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    Looking Towards Next Season

    What will the 2021-2022 season look like? For me, there's two facets:

    1) The team. In a perfect world, Hurt and Williams come back and we start the season Preseason Top 5 (if not #1). Williams continues to improve and we see several games similar to the one he put up against Louisville (he was almost unstoppable). Banchero and Griffin step in and contribute right away. Our lineup of Steward, Hurt, Williams, Banchero and Griffin (with a bench of Moore, Roach, Baker and Brakefield) is insanely athletic, with size and quickness everywhere. Oh and we get Keels for good measure, or Baldwin. Or both.

    Worst case? Hurt and Williams both go pro. Neither are drafted in the 1st round (which means it was a mistake). We don't get either Keels or Baldwin. Our lineup of Steward, Moore, Roach, Banchero and Griffin is fine, but has no real size and no depth.

    2) The atmosphere. Perfect world is all the games have full fans in attendance and Cameron becomes Cameron again. Everyone has the vaccine and booster, and Covid cases are basically in the hundreds daily, across the entire country.

    Worst case - Covid is still around, Cameron is 25% capacity (or less) and we have games cancelled and shut down periodically, as we did this year.

    Here's hoping for best cases, in both. I would honestly take it for just one. But REALLY hoping for neither worst case.

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    Most likely case: Hurt goes, Williams stays. Goldwire and Tapé depart. We don't get Keels or Baldwin but Coach K pulls in a grad-transfer or a developmental guard for depth.

    Lineup of Williams, Banchero, Griffin, Steward, Roach is one of the best in the country. Wendell Moore is a candidate for 6th-man of the year. DBR spends the entire season lamenting that we don't have a "true" PG and that Coach K doesn't recruit enough shooters anymore. After every single loss, half of DBR says how much they hate OAD. We get a #1 or #2 seed in the NCAA tournament. Nike prints up a boatload of "Order is Restored... Again" tee-shirts that may or may not end up getting sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    Most likely case: Hurt goes, Williams stays. Goldwire and Tapé depart. We don't get Keels or Baldwin but Coach K pulls in a grad-transfer or a developmental guard for depth.

    Lineup of Williams, Banchero, Griffin, Steward, Roach is one of the best in the country. Wendell Moore is a candidate for 6th-man of the year. DBR spends the entire season lamenting that we don't have a "true" PG and that Coach K doesn't recruit enough shooters anymore. After every single loss, half of DBR says how much they hate OAD. We get a #1 or #2 seed in the NCAA tournament. Nike prints up a boatload of "Order is Restored... Again" tee-shirts that may or may not end up getting sold.
    Must spread some of those darn sporks. Nail-Hammer on your post. Especially the DBR posts comment. However you left out the "it's over" post after the first loss in the ACC 12th game of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    Most likely case: Hurt goes, Williams stays. Goldwire and Tapé depart. We don't get Keels or Baldwin but Coach K pulls in a grad-transfer or a developmental guard for depth.

    Lineup of Williams, Banchero, Griffin, Steward, Roach is one of the best in the country. Wendell Moore is a candidate for 6th-man of the year. DBR spends the entire season lamenting that we don't have a "true" PG and that Coach K doesn't recruit enough shooters anymore. After every single loss, half of DBR says how much they hate OAD. We get a #1 or #2 seed in the NCAA tournament. Nike prints up a boatload of "Order is Restored... Again" tee-shirts that may or may not end up getting sold.
    why so sure on goldwire? the one insta post? I can imagine the lack of an ending changing things for some of these guys. I'm not in any of their heads, but imagine the set of humans for whom the way this season ended could be enough to sway or reverse a go vs stay decision.

    I'll at least wait to see what they announce, and of course would love for all of them to return.
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    Agree with the likely case here. Hurt and JGold are likely gone, but a team of Williams, Roach, DJ, Banchero, Griffin, Moore, Baker, Coleman, and JBrake has the feel of a top 10 team, possibly top 5. Add a guard or two - preferably with experience - to the rotation would certainly help. If Hurt returns, then look out. I believe he'll at least test the waters, but I also hope a desire to play postseason ball for Duke and in front of Crazies could entice him to come back. Here's hoping anyway...in any case, Hurt blossomed this year and his growth as a player was really great to see.

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    If Hurt comes back, one of Williams and Banchero is not starting.

    I don't think we need Hurt to be top 5 imo.

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    There's already a thread called "Next Season," on page 1 even.

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    I know that Mark has been incredible, but do people really think there's even a chance he goes pro? 5 years ago, maybe. In today's game, he's still got a lot to show at the college level.

    That being said, THANK GOODNESS IT ISN'T 5 YEARS AGO AND HE'S ALMOST CERTAINLY BACK. I can't wait to see what he develops in to

    I agree with the general sentiment on the board that we should expect Matt to leave and be pleasantly surprised if he returns. Probably same with JG. But what's exciting is that our incoming studs fill the hole that Matt will leave quite nicely, and even better should compliment an emerging Mark a the 5 quite well. No one will expect Banchero to be the shooter Matt is, but from all accounts he has a good enough shot to be a legit stretch 4. And his athleticism will be an improvement over Matt.

    Meanwhile, assuming all return as expected, we'll actually have a veteran (relative to the OAD era, of course) backcourt. Jeremy and DJ have their flaws, but they also will certainly improve from year 1 to 2. Wendell may have turned the ball over more than we'd like the past two games, but he showed he can run the point effectively. I think it was no accident that K made him bringing the ball up a point of emphasis... he wanted Wendell to get experience doing that, as he'll likely get significant minutes spelling Jeremy at the point.

    We should have a top 6 of Jeremy, DJ, Wendell, Griffin, Banchero, and Williams. In all likelihood, either Wendell, a former 5* junior, or Griffin, a potential OAD caliber talent, will be our sixth man. When's the last time we had that luxury? Oh, and our 7th-9th men (a sophomore Jaemyn and Henry, plus a senior Joey) will arguably be able to contribute more than our deep bench has in the recent past.

    I am bullish on next year's team, even if we lose Matt and JG. Heck, even if we have one unexpected loss I'll still be bullish. We're going to get a full year of Mark Williams, a dominant presence in the paint the likes of which we arguably haven't seen in years (yes, I think while he isn't as offensively refined, he'll be a better defender and rebounder than guys like Vernon and Jahlil), and get to pair that with a lottery caliber talent at the 4 in Banchero. That will SCARE teams.

    More than anything, though, I love how this core fought throughout the year, especially when things got tough. They could've packed it in after the humiliating UNC loss. Instead they came out and played their best basketball in the ACCT and beat a team that they had previously lost to twice. Our team should be hungry and together.

    And BTW, it is not a guarantee that Matt leaves. I'd argue, based on what I've seen, that he isn't even guaranteed to get drafted in the second round since he doesn't project to any particular position in the modern NBA. And he could always decide that he wants to freaking play in the Big Dance before he leaves Durham. If he comes back? Wow.

    If this is too optimistic, I apologize. We need some darn positivity after today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    I know that Mark has been incredible, but do people really think there's even a chance he goes pro? 5 years ago, maybe. In today's game, he's still got a lot to show at the college level.
    Are you suggesting that marginal NBA prospects are less​ likely to go pro than in the past? The opposite is true. Maybe tonight I'll dig through DBR and post the analysis on early entry I did last year and the year before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    Are you suggesting that marginal NBA prospects are less​ likely to go pro than in the past? The opposite is true. Maybe tonight I'll dig through DBR and post the analysis on early entry I did last year and the year before.
    Not quite, although I can see how it was interpreted that way... I don't think he even is a marginal NBA prospect, yet. If Vern's dominance for a full year got him into the second round, do we really think an NBA team is going to invest draft capital into a traditional center based on a few weeks of dominance? It's in no way reflective of Mark's abilities and potential, but more of what the NBA is looking for.

    Put another way: I haven't seen Hunter Dickinson mentioned ANYWHERE on draft boards despite him playing at the level Mark has played at recently for almost the entire season. Obviously Mark is more of a physical specimen with his length and ability to run, but Hunter is himself 7-foot-1, and has significant strength over Mark. If Hunter isn't on draft boards, I don't see how Mark would be either.

    Again, though, that's all about the modern NBA and not Mark. I have no doubt Mark will be an NBA draftee. But to get drafted as a "traditional" center, you need to show a lot more than you used to, with Vernon being the prime example. I don't think Mark is at that point. And honestly, I hope I'm right, because if he leaves it'll be JRob all over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    Well, here goes (for some reason when I pasted it this time it just pasted it as a table automatically...not sure what I did different). Nothing earth-shattering, but just an interesting look at the trends (in the OAD era). These numbers are for all early entrants (not just OAD guys).

    2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 Overall
    Number Declared 37 32 39 38 51 42 48 45 43 47 58 63 76 94 619
    Number Drafted 24 27 29 26 35 28 30 28 29 30 30 37 41 ??? 394
    Number Undrafted 13 5 10 12 16 14 18 17 14 17 28 26 35 ??? 225
    % Undrafted 35.14% 15.63% 25.64% 31.58% 31.37% 33.33% 37.50% 37.78% 32.56% 36.17% 48.28% 41.27% 46.05% ??? 36.35%
    % Of Spots Used 40.00% 45.00% 48.33% 43.33% 58.33% 46.67% 50.00% 46.67% 48.33% 50.00% 50.00% 61.67% 68.33% ??? 50.51%
    5 years ago, way fewer players were declaring for the draft than now (and I suspect COVID will result in more early entrants, not less, although it's just an educated guess and we'll find out for sure before too long).

    Edit: I see you posted a response, but I'll leave this up anyway. I think Williams has shown more than Vernon did at basically any point in his career (with perhaps less consistency).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    5 years ago, way fewer players were declaring for the draft than now (and I suspect COVID will result in more early entrants, not less, although it's just an educated guess and we'll find out for sure before too long).

    Edit: I see you posted a response, but I'll leave this up anyway. I think Williams has shown more than Vernon did at basically any point in his career (with perhaps less consistency).
    That's a distinct possibility... it'll certainly be interesting to see. It is worth remembering that Williams is relatively young (he turned 19 in December), so that likely won't factor into his decision the way it did for Cassius last year. I remain very optimistic that Williams will be back and a dominant force in Year 2. But I've been hurt before, and will be again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    Most likely case: Hurt goes, Williams stays. Goldwire and Tapé depart. We don't get Keels or Baldwin but Coach K pulls in a grad-transfer or a developmental guard for depth.

    Lineup of Williams, Banchero, Griffin, Steward, Roach is one of the best in the country. Wendell Moore is a candidate for 6th-man of the year. DBR spends the entire season lamenting that we don't have a "true" PG and that Coach K doesn't recruit enough shooters anymore. After every single loss, half of DBR says how much they hate OAD. We get a #1 or #2 seed in the NCAA tournament. Nike prints up a boatload of "Order is Restored... Again" tee-shirts that may or may not end up getting sold.
    If Roach is starting over Moore, I am guessing that he is showing true PG tendencies though.
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    Summary of the end of the season numbers

    Well, as you all know, the season ended earlier than expected. Just as the team was showing new life with a new defensive approach and offensive strategy, the wheels came off on the season thanks to COVID. Hopefully this is the last time we have our season affected by COVID. Having said, that I wanted to do a summary "state of the union" assessment, looking at the last 9 games. Why 9? Because the NC State game was the first in which Williams established himself as the first option at center and we essentially moved on from Jalen Johnson.

    Over that 9 game stretch, we went 6-3, and played the equivalent of a top-10 team. And honestly, that 6-3 could easily have been 5-4 or 8-1, as we won by 1 over UVa and went to OT in 2 of the 3 losses. This team was a second-weekend-NCAA caliber team and Final Four threat. Unfortunately, it took them too long to get there (and of course COVID made it moot anyway). Had we gone 4-4 in games decided by 5 or fewer points instead of 2-6, we're 15-9 right now and probably in the field before COVID ended our season. But alas, that's moot. What's important is that the team showed clear development in this period. No, it wasn't perfect, nor consistent. But in aggregate, we were a VERY good team over the last 9 games: easily a top-10 offense, and a passable defense (top-60).

    As for the players, here are their numbers:

    Mark Williams: 24.6 mpg, 13.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.9 bpg, 1.2 spg, 71.2 fg%, 56.3 ft%. As mentioned, Williams first took the reins in the NC State game. He had one more minimal role appearance against UVa, and from then on he played the second most frontcourt minutes on the team. And what a finish to the season he had. Obviously, the 23 and 19 against Louisville was amazing, and his rebounding numbers were all over the map prior to that. But there is no doubt the team realigned to better utilize his skills, and he deserves a ton of credit for getting himself ready to take advantage of those skills. I'm really excited about his prospects next season... so long as the Louisville game wasn't a sufficient audition to go to the NBA. If he's back, I'd expect a pretty big year for Williams.

    Matthew Hurt: 32.9 mpg, 19.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 60.4 fg% (68.4 2pt%), 51.0 3pt%, 75.0 ft%. Hurt was a star for us this year. He is a shooting savant, hitting long 2s, midrange 2s, and 3s and an absurd percentage. Defense is a struggle and rebounding isn't a strength, but man can he shoot. It's crazy that there is a very real chance he won't play in an NCAA tournament game. But with the emergence of Williams and the incoming Banchero, he might well decide that his NBA stock will never be higher than it is right now. I don't expect him to return, and I'm very impressed by his emergence this year.

    Wendell Moore: 31.0 mpg, 9.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, 2.6 topg, 1.8 spg, 42.1 fg% (50.0 2pt%), 28.6 3pt%, 86.7 ft%. Moore played everywhere from pseudo PG to pseudo PF, and he had some terrific games in this stretch. He's still working to figure out what he can do consistently well. He does a little of everything, but hasn't quite put it together. Hopefully a more normal summer/offseason will allow him to really work on his ballhandling and decisionmaking. I wouldn't ever expect him to be a pass-first playmaker, but if he can get stronger off the dribble he can be a real asset with his FT shooting.

    DJ Steward: 31.1 mpg, 12.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.7 topg, 1.0 spg, 41.3 fg% (50.0 2pt%), 32.0 3pt%, 73.7 ft%. Steward had a terrific freshman year, but finding more consistency with his 3pt shot will go a long way towards making his sophomore year a huge success. I think he's going to have a terrific year next year, especially if Griffin and Banchero are as good as advertised (and I think they will be). Looking forward to seeing him on an All-ACC team next year.

    Jeremy Roach: 26.4 mpg, 7.0 ppg, 2.8 apg, 2.1 rpg, 1.7 topg, 45.1 fg% (52.4 2pt%), 40.0 3pt%, 62.5 ft%. Roach had a rough year, and his last-9 was roughly in line with that. He shot the 3 better later in the season, but never really found his rhythm. That said, his play over the last 3 games was promising, as he had 27 points, 9 assists, and just 1 turnover in that span. Hopefully a regular offseason and the sophomore jump works for him having a good sophomore year.

    Jordan Goldwire: 26.9 mpg, 4.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1.9 spg, 1.4 topg, 31.8 fg% (28.6 2pt%), 34.8 3pt%, 60.0 ft%. Goldwire improved dramatically over his 4 years, and was a very usable defensive specialist and caretaker at guard. He did start to find a chemistry with Williams late in the year, especially against Ga Tech. I would love for him to return next year to fill out our rotation, but if this was it for him he at least got to go out with a win.

    Jaemyn Brakefield: 12.9 mpg, 3.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 38.9 fg% (50.0 2pt%), 21.4 3pt%, 33.3 ft%. Not a great end to the season for him. He was a mercurial player in high school, and it appears that hasn't changed in college. At times he can look quite good, at other times he looks lost. His role next year would appear the same as this: competing with Coleman for backup PF minutes and potentially getting usurped by a smallball type lineup. Hopefully he is more ready to regularly contribute next year.

    Joey Baker: 10.6 mpg, 3.4 ppg, 35.0 3pt%. Baker returned to being a catch-and-shoot specialist. Next year's team may offer him more opportunity to fill that role, as we won't likely have Hurt and our other 4 defenders are thus likely to be better suited to fit him in. Still, it's probably a 10-15 mpg type role at best for him.

    Henry Coleman: 6.3 mpg, 1.1 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.6 bpg, 41.7 fg%, 0.0 ft%. Coleman was a high-energy guy who was light on polish. Hopefully a year in the system will do him good. But as with Baker and Brakefield, he'll likely be competing for limited minutes next year unless something unexpected happens.

    Patrick Tapé: didn't play enough to have a meaningful stat line. I'm thankful he came and helped as best he could. It just didn't work out for him. Maybe he takes advantage of the extra year to get to experience Cameron for real, but I doubt he would see much game action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Well, as you all know, the season ended earlier than expected. Just as the team was showing new life with a new defensive approach and offensive strategy, the wheels came off on the season thanks to COVID. Hopefully this is the last time we have our season affected by COVID. Having said, that I wanted to do a summary "state of the union" assessment, looking at the last 9 games. Why 9? Because the NC State game was the first in which Williams established himself as the first option at center and we essentially moved on from Jalen Johnson.

    Over that 9 game stretch, we went 6-3, and played the equivalent of a top-10 team. And honestly, that 6-3 could easily have been 5-4 or 8-1, as we won by 1 over UVa and went to OT in 2 of the 3 losses. This team was a second-weekend-NCAA caliber team and Final Four threat. Unfortunately, it took them too long to get there (and of course COVID made it moot anyway). Had we gone 4-4 in games decided by 5 or fewer points instead of 2-6, we're 15-9 right now and probably in the field before COVID ended our season. But alas, that's moot. What's important is that the team showed clear development in this period. No, it wasn't perfect, nor consistent. But in aggregate, we were a VERY good team over the last 9 games: easily a top-10 offense, and a passable defense (top-60).

    As for the players, here are their numbers:

    Mark Williams: 24.6 mpg, 13.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.9 bpg, 1.2 spg, 71.2 fg%, 56.3 ft%. As mentioned, Williams first took the reins in the NC State game. He had one more minimal role appearance against UVa, and from then on he played the second most frontcourt minutes on the team. And what a finish to the season he had. Obviously, the 23 and 19 against Louisville was amazing, and his rebounding numbers were all over the map prior to that. But there is no doubt the team realigned to better utilize his skills, and he deserves a ton of credit for getting himself ready to take advantage of those skills. I'm really excited about his prospects next season... so long as the Louisville game wasn't a sufficient audition to go to the NBA. If he's back, I'd expect a pretty big year for Williams.

    Matthew Hurt: 32.9 mpg, 19.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 60.4 fg% (68.4 2pt%), 51.0 3pt%, 75.0 ft%. Hurt was a star for us this year. He is a shooting savant, hitting long 2s, midrange 2s, and 3s and an absurd percentage. Defense is a struggle and rebounding isn't a strength, but man can he shoot. It's crazy that there is a very real chance he won't play in an NCAA tournament game. But with the emergence of Williams and the incoming Banchero, he might well decide that his NBA stock will never be higher than it is right now. I don't expect him to return, and I'm very impressed by his emergence this year.

    Wendell Moore: 31.0 mpg, 9.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, 2.6 topg, 1.8 spg, 42.1 fg% (50.0 2pt%), 28.6 3pt%, 86.7 ft%. Moore played everywhere from pseudo PG to pseudo PF, and he had some terrific games in this stretch. He's still working to figure out what he can do consistently well. He does a little of everything, but hasn't quite put it together. Hopefully a more normal summer/offseason will allow him to really work on his ballhandling and decisionmaking. I wouldn't ever expect him to be a pass-first playmaker, but if he can get stronger off the dribble he can be a real asset with his FT shooting.

    DJ Steward: 31.1 mpg, 12.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.7 topg, 1.0 spg, 41.3 fg% (50.0 2pt%), 32.0 3pt%, 73.7 ft%. Steward had a terrific freshman year, but finding more consistency with his 3pt shot will go a long way towards making his sophomore year a huge success. I think he's going to have a terrific year next year, especially if Griffin and Banchero are as good as advertised (and I think they will be). Looking forward to seeing him on an All-ACC team next year.

    Jeremy Roach: 26.4 mpg, 7.0 ppg, 2.8 apg, 2.1 rpg, 1.7 topg, 45.1 fg% (52.4 2pt%), 40.0 3pt%, 62.5 ft%. Roach had a rough year, and his last-9 was roughly in line with that. He shot the 3 better later in the season, but never really found his rhythm. That said, his play over the last 3 games was promising, as he had 27 points, 9 assists, and just 1 turnover in that span. Hopefully a regular offseason and the sophomore jump works for him having a good sophomore year.

    Jordan Goldwire: 26.9 mpg, 4.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1.9 spg, 1.4 topg, 31.8 fg% (28.6 2pt%), 34.8 3pt%, 60.0 ft%. Goldwire improved dramatically over his 4 years, and was a very usable defensive specialist and caretaker at guard. He did start to find a chemistry with Williams late in the year, especially against Ga Tech. I would love for him to return next year to fill out our rotation, but if this was it for him he at least got to go out with a win.

    Jaemyn Brakefield: 12.9 mpg, 3.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 38.9 fg% (50.0 2pt%), 21.4 3pt%, 33.3 ft%. Not a great end to the season for him. He was a mercurial player in high school, and it appears that hasn't changed in college. At times he can look quite good, at other times he looks lost. His role next year would appear the same as this: competing with Coleman for backup PF minutes and potentially getting usurped by a smallball type lineup. Hopefully he is more ready to regularly contribute next year.

    Joey Baker: 10.6 mpg, 3.4 ppg, 35.0 3pt%. Baker returned to being a catch-and-shoot specialist. Next year's team may offer him more opportunity to fill that role, as we won't likely have Hurt and our other 4 defenders are thus likely to be better suited to fit him in. Still, it's probably a 10-15 mpg type role at best for him.

    Henry Coleman: 6.3 mpg, 1.1 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.6 bpg, 41.7 fg%, 0.0 ft%. Coleman was a high-energy guy who was light on polish. Hopefully a year in the system will do him good. But as with Baker and Brakefield, he'll likely be competing for limited minutes next year unless something unexpected happens.

    Patrick Tape: didn't play enough to have a meaningful stat line. I'm thankful he came and helped as best he could. It just didn't work out for him. Maybe he takes advantage of the extra year to get to experience Cameron for real, but I doubt he would see much game action.
    As always I love these analyses. I do want to mention one thing for our consideration. If Duke had played the 3 "easy" non-conference games that were cancelled and been 16-11 is that a record that would have gotten them in the tournament? If yes then it shows the importance of early season "easy" games. Back to the assessment of the players which is more important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Having said, that I wanted to do a summary "state of the union" assessment, looking at the last 9 games. Why 9? Because the NC State game was the first in which Williams established himself as the first option at center and we essentially moved on from Jalen Johnson.
    Wow, so if you cull the data by arbitrarily drawing a line right when the team started playing better, the numbers look better than they did before that. Who knew?

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    Time to start talking about how excited we are for football?

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    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    Wow, so if you cull the data by arbitrarily drawing a line right when the team started playing better, the numbers look better than they did before that. Who knew?
    Thanks for your contribution.

    There was nothing arbitrary about it, as specifically stated. Prior to the NC State game, we were still very reliant on Jalen Johnson. The NC State game was when the team took on a new identity. Hence, different team.
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    I Think Hurt, Goldwire, Tape, and maybe one transfer will depart from the team. I think Hurt is ready to go and would likely not get as many touches next year with Banchero and Griffin arriving, the emergence of Williams and the expected improvement of Steward. That is a lot of offensive fire power and only one ball.

    I'm not as down as a lot of people on Roach. 2.8 assists to 2.0 turnovers per game for a freshman with an abbreviated pre-season doesn't smell that bad to me. I could easily see him doubling his assists next year and halving his turnovers with the amount of offense of firepower coming in. Especially if Williams comes back, the penetration and lob with Williams was already a hard to defend play and I feel that was developing before our eyes. His 45% from 2 and 31% from 3 IMO bode well for next year, accounting for a little bump up in percentages as he gets stronger this off-season.
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    Great work CDu

    Thanks for that rundown of the 2021 season, the second season in a row we didn't play in a full ACC tournament and not a single game in the National Tournament. Next year, with sophomores in the mix, and at least two HS AA's, we have a chance to be elite. Guard position could still be a weakness. Go Duke!

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