I was thinking about that last night. It's not just the turnover but the quality of the turnover. A bad pass in the key under the bucket doesn't lead to a run out and dunk because it occurs in front of the defense. A blown pass at the top of the key to a player already moving toward the bucket occurs behind the defense. The former has a hope of the team slowing the ball and getting into good defensive position. The latter doesn't - or, worse, leads to a +1 play. Also in play are how clean the transition is (is there a fight for a loose ball, etc.) and does a stoppage in play allow for a full defensive reset (as you mentioned above.)
Had more opportunities this year than I'd like to ponder such things.
I has happy with the opportunity we got at the end of regulation. Goldwire didn't have the look of a guy who was about to draw a foul in the lane with a couple seconds left. Brakefield's shot just didn't drop.
the 2011 uconn team never sank as low as this duke team. Their worst loss was #41 johnnies. This duke team has SEVEN losses worse than 2011 uconn's worst.
That said, that big east was better at the top than this ACC. Uconn beat #31, #3, #13 and #14 in consecutive days (after a warmup win on day 1). No doubt duke's road is tough, but it's not as rough as that, which is fortunate, as duke is not as good.
1200. DDMF.
Bwahahahaha.
There's also quite a bit of survivorship bias, that manifests as
Team who won it all in [year] does X, why aren't we doing that?
IDK, are we having the discussion at all if one or two more shots fall against Michigan State or Kansas? Whoever wins a six round single elimination meat grinder is going to have some characteristic that's different from the other seven teams in the last eight. Doesn't necessarily mean others need to adopt whatever that was.
No disagreement. With young players who haven't internalized the 'next play' mindset, a boneheaded play is often worse than a bad play or great defensive play. At least with the latter two, you were trying to actively accomplish something positive. Dribbling the ball off your foot? In front of everyone? Embarrassing. And that gets into their heads. I think that's part of the problem right now with Steward and Roach. They'll get over it - eventually.
+1. I thought the play ran fine. JGold got the ball up the court quickly and found an open man. Brake had the look, it just didn't go in. Moore was better with the ball yesterday. But there have been times in late game situations that he also fails to make the right play. Would've could've should've... Duke had a look to win the game. If the shot had gone in, obviously the entire tenor of this string would be completely different.
9F
I will never talk about That Game. GTHC.
I'm not a 20-year-old kid, but if you're coming off a good season and you're hoping to get drafted in the 2nd round but on your college team suddenly find yourself behind two lottery picks at your position (e.g. AJ Griffin and Patrick Baldwin), I don't think the two ideas you've brought up are necessarily inconsistent.
If K just forbid anyone from making a spin move until their junior year, I'd be happy.
This is nonsense. Would UNC have had some characteristic different from the other teams if Kris Jenkins' buzzer beater had rimmed out in 2016?
Would Auburn or Texas Tech have had some characteristic different from other teams if the refs had called the obvious double dribble on Ty Jerome at the end of UVA's Final Four game against Auburn in the 2019 Final Four?
Our losses to Michigan State and Kansas in the Elite 8 on the last possession are great examples too. Just because the ball bounces a certain way, or a ref makes or doesn't make a certain call at a critical time in one game doesn't say anything about the characteristics of the teams involved.
I agree about Moore when in the half-court set, but he's been a consistently decent (and improving) option driving the length of the court to finish. His vision is still poor enough that he doesn't usually make the best read on finishing vs passing, but he's one of our better options in the open court.
I also agree that there was nothing wrong withe play as it happened, just that the shot didn't go in.
Although he was only credited with one turn, he got stuffed (+ the steal) so bad in the lane at least twice that those plays were indistinguishable from turnovers. One of those was i think on the 1st possession of the game for Duke, or at least very early.
It was driving me insane how much contact Duke players were taking while shooting without fouls being called.
I very clearly remember that play and the cursing that followed from him not making the pass to Williams for the dunk. Very frustrating missed opportunity.