2021 MLB Season

[budwom]

I'm having trouble adjusting to the new rules. Article about the Tigers 1-0 win in 11 over Milwaukee began with citing a guy with a leadoff, walkoff double in the 11th. Took me a moment to digest that.
The batter was evidently confused as well, he slid into second after the winning run had already scored.

[Phredd3]

I'm having trouble adjusting to the new rules. Article about the Tigers 1-0 win in 11 over Milwaukee began with citing a guy with a leadoff, walkoff double in the 11th. Took me a moment to digest that.
The batter was evidently confused as well, he slid into second after the winning run had already scored.

Random question: Was the batter actually credited with a double in the official scoring? I thought the scoring rule was that you didn't get credit for the extra base on a game-ending hit unless it was either a) a homer, which is always credited, or b) you were awarded a certain number of bases (usually two) by operation of a ground rule, or c) you actually advanced to the credited base prior to the end of the game (which obviously was over the moment the runner safely touched home). Am I not remembering that third option correctly?

[budwom]

Random question: Was the batter actually credited with a double in the official scoring? I thought the scoring rule was that you didn't get credit for the extra base on a game-ending hit unless it was either a) a homer, which is always credited, or b) you were awarded a certain number of bases (usually two) by operation of a ground rule, or c) you actually advanced to the credited base prior to the end of the game (which obviously was over the moment the runner safely touched home). Am I not remembering that third option correctly?

good question. The box score gave him a double, maybe because the winning run had advanced two bases? I really don't know this new rule...

[jv001]

Game of the year for the Cardinals thus far in my opinion. What a win. Like you said, it had about everything. Yadi and Ponce de Leon got into it in the dugout. A 3U-2-3 inning ending double play with runners on the corners with 1 out from the gold glove winners (Goldschmidt, Yadi, and Arenado) in the bottom of the 10th to send it to the 11th. Tyler O’Neill was 2-5 with 3 RBI and smacked his 26th HR of the season. The Cardinals are now winners of 4 in a row and 75-69 overall with 18 games remaining. They’re also 0.5 games up on the Reds and 1 game up on the Friars (who both lost last night) for the NL’s 2nd wild card spot. The Cardinals go for the sweep tonight at 6:10 pm CT at Citi Field in New York. Jon Lester gets the start for the Redbirds opposite Tylor Megill.

Let’s Go Cardinals!

I didn't know about Ponce and Yadi going at it in the dugout. It looks like from the boxscore, Ponce walked 3 batters to load the bases in 1/3 inning. Ponce de Leon has not impressed me at all. Maybe Yadi was trying to get his attention. However, Kodi Whitley came in and got the next 2 hitters out. Kodi pitched 1 2/3 innings without allowing a run and only gave up a walk. Since he came off IR and he has been great. So has Luis Garcia. Those two have replaced Justin Miller, Fernandez, and Andrew Miller for the most part.

[Phredd3]

good question. The box score gave him a double, maybe because the winning run had advanced two bases? I really don't know this new rule...

I got the rule wrong. It wasn't that hard to look it up.

[W]hen a batter ends a game with a safe hit that drives in as many runs as are necessary to put his team in the lead, the Official Scorer shall credit such batter with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run, and then only if the batter runs out his hit for as many bases as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run. ...

Comment: ...The Official Scorer shall credit the batter with a base touched in the natural course of play, even if the winning run has scored moments before on the same play.

I didn't recall the comment. Since he hustled and slid into second, he gets the double. Lots of players in that situation don't bother to touch second, costing themselves a tiny bit of SLG. Had the runner been on third, he only would have gotten a single, no matter how far he had run.

[CameronDuke]

I didn't know about Ponce and Yadi going at it in the dugout. It looks like from the boxscore, Ponce walked 3 batters to load the bases in 1/3 inning. Ponce de Leon has not impressed me at all. Maybe Yadi was trying to get his attention. However, Kodi Whitley came in and got the next 2 hitters out. Kodi pitched 1 2/3 innings without allowing a run and only gave up a walk. Since he came off IR and he has been great. So has Luis Garcia. Those two have replaced Justin Miller, Fernandez, and Andrew Miller for the most part.

After the game, Manager Mike Shildt said it was like two brothers fighting when asked about what happened between Yadi and Ponce de Leon. He said a mountain didn’t need to be made out of a mole hill. The Cardinals announcers on the Bally Sports Midwest game (Dan McGlaughlin and Jim Edmonds) stated maybe Ponce de Leon had shown Yadi up when taken out of the game by Manager Shildt. It was speculation. I personally felt like when pulled by Manager Shildt, Ponce de Leon didn’t wait until Shildt got all the way to the mound before handing him the ball and walking off. Again, that was only my personal observation. Neither Shildt nor Ponce de Leon were happy. Shildt had to come pull a pitcher that had walked 3 batters in a 2-2 game in a crucial September game with playoff implications on the line. Maybe Yadi was sticking up for Shildt. Yadi got in Ponce de Leon’s face a bit and there was some shouting in the dugout it appeared before a few teammates intervened and escorted Ponce de Leon down the tunnel to the locker room. It wasn’t super bad, but words were definitely exchanged.

Whitley pitched phenomenally. He actually pitched collegiately at Mount Olive College in Mount Olive, North Carolina.

[budwom]

Ponce de Leon is just a really marvelous name. How do they feel about him when he visits the Marlins?

[Blue in the Face]

But then you would also have to move the Giants to the east. Though Ebbets Field was very slightly to the east of the Polo Grounds.

Speaking of the relative geography of NYC baseball stadiums, I've always liked shots that show the Polo Grounds and Yankee Stadium.

[CameronDuke]

The Reds are lined up to face Walker Buehler, Max Scherzer, and Clayton Kershaw this weekend against the Dodgers.

[duke74]

Not sure if this goes in this thread, but just couldn't figure where else to put it.

As a Mets fan from the Polo Grounds days of 1962 (their first year), I am loving the four-part series about the 1986 Mets.

Thank you Bill Buckner.

Reliving great memories...but bittersweet because this team should have won more than one championship. Heavy life and the white power did them in.

LGM...LFGM

PS. My guys are about to be swept by the Cards tonight

[cspan37421]

Reliving great memories...but bittersweet because this team should have won more than one championship. Heavy life and the white power did them in.

Powder? I sure hope that's what was meant. If not, I think I need to watch the series you describe - because then clearly some things escaped my notice!

[duke74]

Powder? I sure hope that's what was meant. If not, I think I need to watch the series you describe - because then clearly some things escaped my notice!

Yikes. Sorry. Too late to edit. POWDER. Ouch

[CameronDuke]

For the first time since 2001, the Cardinals completed a 3 game sweep of the Mets in New York last night. The game was never really that close as the Redbirds put up a 5 spot in the top of the first inning. The final score was 11-4. Jon Lester threw 6 innings, allowing 6 hits, 2 ER, and struck out 7. Harrison Bader was 2-5 and added his 12th HR of the season to go along with 3 RBI. Paul Goldschmidt was 3-5 and hit his 26th HR of the season and Nolan Arenado was 2-4 while hitting his 32nd HR of the season to go along with 99 RBI. Edmundo Sosa was 2-4 and hit his 6th HR of the season. The win was the 5th straight for the Cardinals. They improved to 76-69 and are 1 game up on the Friars and 1.5 games up on the Reds (who lost last night) for the NL’s 2nd wild card spot with 17 games remaining.

The Redbirds are off today then open a huge 3 game series vs the Friars tomorrow at Busch Stadium. Game time is 7:15 pm CT and features Miles Mikolas for the Cardinals, while the Friars haven’t named a starter yet.

Let’s Go Cardinals!

[CameronDuke]

Not sure if this goes in this thread, but just couldn't figure where else to put it.

As a Mets fan from the Polo Grounds days of 1962 (their first year), I am loving the four-part series about the 1986 Mets.

Thank you Bill Buckner.

Reliving great memories...but bittersweet because this team should have won more than one championship. Heavy life and the white power did them in.

LGM...LFGM

PS. My guys are about to be swept by the Cards tonight

It is a great series. I, too, have enjoyed it. That Mets team was sure fun to watch. They definitely should have had more than one World Series championship. Doc Gooden was darn near unhittable at times.

[acdevil]

Friendly reminder for Mets fans:

You should definitely get and read “So Many Ways to Lose” by Duke Alum Devin Gordon. It’s a fantastic read on the Mets history. (And not as depressing as the title would make it sound)

[budwom]

The dimensions at the Polo Grounds were delightfully absurd...it was 279 ft down the left field line, and effectively shorter since the upper deck hung over the fence (making it easier for the cheating, sign stealing Giants to produce Bobby Thomson's historic home run)...and it was 483 feet to center field.

It's interesting how ballparks originally had quirky dimensions...then we entered the dark era of multi purpose stadiums (serving no sport particularly well) with symmetrical designs, places like the Vet, Shea, Three Rivers, etc...then the Orioles (I believe) broke the mold and now we're back to some individuality in stadiums, and a general consensus that football and bezbol should be played in different parks.

[Rogue]

National League
Big series coming up this weekend.

Padres visit the Cardinals . Cards in second Wild Card position, Padres a half game back.

Dodgers at the Reds, Dodgers have lock on the first Wild Position, while the Reds are 1 game out behind the Cards

Phillies at the Mets . Mets chances are shrinking, while the Phillies aren't out of the race for the 2nd Wild Card position

[accfanfrom1970]

Dylan Carlson drives in 6 of 8 with two homers including a grand slam to put the game out of reach. Tyler O’Neill with another homer. Mikolas gets his first win in two years. Cards win the first of the series at home against SD. Go Cards!

[jv001]

Dylan Carlson drives in 6 of 8 with two homers including a grand slam to put the game out of reach. Tyler O’Neill with another homer. Mikolas gets his first win in two years. Cards win the first of the series at home against SD. Go Cards!

Tyler missed about a month if I'm not mistaken with injuries and still has hit 27 home runs. All 3 of the Cardinal outfielders are coming along. Bader with his defense, O'Neill with his bat and defense and Carlson may end up the best of the trio. He hits for power and get's on base. Plus he's a very good fielder as well. I think he and O'Neill are among the leaders in outfield assists.

Tonight the Cardinals send their ace Adam Wainwright o the hill to face the Padres Darvish. If both are on their games, it should be a low scoring game.

GoRedbirds!

[CameronDuke]

Dylan Carlson drives in 6 of 8 with two homers including a grand slam to put the game out of reach. Tyler O’Neill with another homer. Mikolas gets his first win in two years. Cards win the first of the series at home against SD. Go Cards!

6 wins in a row for the Redbirds to get to 77-69 and 1 game up on the Reds, 1.5 games up on the Friars, and 2.5 games up on the Phillies for the NL’s 2nd wild card spot with 16 games remaining. The Reds beat Walker Buehler and the Dodgers last night. They’ll face Max Scherzer tonight, though.

Mikolas pitched well last night, finally. He threw 5.2 shutout innings and allowed 3 hits while walking 2 and striking out 3. If he and Flaherty can be healthy and the Redbirds make the playoffs, it helps the Cardinals chances to make some noise. Dylan Carlson may get some NL Rookie of the Year votes. He’s hitting .259 with 15 HR and 59 RBI. The kid is 22 years old. He’s played in 134 games this year and has 498 ABs, too. He has had a great year and is very durable. He’s been able to stay healthy and hasn’t hit a wall playing this long of a season, yet. He’s going to have a good MLB career it appears. Tyler O’Neill continues to mash. He hit his 27th HR last night. He’s hitting .281 now. Paul Goldschmidt was 2-4 and his now hitting .289 with 89 RBI. The Redbirds are mashing the baseball right now. Adam Wainwright will look to continue his dominant year tonight vs Yu Darvish at 6:15 pm CT as the Redbirds look to take the series. Many Redbirds fans may be scoreboard watching to see how the Dodgers do vs the Reds and the Phillies do vs the Mets. The Mets look like they have packed it in for the season.

Let’s Go Cardinals!