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  1. #1321
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluedog View Post
    Speculation abounds... timing of year is different. More competition for eyeballs with so much content out there. No fans. People turned off by what they perceive as NBA being too political. Don't think anybody knows for sure...
    I think you have largely summarized the main issues. If I recall, in 2016 NFL ratings were bad partially because the election was drawing attention away. So that factors into the "competition for eyeballs" bucket. I believe that the measures for counting those who don't watch through traditional cable/satellite packages are also not clear, so some of those people might not be counted in the publicized numbers.

    I would like to see year-over-year numbers for September/October total sports viewership. With all of the major pro sports playing at once, plus college football, major golf and tennis tournaments mixed in, there was just a lot going on. But was the total number of people watching sports similar, but just spread out across more events? Not clear.

    It was likely a blip on the ratings, but I'm guessing that Miami was not a huge draw for the finals compared to some other alternatives. I really enjoyed watching them play, but they don't have as much name recognition as other teams.

    As one who watched much more basketball this year than in years past, I would also like to blame it having to see those horrible "Real Chris Paul" State Farm commercials over and over again for reducing viewership.

  2. #1322
    Quote Originally Posted by Indoor66 View Post
    Why is the NBA Finals TV viewership so pathetic?
    Because there is/was hockey, golf, NFL, college football all competing for eyeballs.
    Last edited by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15; 10-12-2020 at 09:10 AM. Reason: Forgot MLB

  3. #1323
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyNotCrazie View Post
    I think you have largely summarized the main issues. If I recall, in 2016 NFL ratings were bad partially because the election was drawing attention away. So that factors into the "competition for eyeballs" bucket. I believe that the measures for counting those who don't watch through traditional cable/satellite packages are also not clear, so some of those people might not be counted in the publicized numbers.

    I would like to see year-over-year numbers for September/October total sports viewership. With all of the major pro sports playing at once, plus college football, major golf and tennis tournaments mixed in, there was just a lot going on. But was the total number of people watching sports similar, but just spread out across more events? Not clear.

    It was likely a blip on the ratings, but I'm guessing that Miami was not a huge draw for the finals compared to some other alternatives. I really enjoyed watching them play, but they don't have as much name recognition as other teams.

    As one who watched much more basketball this year than in years past, I would also like to blame it having to see those horrible "Real Chris Paul" State Farm commercials over and over again for reducing viewership.
    After a spring/early summer with no sports other than replays, yesterday had a French Open Final, a full slate of NFL games (including a really compelling Sunday night contest), a PGA tournament that finished playoff, an LPGA major, ALCS Game 1, and an NBA finals game. Actually too much sports to watch. I'm an MLB fan and completely missed that game between the NFL and NBA.

  4. #1324
    ...because who wants to watch the Lakers buy another championship. BORING

  5. #1325
    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    ...because who wants to watch the Lakers buy another championship. BORING
    While I applaud Adam Silver for getting the season back on track, nothing about the NBA in the bubble engendered any excitement - at least for me. Watching the game with video generated fans in the stands was just weird.

    And there is something increasingly boring and unappetizing about superstars stacking teams with other superstars so they can win.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by niveklaen View Post
    This title really adds to Lebron's legacy as a beacon to freedom. To be able to choose your own destiny, to say this is where I want to live and these are my people that I will lead, and to lead his people in his chosen lands - not once but 3 different times - is amazing. Earlier greats were merely the playthings of their plantation owners - told as children where they would live for the rest of their lives and who their teammates would be with no say in their own destiny. I am glad to witness the rise of freedom that Lebron's success glorifies.

    To the haters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g
    Dang where do I sign up for this plantation that will pay me tens if not hundreds of millions?

  7. #1327
    The Lakers left the stadium and forgot Quinn. Quinn posts to JR Smith live feed and hilarity ensues...
    https://www.si.com/nba/2020/10/12/qu...ls-celebration

  8. #1328
    Quote Originally Posted by ice-9 View Post
    Dang where do I sign up for this plantation that will pay me tens if not hundreds of millions?
    I suspect we would all be best served to leave the plantation analogies to the NCAA sports, if at all.

  9. #1329
    Quote Originally Posted by 1991 duke law View Post
    While I applaud Adam Silver for getting the season back on track, nothing about the NBA in the bubble engendered any excitement - at least for me. Watching the game with video generated fans in the stands was just weird.

    And there is something increasingly boring and unappetizing about superstars stacking teams with other superstars so they can win.
    As well as flopping and endless complaining about foul calls. And almost forgot the lengthy reviews of plays.

  10. #1330
    Quote Originally Posted by niveklaen View Post
    This title really adds to Lebron's legacy as a beacon to freedom. To be able to choose your own destiny, to say this is where I want to live and these are my people that I will lead, and to lead his people in his chosen lands - not once but 3 different times - is amazing. Earlier greats were merely the playthings of their plantation owners - told as children where they would live for the rest of their lives and who their teammates would be with no say in their own destiny. I am glad to witness the rise of freedom that Lebron's success glorifies.
    Surely you intended this as satire...right?

  11. #1331
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    I do think that a large number of fans were turned away by the social justice messaging that the NBA put forth, which is unfortunate. Having to compete with the other leagues is also a big factor, and I will add that older fans with kids just don't have the same amount of down time to watch games as they did in non-pandemic times, while younger fans are now spending all day in front of a screen and may not want to spend their leisure time watching more TV. Plus you can't go out to a bar to watch a game or invite friends over to watch, it's just watching at home by yourself, and that probably doesn't appeal to as many people.

    When the Lakers had a dominant game 1 and the Heat had all those injuries, that likely led many to feel that the Finals were a foregone conclusion and there was no reason to watch. The Heat were able to push them just a bit, but I think people's attention went elsewhere. Which is too bad because these playoffs featured some amazingly high level ball. We saw lots of young stars emerge, and the league did a tremendous job creating the bubble and having zero positive COVID tests.

  12. #1332
    Anyone seen the numbers? From the talking heads I tend to hear, it's football that drives the ratings ship, by far. Unless that has changed, I doubt the messaging had a negative effect. It's just that you don't want to go up against football, period.

  13. #1333
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    Quote Originally Posted by niveklaen View Post
    This title really adds to Lebron's legacy as a beacon to freedom. To be able to choose your own destiny, to say this is where I want to live and these are my people that I will lead, and to lead his people in his chosen lands - not once but 3 different times - is amazing. Earlier greats were merely the playthings of their plantation owners - told as children where they would live for the rest of their lives and who their teammates would be with no say in their own destiny. I am glad to witness the rise of freedom that Lebron's success glorifies.

    To the haters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g
    It is no accident that Wilt Chamberlain ended his career with the Lakers. It is no accident that Kareem forced a trade between the Bucks and the Lakers.

    It is a lot easier now, to be sure.

    NY Times quote from Kareem in 1975:
    Abdul‐Jabbar, a 7‐foot‐3‐inch center, had asked to be traded last season because of his growing disenchantment with a city best known for beer and bratwurst.

    “I'm not criticizing the people here,” said the 28‐year‐old superstar. “But Milwaukee is not what I'm all about. The things I relate to aren't in Milwaukee.”
    From "The Ringer" on the 50th anniversary of the Wilt-to-LA deal in 2018:
    But the move had only the veneer of a standard NBA trade. In actuality, it was Wilt, then two years younger than LeBron is now and with comparable influence, pulling off a shadow free-agency move, 20 years before unrestricted free agency existed—and in doing so, simultaneously creating basketball’s earliest superteam.
    Sage Grouse

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    'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013

  14. #1334
    Quote Originally Posted by cspan37421 View Post
    Anyone seen the numbers? From the talking heads I tend to hear, it's football that drives the ratings ship, by far. Unless that has changed, I doubt the messaging had a negative effect. It's just that you don't want to go up against football, period.
    And the next basketball season should be starting in 10 days from now in a normal year- that is crazy. I wonder how they will get back on track again. They will have to have an abbreviated season this year or next.

  15. #1335
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    Quote Originally Posted by cspan37421 View Post
    Anyone seen the numbers? From the talking heads I tend to hear, it's football that drives the ratings ship, by far. Unless that has changed, I doubt the messaging had a negative effect. It's just that you don't want to go up against football, period.
    Yeah that makes sense, certainly for the NBA games that were played on Sundays and Mondays. My counter argument though would be that when Kaepernick first began his kneeling protests, the NFL’s numbers went down too.

  16. #1336
    Quote Originally Posted by Steven43 View Post
    Surely you intended this as satire...right?
    yes, guess I should have leaned harder into the Moses theme.

  17. #1337
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    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    Yeah that makes sense, certainly for the NBA games that were played on Sundays and Mondays. My counter argument though would be that when Kaepernick first began his kneeling protests, the NFL’s numbers went down too.
    I'll be honest, I don't know why the NBA scheduled so many of the finals games on NFL days. Basketball is flexible enough that they could have easily avoided it but they went ahead and played 2 of the 6 finals games on Sunday.

  18. #1338
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    I'll be honest, I don't know why the NBA scheduled so many of the finals games on NFL days. Basketball is flexible enough that they could have easily avoided it but they went ahead and played 2 of the 6 finals games on Sunday.
    They also played 2 of the 6 games on Friday, which is never a good night for live sports of any kind.

  19. #1339
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvdahops View Post
    They also played 2 of the 6 games on Friday, which is never a good night for live sports of any kind.
    What about high school football? Friday Night Lights!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    I suspect we would all be best served to leave the plantation analogies to the NCAA sports, if at all.
    I am criticizing the analogy, why is this addressed to me? Or perhaps you are lending support and I am misreading the tone.

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