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  1. #1
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    Should Notre Dame be in the ACC permanently?

    SB Nation routinely polls members (what used to be called FanPulse, now called Reacts; thereís an old post describing it on the main page).

    This week, they asked if Notre Dame should stay in the ACC permanently.

    The results were an overwhelming Yes!, other than ND themselves (based on affiliation listed within SBN). Overall, and by affiliations:

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    -jk

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    The problem is their historical football rivalries. You can't play a nine-game ACC schedule (much less ten) and all of USC, Navy, Stanford (these are the non-negotiables, right?) Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue. And Army. Michigan already comes and goes as it is. Boston College is in the ACC...but you can't play everyone inside the conference every year either. I'd expect their fans to resist full-ACC as long as possible, and I can't say I blame them.

    Of course, just about everyone except Notre Dame has has to capitulate to scarificing historical rivalries on the megaconference altar, whether it's West Virginia-everybody, Mizzou-everybody, A&M-Texas, Nebraska-Oklahoma, Georgia-Clemson, Penn State-Pittsburgh, the list goes on and on and on. Maybe one day Our Lady of Northern Indiana will find out she's not quite as special as she fancies herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    The problem is their historical football rivalries. You can't play a nine-game ACC schedule (much less ten) and all of USC, Navy, Stanford (these are the non-negotiables, right?) Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue. And Army. Michigan already comes and goes as it is. Boston College is in the ACC...but you can't play everyone inside the conference every year either. I'd expect their fans to resist full-ACC as long as possible, and I can't say I blame them.

    Of course, just about everyone except Notre Dame has has to capitulate to scarificing historical rivalries on the megaconference altar, whether it's West Virginia-everybody, Mizzou-everybody, A&M-Texas, Nebraska-Oklahoma, Georgia-Clemson, Penn State-Pittsburgh, the list goes on and on and on. Maybe one day Our Lady of Northern Indiana will find out she's not quite as special as she fancies herself.
    I always thought they the NBC deal was the main reason they remain independent.
    Psalms 27:1 The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattman91 View Post
    I always thought they the NBC deal was the main reason they remain independent.
    That's why the administrators want to remain independent. The fans want to remain independent for the tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattman91 View Post
    I always thought they the NBC deal was the main reason they remain independent.
    The best info I could find (I'm lazy) is that the current NBC contract is for $15 million/year, and it runs thru the 2025 season. However, terms were not announced (in the ESPN article I found).

    I wonder if that contract specifies what opponents ND has to play...I can see that some of their rivalries are more attractive than others (e.g. USC, Michigan).

    So it's not clear if ND could somehow maintain that contract and still join the ACC, and if they did, how much revenue would they have to share from it? I doubt NBC would want to replace a Michigan game with one vs Wake, but who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattman91 View Post
    I always thought they the NBC deal was the main reason they remain independent.
    Hey, wait a minute, this is neither the Ymm, Beer or Ymm, Firearms thread. What are you doing here?

    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildeac View Post
    Hey, wait a minute, this is neither the Ymm, Beer or Ymm, Firearms thread. What are you doing here?

    My bad, I told him about the sports threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildeac View Post
    Hey, wait a minute, this is neither the Ymm, Beer or Ymm, Firearms thread. What are you doing here?

    Dammit!

    *I was never here*
    Psalms 27:1 The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattman91 View Post
    Dammit!

    *I was never here*
    #definitelynotmattman91; amirite?

    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

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    I have to wonder whether present-day Notre Dame still has the pull to extend the NBC contract next time at terms anywhere near as favorable. And whether anyone, even the SEC, will be able to do similar, post-COVID.

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    Jarhead always said he thought Navy would be a good fit for the ACC. It would seem more likely that ND would opt for permanent full (including Football) membership in the ACC if, ostensibly to keep at an even number of teams, added Navy as #16. Thoughts???*

    *I'll try sharing any with my dad, aka. Jarhead, next time I speak to him.
    -BuschDevil

    "...Man, who even now finds scarce breathing room on this vast globe, cannot retire from the Old World to some yet undiscovered continent, and wait for the slow action of such causes to replace, by a new creation, the Eden he has wasted".
    -George Perkins Marsh (1864)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuschDevil View Post
    Jarhead always said he thought Navy would be a good fit for the ACC. It would seem more likely that ND would opt for permanent full (including Football) membership in the ACC if, ostensibly to keep at an even number of teams, added Navy as #16. Thoughts???*

    *I'll try sharing any with my dad, aka. Jarhead, next time I speak to him.
    Please also share the fact that we've missed him and you at tailgates the last few years.
    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

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    I like Navy as an institution plenty but they bring very little in the expansion moolah calculus. The Army-Navy game, which runs unopposed a week after the conference championships, is a TV event. That doesn't mean any other Navy game is a TV event, Notre Dame a little I guess. They're respectable in football. No one talks about their other sports. The loss of Maryland isn't really that big a hit on the ACC, because the Virginia schools deliver the DC TV market. So it's not like Navy as a replacement for Maryland is a significant incentive. Like, are a whole bunch of flat panels in Baltimore suddenly going to be tuned to Navy-Wake Forest if Navy's in the ACC? Doubtful.

    Me, I'd love a geographically tight ACC with some schools that aren't particularly valued in NCAA hypercapitalism, like West Virginia, Navy, East Carolina. But I recognize that it's not 1957, so forget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuschDevil View Post
    Jarhead always said he thought Navy would be a good fit for the ACC. It would seem more likely that ND would opt for permanent full (including Football) membership in the ACC if, ostensibly to keep at an even number of teams, added Navy as #16. Thoughts???*

    *I'll try sharing any with my dad, aka. Jarhead, next time I speak to him.
    For football, Navy would fit fine. For basketball, and likely most other sports, they would be constant cellar dwellers.
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuschDevil View Post
    Jarhead always said he thought Navy would be a good fit for the ACC. It would seem more likely that ND would opt for permanent full (including Football) membership in the ACC if, ostensibly to keep at an even number of teams, added Navy as #16. Thoughts???*

    *I'll try sharing any with my dad, aka. Jarhead, next time I speak to him.
    I am 100 percent in favor of Navy to the ACC. Thatís a fantastic idea.
    Bob Green
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Green View Post
    I am 100 percent in favor of Navy to the ACC. Thatís a fantastic idea.
    Why am I not surprised?

    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

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    I'd trade Louisville for West Virginia. Or Cincinnati. Or a player to be named later, to be honest about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    I'd trade Louisville for West Virginia. Or Cincinnati. Or a player to be named later, to be honest about it.
    Xavier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Xavier?
    Does Xavier have a football team?

    Seems like a Jesuit university that plays big time basketball fits better in the Big East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Xavier?
    As long as Duke could play them in football every year.

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