UAP & ET - Do you believe?

[whereinthehellami]

Case #1 - USS Nimitz - 'tic-tac' UFO sighting – 2004

Case #2 USS Roosevelt - ‘Gimbal’, 'Go Fast' UFO sightings - 2015

Case #3 UFO swarm over Washington, DC – 1952

Case #4 Rendlesham, England - UFO in Forest – 1980
Here is the text from a memo from Deputy Base Commander Hall on the Rendlesham UFO incident:

1. Early in the morning of 27 Dec 80 (approximately 0300L), two USAF security police patrolmen saw unusual lights outside the back gate at RAF Woodbridge. Thinking an aircraft might have crashed or been forced down, they called for permission to go outside the gate to investigate. The on-duty flight chief responded and allowed three patrolmen to proceed on foot. The individuals reported seeing a strange glowing object in the forest. The Object was described as being metallic in appearance and triangular in shape, approximately two and three meters across the base and approximately two meters high. It illuminated the entire forest with a white light. The object itself had a pulsing red light on top and a bank(s) of blue lights underneath. The object was hovering or on legs. As the patrolmen approached the object, it maneuvered though the trees and disappeared. At this time the animals on a nearby farm went into frenzy. The object was briefly sighted approximately an hour later near the back gate.

2. The next day, three depressions 1 1/2" deep and 7" in diameter were found where the object had been sighted on the ground. The following night (29 Dec 80) the area was checked for radiation. Beta/gamma readings of 0.1 milliroentgens were recorded with peak readings in the three depressions and near the center of the triangle formed by the depressions. A nearby tree had moderate (.05 - .07) readings on the side of the tree toward the depressions.

3. Later in the night a red sun-like light was seen through the trees. It moved about and pulsed. At one point it appeared to throw off glowing particles and then broke into five separate white objects and then disappeared. Immediately thereafter, three star-like objects were noticed in the sky, two objects to the north and one to the south, all of which were about 10 degrees off the horizon. The objects moved rapidly in sharp angular movements and displayed red, green and blue lights. The objects to the north appeared to be elliptical through an 8-12 power lens. They then turned to full circles. The objects to the north remained in the sky for an hour or more. The object to the south was visible for two or three hours and beamed down a stream of light from time to time. Numerous individuals, including the undersigned, witnessed the activities in paragraphs 2 and 3.

End Memo.

…When Staff Sergeant Jim Penniston got to a distance of 50 meters he could make out a metallic type object, some kind of craft, but unlike any he had ever seen in his seven years in the air force. As he moved closer he discovered that the air seemed to be charged with static electricity causing his hair to stand on end. As he closed to within 20 meters of the object he noticed that the animals had scattered and the area was now completely quiet. As he got closer still he could see the object in more detail. He described seeing a shiny black, triangular shaped craft, three meters in width and two high. The surface was smooth almost glass like. He later said it was about the size of a tank. White light was emitting from both the top and bottom of the craft. Red and blue lights flashed alternatively on either side.

Penniston then took out a camera and began photographing the object. He shot the entire roll and then moved closer so he could circle around the back of it. He was amazed to see no visible means of propulsion, nor was there any obvious signs of conventional manufacture: no seams or rivets. By now, and in complete awe of what this object might be, he courageously placed his hands on its surface, which he said felt warm despite the freezing night of an English winter. Sliding his hand over the smooth exterior he discovered a series of raised symbols etched onto its left hand side. The symbols, which he later drew, were about three inches high and covered an area of about three feet in diameter. When Sgt. Penniston put his hand on the etched symbols, which felt like sandpaper compared to the rest of the smooth molded surface, everything became a brilliant bright white. He could neither see nor hear. He was alone in a brilliant bright white light. This occurred for an undetermined amount of time then his sight returned. He was standing next to the craft, facing the pictorial glyphs. The craft started to turn a vivid bright white color. So bright in fact, Sgt. Penniston thought it was going to explode. He took a defensive position nearby as the craft was engulfed in the light. The craft then lifted off approximately four feet from the ground, maneuvered between the trees, ascended to tree top level and disappeared in the blink of an eye.

He stated that he could see no occupants but sensed there was some sort of life present inside. He was absolutely certain it was under intelligent control.

“During the whole encounter”, Penniston states, “I noted what was I was seeing in my logbook, which I still have. In it I wrote - speed impossible. In that moment I knew this craft’s technology was far beyond what we could engineer.

After returning to the base and reporting what they saw the men were debriefed and told to forget they had ever seen anything. Realizing immediately that officials would try to whitewash the incident Penniston and Burroughs decided to return to the landing site shortly after they were debriefed. They located the area and found broken branches scattered everywhere. They also found three indentations in the ground where the UFO had been resting.

Knowing he would need some physical evidence of his encounter Penniston returned to the landing site the following day and made plaster casts of the indentations. Once back in his room Jim was "seeing" ones and zeros (1's and 0's) in his mind's eye. Troubled by the revolving flashing images of ones and zeros he received from touching the glyphs, he felt compelled to write them down in a notebook. Jim records the ones and zeros in his notebook. Upon completing the transfer to notebook paper, the image in his mind disappears. Jim puts the notebook away with his belongings and doesn’t think too much about again. (Sidenote: In 2010, during a casual conversation with a researcher, he mentions the codes and displays the notebook. The researcher immediately recognizes the ones and zeros as binary code and sets out to help Jim decipher it.)

Article with the above memo from Deputy base Commander Hall and excerpts from Staff Sergeant Jim Penniston.

Witnesses to the Rendlesham forest incident.

Rendlesham Forest Incident Wiki article

Article with new evidence from Former Air Force Colonel Hall

[rsvman]

Case #1 - USS Nimitz - 'tic-tac' UFO sighting – 2004

Case #2 USS Roosevelt - ‘Gimbal’, 'Go Fast' UFO sightings - 2015

Case #3 UFO swarm over Washington, DC – 1952

Case #4 Rendlesham, England - UFO in Forest – 1980
Here is the text from a memo from Deputy Base Commander Hall on the Rendlesham UFO incident:

1. Early in the morning of 27 Dec 80 (approximately 0300L), two USAF security police patrolmen saw unusual lights outside the back gate at RAF Woodbridge. Thinking an aircraft might have crashed or been forced down, they called for permission to go outside the gate to investigate. The on-duty flight chief responded and allowed three patrolmen to proceed on foot. The individuals reported seeing a strange glowing object in the forest. The Object was described as being metallic in appearance and triangular in shape, approximately two and three meters across the base and approximately two meters high. It illuminated the entire forest with a white light. The object itself had a pulsing red light on top and a bank(s) of blue lights underneath. The object was hovering or on legs. As the patrolmen approached the object, it maneuvered though the trees and disappeared. At this time the animals on a nearby farm went into frenzy. The object was briefly sighted approximately an hour later near the back gate.

2. The next day, three depressions 1 1/2" deep and 7" in diameter were found where the object had been sighted on the ground. The following night (29 Dec 80) the area was checked for radiation. Beta/gamma readings of 0.1 milliroentgens were recorded with peak readings in the three depressions and near the center of the triangle formed by the depressions. A nearby tree had moderate (.05 - .07) readings on the side of the tree toward the depressions.

3. Later in the night a red sun-like light was seen through the trees. It moved about and pulsed. At one point it appeared to throw off glowing particles and then broke into five separate white objects and then disappeared. Immediately thereafter, three star-like objects were noticed in the sky, two objects to the north and one to the south, all of which were about 10 degrees off the horizon. The objects moved rapidly in sharp angular movements and displayed red, green and blue lights. The objects to the north appeared to be elliptical through an 8-12 power lens. They then turned to full circles. The objects to the north remained in the sky for an hour or more. The object to the south was visible for two or three hours and beamed down a stream of light from time to time. Numerous individuals, including the undersigned, witnessed the activities in paragraphs 2 and 3.

End Memo.

…When Staff Sergeant Jim Penniston got to a distance of 50 meters he could make out a metallic type object, some kind of craft, but unlike any he had ever seen in his seven years in the air force. As he moved closer he discovered that the air seemed to be charged with static electricity causing his hair to stand on end. As he closed to within 20 meters of the object he noticed that the animals had scattered and the area was now completely quiet. As he got closer still he could see the object in more detail. He described seeing a shiny black, triangular shaped craft, three meters in width and two high. The surface was smooth almost glass like. He later said it was about the size of a tank. White light was emitting from both the top and bottom of the craft. Red and blue lights flashed alternatively on either side.

Penniston then took out a camera and began photographing the object. He shot the entire roll and then moved closer so he could circle around the back of it. He was amazed to see no visible means of propulsion, nor was there any obvious signs of conventional manufacture: no seams or rivets. By now, and in complete awe of what this object might be, he courageously placed his hands on its surface, which he said felt warm despite the freezing night of an English winter. Sliding his hand over the smooth exterior he discovered a series of raised symbols etched onto its left hand side. The symbols, which he later drew, were about three inches high and covered an area of about three feet in diameter. When Sgt. Penniston put his hand on the etched symbols, which felt like sandpaper compared to the rest of the smooth molded surface, everything became a brilliant bright white. He could neither see nor hear. He was alone in a brilliant bright white light. This occurred for an undetermined amount of time then his sight returned. He was standing next to the craft, facing the pictorial glyphs. The craft started to turn a vivid bright white color. So bright in fact, Sgt. Penniston thought it was going to explode. He took a defensive position nearby as the craft was engulfed in the light. The craft then lifted off approximately four feet from the ground, maneuvered between the trees, ascended to tree top level and disappeared in the blink of an eye.

He stated that he could see no occupants but sensed there was some sort of life present inside. He was absolutely certain it was under intelligent control.

“During the whole encounter”, Penniston states, “I noted what was I was seeing in my logbook, which I still have. In it I wrote - speed impossible. In that moment I knew this craft’s technology was far beyond what we could engineer.

After returning to the base and reporting what they saw the men were debriefed and told to forget they had ever seen anything. Realizing immediately that officials would try to whitewash the incident Penniston and Burroughs decided to return to the landing site shortly after they were debriefed. They located the area and found broken branches scattered everywhere. They also found three indentations in the ground where the UFO had been resting.

Knowing he would need some physical evidence of his encounter Penniston returned to the landing site the following day and made plaster casts of the indentations. Once back in his room Jim was "seeing" ones and zeros (1's and 0's) in his mind's eye. Troubled by the revolving flashing images of ones and zeros he received from touching the glyphs, he felt compelled to write them down in a notebook. Jim records the ones and zeros in his notebook. Upon completing the transfer to notebook paper, the image in his mind disappears. Jim puts the notebook away with his belongings and doesn’t think too much about again. (Sidenote: In 2010, during a casual conversation with a researcher, he mentions the codes and displays the notebook. The researcher immediately recognizes the ones and zeros as binary code and sets out to help Jim decipher it.)

Article with the above memo from Deputy base Commander Hall and excerpts from Staff Sergeant Jim Penniston.

Witnesses to the Rendlesham forest incident.

Rendlesham Forest Incident Wiki article

Article with new evidence from Former Air Force Colonel Hall

So where are his photos? What did the 1s and 0s encode? Where are the plaster casts that he made?

[whereinthehellami]

So where are his photos? What did the 1s and 0s encode? Where are the plaster casts that he made?

This page has more information on the photos (base said they didn't come out but wouldn't give them back), plaster cast (Penniston kept one), Lt. Col. Hall audio tape (from eye witness acount), and Penniston's notebook with sketches from incident. The hypnosis reports (Penniston & Burrough) seem wild but it is interesting that Penniston touched the UFO. There is some belief that radiation interferes with photos and that is one reason why you don't see many photos of UFOs up close.

Binary Code Page.

Keep in mind that these witnesses (up to 30) were guarding nuclear weapons. So if they are all crazy, we might have another problem on our hands.

[whereinthehellami]

Case #1 - USS Nimitz - 'tic-tac' UFO sighting – 2004

Case #2 USS Roosevelt - ‘Gimbal’, 'Go Fast' UFO sightings - 2015

Case #3 UFO swarm over Washington, DC – 1952

Case #4 Rendlesham, England - UFO in Forest – 1980

Case #5 Phoenix lights - triangular shaped UFOs – 1997
The Phoenix Lights were a series of widely sighted triangular shaped UFOs observed in the skies over the U.S. states of Arizona, Nevada, and the Mexican state of Sonora on March 13, 1997.

Thousands of witnesses saw the sightings over a 300 mile area, including Fife Symington, the governor at the time, was one witness to this incident; he later called the object "otherworldly."

Witnesses were reporting such markedly different objects and events that night that it was difficult for investigators to understand what was taking place. Some witnesses reported five lights, others seven, or even more. Some reported that the lights were distinctly orange or red, whereas others reported distinctly white or yellow lights. Many reported the lights were moving across the sky at seemingly high speed, whereas others reported they moved at a slow (angular) velocity, or they even hovered motionless for several minutes.

These apparent discrepancies, together with the large number of communities from which sightings were being reported in rapid sequence, raised early suspicions that multiple objects were involved in the event, and that they perhaps were traveling at high speed. These suspicions would be borne out over subsequent months, following extensive investigation by many individuals. The investigations pointed to the fact that several objects, all markedly different in appearance, and most of them almost unbelievably large, passed over Arizona that night.

One group of three witnesses, located just north of Phoenix, reported seeing a huge, wedge-shaped craft with five lights on its ventral surface pass overhead with an eerie “gliding” type of flight. It coursed to the south and passed between two mountain peaks to the south. The witnesses emphasized how huge the object was, blocking out up to 70-90 degrees of the sky.

A second group of witnesses, a mother and four daughters near the intersection of Indian School Road and 7th Avenue, were shocked to witness an object, shaped somewhat like a sergeant’s stripes, approach from over Camelback Mountain to the north. They report that it stopped directly above them, where it hovered for an estimated 5 minutes. They described how it filled at least 30-40 degrees of sky, and how it exhibited a faint glow along its trailing edge. The witnesses felt they could see individual features on the ventral surface of the object, and they were certain that they were looking at a very large, solid object.

The object began moving slowly to the south, at which time it appeared to “fire” a white beam of light at the ground. At about the same time, the seven lights on the object’s leading edge suddenly dimmed and disappeared from the witnesses’ sight. The object moved off in the general direction of Sky Harbor International Airport, a few miles to the south, where it was witnessed by two air traffic controllers in the airport tower, and reportedly by several pilots, both on the ground and on final approach from the east.

Article with the above excerpts.

Wiki entry on Phoenix lights.

[PackMan97]

You realize that Alpha Centauri is a star. Either the plans are burnt to a crisp, in a well made lockbox (thanks Al Gore), or sitting in a depot on a neighboring planet. Will Robinson and family, well, they needed to make some alternate plans anyway.

Just Fact Checking.

Larry
DevilHorse

I'm not going to argue with a Vorgon Constructor Fleet...are you?

[TruBlu]

A little background: While in the Navy in the early 70’s, I maintained and operated a long range target tracking and missile guidance radar, with a side duty of guarding shipboard nuclear weapons.

Out of boredom late at night, I would sometimes fire up my radar and put it in a search mode to locate and track random targets. On one such night, I happened to lock onto a strong (I was well trained and experienced in identifying real moving targets from “cloud clutter“ and storms which can sometimes give radars fake targets). How fast? Over Mach 7... with some unheard of turns and maneuvers. It was so unusual that I ran a tracking tape of it during the brief time that it was in range (over 200 miles).

The next morning, I presented the tracking tape to my Lt. Commander weapons officer. When I asked him about it a few days later, his comment was: “You didn’t see it. Forget about it. Do not discuss it.”

Was it a UFO, or simply a secret military aircraft? I’ll never know, but it was obvious that my superiors did not want it public.

[whereinthehellami]

A little background: While in the Navy in the early 70’s, I maintained and operated a long range target tracking and missile guidance radar, with a side duty of guarding shipboard nuclear weapons.

Out of boredom late at night, I would sometimes fire up my radar and put it in a search mode to locate and track random targets. On one such night, I happened to lock onto a strong (I was well trained and experienced in identifying real moving targets from “cloud clutter“ and storms which can sometimes give radars fake targets). How fast? Over Mach 7... with some unheard of turns and maneuvers. It was so unusual that I ran a tracking tape of it during the brief time that it was in range (over 200 miles).

The next morning, I presented the tracking tape to my Lt. Commander weapons officer. When I asked him about it a few days later, his comment was: “You didn’t see it. Forget about it. Do not discuss it.”

Was it a UFO, or simply a secret military aircraft? I’ll never know, but it was obvious that my superiors did not want it public.

Interesting. It was definitely a UFO, being that it was an Unidentified Flying Object, right? The question is whether it was man-made or alien?

I think it was Commander David Fravor in one of the podcasts I posted earlier that made a good point against these being military craft. His point was that the leading edge of military research works so closely with the leading edge of academia, where they get their talent from, that it would be near impossible to keep secret - the laws of physics are/have been broken. Credible reports of UFOs behaving in this way go back to 1947.

[whereinthehellami]

Case #1 - USS Nimitz - 'tic-tac' UFO sighting – 2004

Case #2 USS Roosevelt - ‘Gimbal’, 'Go Fast' UFO sightings - 2015

Case #3 UFO swarm over Washington, DC – 1952

Case #4 Rendlesham, England - UFO in Forest – 1980

Case #5 Phoenix lights - triangular shaped UFOs – 1997

Case #6 Flight 1628 - Japanese cargo jet and 3 UFOs in Alaskan airspace – 1986
On November 17, 1986, Three UFOs played tag with Japan Air Lines (JAL) cargo flight 1628 for 50 minutes while they were visually observed by a sometimes terrified flight crew. During the last 30 minutes the UFOs were tracked on military and civilian radar, and the entire encounter was verified by a high-level administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

Japan Airlines Captain Kenju Terauchi was an ex-fighter pilot and senior airline pilot with more than 10,000 hours flight experience. On the initial sighting Captain Kenju Terauchi relayed that the distance from the lights was far enough from us and we felt no immediate danger. I thought perhaps it is a UFO. The lights were still moving strangely. Most unexpectedly two spaceships appeared [directly in front of the plane], shooting off lights. The inside cockpit shined brightly and I felt [the warmth of the UFO’s thrusters’] on my face.

Then, three to seven seconds later, the fire — like from jet engines — stopped and became a small circle of lights as they began to fly in level flight at the same speed as we were. The middle of the body of the ship sparked an occasional stream of lights, like a charcoal fire. Its shape was a square, flying 500 feet to 1,000 feet in front of us, very slightly higher in altitude than us. Its size was about the same size as the body of a DC-8 [similar in size to a Boeing 707].

It is impossible for any manmade machine to make a sudden appearance in front of a jumbo jet that is flying 910 kilometers per hour and to move along in a formation paralleling our aircraft. But we did not feel threatened or in danger. Honestly, we were simply astounded. I have no idea why they came so close to us.

There was a pale white flat light in the direction where the ships flew away, [pacing us]. The Anchorage Center replied that they saw nothing on their radar. I set our digital weather radar distance to 20 miles, radar angle to horizon. There it was, on the screen: a large, green, round object had appeared seven or eight miles away, in the direction of the object.

We arrived at the sky above the Eielson Air Force Base and Fairbanks. It was a clear night. We were just above the bright city lights and we checked the pale white light behind us. There was a silhouette of a gigantic spaceship! We must get away quickly!

A terrified Captain Terauchi, in coordination with the Anchorage Center, attempted evasive maneuvers such as flying in a circle and changing altitude. The gigantic UFO, later described by Terauchi as the size of two aircraft carriers, shadowed flight 1628 through all maneuvers.

Anchorage Press article about Flight 1628

Excerpt from John Callahan, FAA investigator, Division Chief:
When Callahan played the tapes, he heard a three-way conversation between Anchorage Air Traffic Control (ATC), Elmendorf’s NORAD Regional Operations Control Center (ROCC), and Captain Terauchi of JAL 1628. He also played a tape of the ATC radar sightings on a scope. Anchorage Air Traffic Control didn’t see the UFOs on their radar, but, based on their conversation, the military were clearly tracking the UFOs.

Callahan explained: The military controller has what they call height-finding radar, and they have long-range radar and short-range radar, so if they don’t catch it on one of their systems, they catch it on the other. Ours wouldn’t record it.

Details reported by the military controller indicated that the UFOs were traveling thousands of miles per hour as they maneuvered in the airspace around the 747. The military controller had one other surprise finding. Near the end of the incident a United Airlines flight was diverted to observe the JAL flight. By then, Captain Terauchi no longer saw the huge UFO, and the United Pilot did not see it either. Unbeknownst to both of them, the military radar clearly indicated that the UFO had tucked in out of sight behind the United Flight and had begun following it.

Callahan said “For those people that say that if these UFOs existed, they would some day be on radar and that there’d be professionals who would see it, then I can tell them that back in 1986 there were enough professional people that saw it. It was brought down to headquarters, FAA headquarters, Washington D.C. The Administrator saw the tape of it. The people that we were debriefing, they’ve all seen. Reagan’s Scientific Study team, three of those professors, doctors, they’ve seen it. As far as I was concerned they were the ones that verified my own thoughts about it. They were very, very excited about the data. They had said that this was the only time a UFO was ever recorded on radar for any length of time where it is 30 some minutes. And they have all this data to look at”…

What I can tell you is what I’ve seen with my own eyes. I’ve got a videotape. I’ve got the voice tape. I’ve got the reports that were filed that will confirm what I’ve been telling you. And I’m one of those, what you would call the high Government officials in the FAA. I was a Division Chief. I was only three or four chairs down from the Admiral”.

John Callahan excerpts, from part of the Disclosure Project.

[bundabergdevil]

A little background: While in the Navy in the early 70’s, I maintained and operated a long range target tracking and missile guidance radar, with a side duty of guarding shipboard nuclear weapons.

Out of boredom late at night, I would sometimes fire up my radar and put it in a search mode to locate and track random targets. On one such night, I happened to lock onto a strong (I was well trained and experienced in identifying real moving targets from “cloud clutter“ and storms which can sometimes give radars fake targets). How fast? Over Mach 7... with some unheard of turns and maneuvers. It was so unusual that I ran a tracking tape of it during the brief time that it was in range (over 200 miles).

The next morning, I presented the tracking tape to my Lt. Commander weapons officer. When I asked him about it a few days later, his comment was: “You didn’t see it. Forget about it. Do not discuss it.”

Was it a UFO, or simply a secret military aircraft? I’ll never know, but it was obvious that my superiors did not want it public.

My father has a similar story that would have occurred in the late 1970s. He was in the USAF stationed in the middle of nowhere in the southern hemisphere at a joint defense facility. I don't know the specifics but as he tells it he was keeping an eye on the skies for ICBMs. Anyway, he said one night they picked up something similar to what you described that they couldn't explain --- within 24 hours high ranking officials they had never seen in their life showed up and confiscated all the relevant files and data, then left. This was the type of pace you had to work to get to, too.

[jimsumner]

All of these flying-things-doing-impossible-stuff stories are interesting, maybe even compelling. But the question still remains. If beings of extra-terrestrial origin, or visitors from another dimension or time travelers or whatever are behind these events, then what is their end game?

They've been doing this for 75 years or so? Are they just going to continue jerking our collective chains indefinitely? Are they waiting for something from us? Take us to your leader after the 2020 elections? Renounce nuclear weapons? Grow a third arm?

Seriously. Why tap dance at 20,000 feet with a commercial airliner? It doesn't make sense to me. Which is why I continue to be a skeptic.

[camion]

All of these flying-things-doing-impossible-stuff stories are interesting, maybe even compelling. But the question still remains. If beings of extra-terrestrial origin, or visitors from another dimension or time travelers or whatever are behind these events, then what is their end game?

They've been doing this for 75 years or so? Are they just going to continue jerking our collective chains indefinitely? Are they waiting for something from us? Take us to your leader after the 2020 elections? Renounce nuclear weapons? Grow a third arm?

Seriously. Why tap dance at 20,000 feet with a commercial airliner? It doesn't make sense to me. Which is why I continue to be a skeptic.

Maybe their Prime Directive is, “Mess with them a bit and see what they do.”

Or maybe we just aren’t important in their scheme of things, just mildly amusing like ants or dragon flies.

Or perhaps we are just mislabeling them when they should remain UFOs, unidentified.

[gep]

Or... Each case could be a different alien race from a different galaxy/universe or space/time. So only one visit per... never to return again. Too uninteresting to be worth returning.

[budwom]

All of these flying-things-doing-impossible-stuff stories are interesting, maybe even compelling. But the question still remains. If beings of extra-terrestrial origin, or visitors from another dimension or time travelers or whatever are behind these events, then what is their end game?

They've been doing this for 75 years or so? Are they just going to continue jerking our collective chains indefinitely? Are they waiting for something from us? Take us to your leader after the 2020 elections? Renounce nuclear weapons? Grow a third arm?

Seriously. Why tap dance at 20,000 feet with a commercial airliner? It doesn't make sense to me. Which is why I continue to be a skeptic.

They're here to ruin Duke football, and are taking another run at us...I have evidence!

[whereinthehellami]

My father has a similar story that would have occurred in the late 1970s. He was in the USAF stationed in the middle of nowhere in the southern hemisphere at a joint defense facility. I don't know the specifics but as he tells it he was keeping an eye on the skies for ICBMs. Anyway, he said one night they picked up something similar to what you described that they couldn't explain --- within 24 hours high ranking officials they had never seen in their life showed up and confiscated all the relevant files and data, then left. This was the type of pace you had to work to get to, too.

All of these flying-things-doing-impossible-stuff stories are interesting, maybe even compelling. But the question still remains. If beings of extra-terrestrial origin, or visitors from another dimension or time travelers or whatever are behind these events, then what is their end game?

They've been doing this for 75 years or so? Are they just going to continue jerking our collective chains indefinitely? Are they waiting for something from us? Take us to your leader after the 2020 elections? Renounce nuclear weapons? Grow a third arm?

Seriously. Why tap dance at 20,000 feet with a commercial airliner? It doesn't make sense to me. Which is why I continue to be a skeptic.

It seems to me that in a lot of these cases the UFOs aren't initially meaning to interact with us but rather they are happened upon and then they interact. What are the UFOs/ET doing, that is the question? Not do UFOs/ET exist because IMO they most certainly do exist, but why are they here? There is a lot of speculation as to why they might be here. I doubt it is to study us as I'm sure we are not that interesting to an advanced civilization(s). The more fringe/conspiracy issues of abductions might play a role in figuring their reasons out. I'll get into that more later.

What if UFO/ET don’t have to travel far? Like earth is easy to get to via wormhole, bending space, or other dimension(s). Maybe some species are already here, under water, subterranean, or again interdimensional.

Based on how many different type and shapes of UFO sightings there are, there might be multiple species visiting earth regularly for different reasons. Seeing that the UFO sightings increased immensely with atomic weapon testing, it seems plausible that some species are quite interested in our weapons not leaving Earth. UFOs Deactivated Nukes in 1967. The destruction of an Atlas F missile in flight from Vandenburg Air Force Base by UFO in 1964, which was filmed by the Air Force. The implications of these two above cases are huge.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

It seems to me that in a lot of these cases the UFOs aren't initially meaning to interact with us but rather they are happened upon and then they interact. What are the UFOs/ET doing, that is the question? Not do UFOs/ET exist because IMO they most certainly do exist, but why are they here? There is a lot of speculation as to why they might be here. I doubt it is to study us as I'm sure we are not that interesting to an advanced civilization(s). The more fringe/conspiracy issues of abductions might play a role in figuring their reasons out. I'll get into that more later.

What if UFO/ET don’t have to travel far? Like earth is easy to get to via wormhole, bending space, or other dimension(s). Maybe some species are already here, under water, subterranean, or again interdimensional.

Based on how many different type and shapes of UFO sightings there are, there might be multiple species visiting earth regularly for different reasons. Seeing that the UFO sightings increased immensely with atomic weapon testing, it seems plausible that some species are quite interested in our weapons not leaving Earth. UFOs Deactivated Nukes in 1967. The destruction of an Atlas F missile in flight from Vandenburg Air Force Base by UFO in 1964, which was filmed by the Air Force. The implications of these two above cases are huge.

Perhaps they’re all just here checking on their livestock and making sure we don’t destroy ourselves before we can deliver on whatever purpose we were bred for...

[camion]

Perhaps they’re all just here checking on their livestock and making sure we don’t destroy ourselves before we can deliver on whatever purpose we were bred for...

Perhaps we're here for alien porn.





I hear they are really into anal probing*.




*Is there any evidence that aliens have anuses? Maybe that's it, anus envy.

[jimsumner]

It seems to me that in a lot of these cases the UFOs aren't initially meaning to interact with us but rather they are happened upon and then they interact. What are the UFOs/ET doing, that is the question? Not do UFOs/ET exist because IMO they most certainly do exist, but why are they here? There is a lot of speculation as to why they might be here. I doubt it is to study us as I'm sure we are not that interesting to an advanced civilization(s). The more fringe/conspiracy issues of abductions might play a role in figuring their reasons out. I'll get into that more later.

What if UFO/ET don’t have to travel far? Like earth is easy to get to via wormhole, bending space, or other dimension(s). Maybe some species are already here, under water, subterranean, or again interdimensional.

Based on how many different type and shapes of UFO sightings there are, there might be multiple species visiting earth regularly for different reasons. Seeing that the UFO sightings increased immensely with atomic weapon testing, it seems plausible that some species are quite interested in our weapons not leaving Earth. UFOs Deactivated Nukes in 1967. The destruction of an Atlas F missile in flight from Vandenburg Air Force Base by UFO in 1964, which was filmed by the Air Force. The implications of these two above cases are huge.

Again, if they've been accidentally interacting with humans for 75 years or so, why not come clean, have a socially-distanced press conference or something? There just doesn't seem to be any rational explanation for the lack of follow-through. If you really believe all of these UFO incidents really translate to alien contact, then their secret is out, their cover is blown.

Or maybe we should more emphasis on the U part of UFO.

[whereinthehellami]

Again, if they've been accidentally interacting with humans for 75 years or so, why not come clean, have a socially-distanced press conference or something? There just doesn't seem to be any rational explanation for the lack of follow-through. If you really believe all of these UFO incidents really translate to alien contact, then their secret is out, their cover is blown.

Or maybe we should more emphasis on the U part of UFO.

Why do they need to do anything? Especially if they have been here forever. The 75 years is more about undeniable (expert testimony, radar, pictures, video) sightings of UFOs. The Earth's history and art is rife with UFO/ET documentation. A lot of people devalue the old recordings as not credible. How could our ancestors have made it more credible for us? There are some interesting/fringe conspiracy theory stuff like the Ancient astronaut theory that postulates that we are their descendants.

Maybe the DC swarm and some of these other events are their way of communicating with us. If so, I'm going to go with they were not happy with us or what we were doing and that would be why they parked 13 of their craft over the Capitol. People who have been contacted and/or abducted talk about how they communicate telepathically and due to our limitations, the ET have difficulty dumbing it down to them and that would be why there is difficulty getting the message across. Similar to our intelligence over ants or even Chimpanzees and our inability to communicate with them.

What if they have made contact with governments? Think Roswell, Bob Lazar, Area 51, S4, etc. Maybe they have agreements in place and due to the sensitivity and severity of that intel (national security, panic) we (the regular people) are left in the dark to piece together the pieces. Along those lines I think the big question is now, why is the US Government now releasing and legitimizing UFO cases (USS Nimitz and USS Roosevelt) after spending so much time and effort debunking them in the past? Again lots of speculation and conspiracy theories. What else is there when you are left in the dark? The theory I'm backing is that something has changed in the US Government's relationship with ET and some big announcement/discovery is imminent (not immediate necessarily). Maybe something with quantum physics and our ability see the world differently. There have been a lot more sightings now with the advancements in infrared radar. Imagine what DARPA sees and knows. There is no way they haven't dumped a ton of money into UFO/ET contact.

[jimsumner]

Why do they need to do anything? Especially if they have been here forever. The 75 years is more about undeniable (expert testimony, radar, pictures, video) sightings of UFOs. The Earth's history and art is rife with UFO/ET documentation. A lot of people devalue the old recordings as not credible. How could our ancestors have made it more credible for us? There are some interesting/fringe conspiracy theory stuff like the Ancient astronaut theory that postulates that we are their descendants.

Maybe the DC swarm and some of these other events are their way of communicating with us. If so, I'm going to go with they were not happy with us or what we were doing and that would be why they parked 13 of their craft over the Capitol. People who have been contacted and/or abducted talk about how they communicate telepathically and due to our limitations, the ET have difficulty dumbing it down to them and that would be why there is difficulty getting the message across. Similar to our intelligence over ants or even Chimpanzees and our inability to communicate with them.

What if they have made contact with governments? Think Roswell, Bob Lazar, Area 51, S4, etc. Maybe they have agreements in place and due to the sensitivity and severity of that intel (national security, panic) we (the regular people) are left in the dark to piece together the pieces. Along those lines I think the big question is now, why is the US Government now releasing and legitimizing UFO cases (USS Nimitz and USS Roosevelt) after spending so much time and effort debunking them in the past? Again lots of speculation and conspiracy theories. What else is there when you are left in the dark? The theory I'm backing is that something has changed in the US Government's relationship with ET and some big announcement/discovery is imminent (not immediate necessarily). Maybe something with quantum physics and our ability see the world differently. There have been a lot more sightings now with the advancements in infrared radar. Imagine what DARPA sees and knows. There is no way they haven't dumped a ton of money into UFO/ET contact.

Again, the key word here, for me at least, is Unidentified. But I'm 70 and in reasonably good health. So, I guess I have time for imminent.

[rsvman]

Why do they need to do anything? Especially if they have been here forever. The 75 years is more about undeniable (expert testimony, radar, pictures, video) sightings of UFOs. The Earth's history and art is rife with UFO/ET documentation. A lot of people devalue the old recordings as not credible. How could our ancestors have made it more credible for us? There are some interesting/fringe conspiracy theory stuff like the Ancient astronaut theory that postulates that we are their descendants.

Maybe the DC swarm and some of these other events are their way of communicating with us. If so, I'm going to go with they were not happy with us or what we were doing and that would be why they parked 13 of their craft over the Capitol. People who have been contacted and/or abducted talk about how they communicate telepathically and due to our limitations, the ET have difficulty dumbing it down to them and that would be why there is difficulty getting the message across. Similar to our intelligence over ants or even Chimpanzees and our inability to communicate with them.

What if they have made contact with governments? Think Roswell, Bob Lazar, Area 51, S4, etc. Maybe they have agreements in place and due to the sensitivity and severity of that intel (national security, panic) we (the regular people) are left in the dark to piece together the pieces. Along those lines I think the big question is now, why is the US Government now releasing and legitimizing UFO cases (USS Nimitz and USS Roosevelt) after spending so much time and effort debunking them in the past? Again lots of speculation and conspiracy theories. What else is there when you are left in the dark? The theory I'm backing is that something has changed in the US Government's relationship with ET and some big announcement/discovery is imminent (not immediate necessarily). Maybe something with quantum physics and our ability see the world differently. There have been a lot more sightings now with the advancements in infrared radar. Imagine what DARPA sees and knows. There is no way they haven't dumped a ton of money into UFO/ET contact.

Your user name is starting to make a lot of sense........j/k