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  1. #301
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronDuke View Post
    Only 1 ACC team will enter the 2021-2022 season on a winning streak.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Well, we were the only ones this year too. Didn't do us much good.
    Huh? Are you saying Duke was the only ACC team entering the 2020-2021 season on a winning streak?

    Winning streaks at the end of the 2019-2020 season

    8 games: UVA
    2 games: Duke, FSU, NCSU, ND
    1 game: Clemson

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    Huh? Are you saying Duke was the only ACC team entering the 2020-2021 season on a winning streak?

    Winning streaks at the end of the 2019-2020 season

    8 games: UVA
    2 games: Duke, FSU, NCSU, ND
    1 game: Clemson
    Apologies.

    We did enter the year on a winning streak, but weren't the only ones.


    Sheesh.

  3. #303
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Apologies.

    We did enter the year on a winning streak, but weren't the only ones.


    Sheesh.
    It's a tough crowd, but you knew that already.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by rsvman View Post
    It's a tough crowd, but you knew that already.
    Indeed. Perhaps this year's win streak will portend well.

    ACC was hot garbage this year.

  5. #305
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    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    After SWEET 16, DAY 1 (*includes play-in games)

    11-1*: Pac-12 (Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, USC)
    8-6: Big XII (Baylor)
    7-4: SEC (Alabama, Arkansas)
    7-8: Big Ten (Michigan)
    4-3: Big East (Creighton)
    4-6: ACC (FSU)
    3-1: American (Houston)
    2-1: WCC (Gonzaga)

    3-2*: MVC
    2-1: Summit
    1-1: Conference USA
    1-1: MAC
    1-1: Southland
    1-1*: MEAC
    1-1*: SWAC
    0-1: American East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, CAA, Horizon, MAAC, NEC*, OVC, Patriot, Southern, Sun Belt*, WAC
    0-2: Atlantic 10, Mountain West

    0-0 Ivy
    After SWEET 16, DAY 2 (*includes play-in games)

    13-2*: Pac-12 (Oregon State, UCLA, USC)
    8-6: Big XII (Baylor)
    8-8*: Big Ten (Michigan)
    7-5: SEC (Arkansas)
    3-1*: American (Houston)
    3-1: WCC (Gonzaga)

    4-4: Big East
    4-7: ACC
    3-2*: MVC
    2-1: Summit
    1-1: Conference USA
    1-1: MAC
    1-1: Southland
    1-1*: MEAC
    1-1*: SWAC
    0-1: American East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, CAA, Horizon, MAAC, NEC*, OVC, Patriot, Southern, Sun Belt*, WAC
    0-2: Atlantic 10, Mountain West

    0-0 Ivy

  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    After SWEET 16, DAY 2 (*includes play-in games)

    13-2*: Pac-12 (Oregon State, UCLA, USC)
    8-6: Big XII (Baylor)
    8-8*: Big Ten (Michigan)
    7-5: SEC (Arkansas)
    3-1*: American (Houston)
    3-1: WCC (Gonzaga)
    An interesting tidbit is that most years one conference ends up with at least three teams in the Elite Eight. In fact, this season is the 7th time that has happened in the last 8 tournaments:

    2021: 3 Pac-12 teams
    2019: didn't happen (2 ACC; 2 SEC; 2 Big 10)
    2018: 3 Big 12 teams (and 2 ACC)
    2017: 3 SEC teams
    2016: 4 ACC teams (and 2 Big 12)
    2015: 3 ACC teams (and 2 Big 10)
    2014: 3 Big 10 teams (and 2 SEC)
    2013: 3 Big East teams (and 2 Big 10)

    I first noticed this trend when it happened every tournament from 1985 to 1989, and it's been fairly common ever since. Just one of those oddities, I guess.

  7. #307
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    Maybe it is partly because I don't really care about any of the teams that are left, but I feel like the altered tournament schedule is sapping my enthusiasm a little bit. I don't feel "up" at all for the Elite 8 today...it's Monday, I've got stuff to do!

  8. #308
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    Maybe it is partly because I don't really care about any of the teams that are left, but I feel like the altered tournament schedule is sapping my enthusiasm a little bit. I don't feel "up" at all for the Elite 8 today...it's Monday, I've got stuff to do!
    I'm with you and Zion.

    GoDuke!

  9. #309
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    New Orleans, Louisiana
    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    After SWEET 16, DAY 2 (*includes play-in games)

    13-2*: Pac-12 (Oregon State, UCLA, USC)
    8-6: Big XII (Baylor)
    8-8*: Big Ten (Michigan)
    7-5: SEC (Arkansas)
    3-1*: American (Houston)
    3-1: WCC (Gonzaga)

    4-4: Big East
    4-7: ACC
    3-2*: MVC
    2-1: Summit
    1-1: Conference USA
    1-1: MAC
    1-1: Southland
    1-1*: MEAC
    1-1*: SWAC
    0-1: American East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, CAA, Horizon, MAAC, NEC*, OVC, Patriot, Southern, Sun Belt*, WAC
    0-2: Atlantic 10, Mountain West

    0-0 Ivy
    After ELITE 8, DAY 1 (*includes play-in games)

    13-3*: Pac-12 (UCLA, USC)
    9-6: Big XII (Baylor)
    8-8*: Big Ten (Michigan)
    4-1*: American (Houston)
    3-1: WCC (Gonzaga)

    7-6: SEC
    4-4: Big East
    4-7: ACC
    3-2*: MVC
    2-1: Summit
    1-1: Conference USA
    1-1: MAC
    1-1: Southland
    1-1*: MEAC
    1-1*: SWAC
    0-1: American East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, CAA, Horizon, MAAC, NEC*, OVC, Patriot, Southern, Sun Belt*, WAC
    0-2: Atlantic 10, Mountain West

    0-0 Ivy

  10. #310
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    Maybe it is partly because I don't really care about any of the teams that are left, but I feel like the altered tournament schedule is sapping my enthusiasm a little bit. I don't feel "up" at all for the Elite 8 today...it's Monday, I've got stuff to do!
    I'm an ACC guy, but this year's tourney clearly favors the western teams. I don't buy into the idea that the West is now the best, something that's going around sportsyak right now. Single elimination tourneys often yield unpredictable results, and this year's tourney-during-COVID is no different. But putting my Duke allegiance aside, I actually find it refreshing that the traditional (east coast) powers are nowhere to be seen. I hope Gonzaga finally gets through, but a potential UCLA-USC FF game is very intriguing. Also given Kelvin Sampson's cheating history, Houston is the villain for me. And finally, a Baylor-Gonzaga final could be a high flyer. But East Coast Bias seems bored. If it makes itself feel better, it should go pick Georgetown to win the Big East next year. I'm so sure that will happen

    9F
    Bucket List - Throw a party when Duke MBB has a winning record against Carolina.

  11. #311
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    Maybe it is partly because I don't really care about any of the teams that are left, but I feel like the altered tournament schedule is sapping my enthusiasm a little bit. I don't feel "up" at all for the Elite 8 today...it's Monday, I've got stuff to do!
    I think a big part of it was the teams who were playing today. Oregon State vs Houston and Arkansas vs Baylor doesn’t exactly get the pulse racing.

    I would not even have considered turning in to watch either of those games during the regular season. I don’t see why it should be that dramatic of a difference just because they’re meeting in the NCAA tournament.

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    After ELITE 8, DAY 1 (*includes play-in games)

    13-3*: Pac-12 (UCLA, USC)
    9-6: Big XII (Baylor)
    8-8*: Big Ten (Michigan)
    4-1*: American (Houston)
    3-1: WCC (Gonzaga)

    7-6: SEC
    4-4: Big East
    4-7: ACC
    3-2*: MVC
    2-1: Summit
    1-1: Conference USA
    1-1: MAC
    1-1: Southland
    1-1*: MEAC
    1-1*: SWAC
    0-1: American East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, CAA, Horizon, MAAC, NEC*, OVC, Patriot, Southern, Sun Belt*, WAC
    0-2: Atlantic 10, Mountain West

    0-0 Ivy
    So, ACC has far and away the worst conference record of any conference with more than one team.

    A "down year" doesn't begin to describe it. I hope we bounce back and make other conferences tremble next year. We've been at or near the top for literally my entire life.

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    So, ACC has far and away the worst conference record of any conference with more than one team.

    A "down year" doesn't begin to describe it. I hope we bounce back and make other conferences tremble next year. We've been at or near the top for literally my entire life.
    I would have to imagine the Big Ten performed worse relative to seeds. You can't really expect a conference with a bunch of 11 seeds to get the same record as a conference with 1 seeds... would have to look at "expected wins" by seeds. Of course, the ACC being down is WHY the teams got worse seeds, but that set teams up for harder draws and lower expectations. So yeah, I agree the ACC was down but think the conference probably performed about in line with expectations given seeds. Maybe slightly worse, but not an abberation like the big ten although their record is inflated by one team still in it.

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluedog View Post
    I would have to imagine the Big Ten performed worse relative to seeds. You can't really expect a conference with a bunch of 11 seeds to get the same record as a conference with 1 seeds... would have to look at "expected wins" by seeds. Of course, the ACC being down is WHY the teams got worse seeds, but that set teams up for harder draws and lower expectations. So yeah, I agree the ACC was down but think the conference probably performed about in line with expectations given seeds. Maybe slightly worse, but not an abberation like the big ten although their record is inflated by one team still in it.
    You make it sound as though the Big Ten profile is somehow artificially inflated by having a team alive.

    Sure, you could argue that the Big Ten was nearly as disappointing as the ACC if you wanted to. But I'm not a Big Ten fan. So I don't care. On one level, I'm bummed our fellow ACC brethren couldn't carry the torch when we had a really bad year as a team. On another level, I can't quite rationalize how our team managed a tenth place finish among such a bad group of teams.

    Mostly, I want "order restored" next season.

  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by kako View Post
    I'm an ACC guy, but this year's tourney clearly favors the western teams. I don't buy into the idea that the West is now the best, something that's going around sportsyak right now. Single elimination tourneys often yield unpredictable results, and this year's tourney-during-COVID is no different. But putting my Duke allegiance aside, I actually find it refreshing that the traditional (east coast) powers are nowhere to be seen. I hope Gonzaga finally gets through, but a potential UCLA-USC FF game is very intriguing. Also given Kelvin Sampson's cheating history, Houston is the villain for me. And finally, a Baylor-Gonzaga final could be a high flyer. But East Coast Bias seems bored. If it makes itself feel better, it should go pick Georgetown to win the Big East next year. I'm so sure that will happen

    9F
    A USC UCLA showdown in the Final Four would make DOZENS of people in LA go crazy.

  16. #316
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    Quote Originally Posted by cato View Post
    A USC UCLA showdown in the Final Four would make DOZENS of people in LA go crazy.
    Tough to make the fashionably late entrance in Indy, though.

  17. #317
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    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    After ELITE 8, DAY 1 (*includes play-in games)

    13-3*: Pac-12 (UCLA, USC)
    9-6: Big XII (Baylor)
    8-8*: Big Ten (Michigan)
    4-1*: American (Houston)
    3-1: WCC (Gonzaga)

    7-6: SEC
    4-4: Big East
    4-7: ACC
    3-2*: MVC
    2-1: Summit
    1-1: Conference USA
    1-1: MAC
    1-1: Southland
    1-1*: MEAC
    1-1*: SWAC
    0-1: American East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, CAA, Horizon, MAAC, NEC*, OVC, Patriot, Southern, Sun Belt*, WAC
    0-2: Atlantic 10, Mountain West

    0-0 Ivy
    After ELITE 8, DAY 2 (*includes play-in games)

    14-4*: Pac-12 (UCLA)
    9-6: Big XII (Baylor)
    4-1*: American (Houston)
    4-1: WCC (Gonzaga)

    8-9*: Big Ten
    7-6: SEC
    4-4: Big East
    4-7: ACC
    3-2*: MVC
    2-1: Summit
    1-1: Conference USA
    1-1: MAC
    1-1: Southland
    1-1*: MEAC
    1-1*: SWAC
    0-1: American East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, CAA, Horizon, MAAC, NEC*, OVC, Patriot, Southern, Sun Belt*, WAC
    0-2: Atlantic 10, Mountain West

    0-0 Ivy

  18. #318
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    Mar 2008
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    New Orleans, Louisiana
    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    After ELITE 8, DAY 2 (*includes play-in games)

    14-4*: Pac-12 (UCLA)
    9-6: Big XII (Baylor)
    4-1*: American (Houston)
    4-1: WCC (Gonzaga)

    8-9*: Big Ten
    7-6: SEC
    4-4: Big East
    4-7: ACC
    3-2*: MVC
    2-1: Summit
    1-1: Conference USA
    1-1: MAC
    1-1: Southland
    1-1*: MEAC
    1-1*: SWAC
    0-1: American East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, CAA, Horizon, MAAC, NEC*, OVC, Patriot, Southern, Sun Belt*, WAC
    0-2: Atlantic 10, Mountain West

    0-0 Ivy
    After FINAL FOUR semifinals (*includes play-in games)

    10-6: Big XII (Baylor)
    5-1: WCC (Gonzaga)

    14-5*: Pac-12
    8-9*: Big Ten
    7-6: SEC 4-2*: American
    4-4: Big East
    4-7: ACC
    3-2*: MVC
    2-1: Summit
    1-1: Conference USA
    1-1: MAC
    1-1: Southland
    1-1*: MEAC
    1-1*: SWAC
    0-1: American East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, CAA, Horizon, MAAC, NEC*, OVC, Patriot, Southern, Sun Belt*, WAC
    0-2: Atlantic 10, Mountain West

    0-0 Ivy

    Tough way for the Pac-12 to go out tonight, but what a difference from 3 years ago. The 2018 NCAA Tournament had only three Pac-12 teams. Arizona State and UCLA lost their First Four games, and 4-seed Arizona lost to Buffalo on Day 1 of the first round.

    ESPN: The fast and unprecedented fall of the Pac-12

    Since the Big 12 was created in 1996-97, no league among the six major conferences (Power 5 and the Big East) had failed to send a team to the second round until Thursday when the Pac-12 became the first, according to ESPN Stats & Information research.
    All hope is not lost, ACC.

  19. #319
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    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    After FINAL FOUR semifinals (*includes play-in games)

    10-6: Big XII (Baylor)
    5-1: WCC (Gonzaga)

    14-5*: Pac-12
    8-9*: Big Ten
    7-6: SEC 4-2*: American
    4-4: Big East
    4-7: ACC
    3-2*: MVC
    2-1: Summit
    1-1: Conference USA
    1-1: MAC
    1-1: Southland
    1-1*: MEAC
    1-1*: SWAC
    0-1: American East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, CAA, Horizon, MAAC, NEC*, OVC, Patriot, Southern, Sun Belt*, WAC
    0-2: Atlantic 10, Mountain West

    0-0 Ivy
    Final conference records after NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP (*includes play-in games)

    11-6: Big XII (Baylor)

    14-5*: Pac-12
    8-9*: Big Ten
    7-6: SEC
    5-2: WCC
    4-2*: American
    4-4: Big East
    4-7: ACC
    3-2*: MVC
    2-1: Summit
    1-1: Conference USA
    1-1: MAC
    1-1: Southland
    1-1*: MEAC
    1-1*: SWAC
    0-1: American East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, CAA, Horizon, MAAC, NEC*, OVC, Patriot, Southern, Sun Belt*, WAC
    0-2: Atlantic 10, Mountain West

    0-0 Ivy

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