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  1. #61
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    My vote has always been for someone that does have college coaching experience, both at Duke and elsewhere. Someone how has played in a Duke uniform, and became if not THE best recruiter that Duke has had, then one of the best.
    I vote Joy Cheek.
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Steven43 View Post
    I don’t know about that. I think McCallie should have resigned the moment Duke decided in the spring of 2016 to conduct an investigation into her and the women’s basketball program.

    Duke basically wasted the past four seasons with a permanently-damaged McCallie. The moment a university decides to go to the extraordinary step of investigating its own coach the writing is generally on the wall. It’s usually just a matter of time before the whole thing comes tumbling down. And now it has.

    Once it became clear McCallie was not going to resign Kevin White should have fired her. I still cannot believe he didn’t. It is a permanent stain on his record that will never be erased.
    In all fairness to Kevin White, he has been in a tough position with Coach P since he came to Duke. I'm not excusing his decisions but I get it. With no insider knowledge, I would imagine that he thought the HR investigation might have forced her to resign (i.e., she would quit on her own knowing that writing was on the wall with regards to not being retained once her current contract ended); but to P's credit, she didn't quit and basically dared White to fire her. If he had fired her, Duke would've owed her a lot of money. I believe she had retained a lawyer and was threatening a law suit against Duke if she was fired. White blinked; and allowed her to continue as HC once the HR report came back with nothing to support a "show cause" reason to fire McCallie. In hindsight, he probably should've had an outside firm come in and do the investigation; but again, I'm not sure he wanted to go to that expense to try to find proof of reasons to fire her and void the remaining years of her contract.

    As far as extending her contract years earlier, I thought that was a mistake; but again, I get it. She was coming off some fairly successful recruiting runs and was going to the elite 8. At that time, I'm not sure if Coach G, Alana or Lindsey would have been interested in the Duke job; and I'm not sure there was a good choice out there that was interested. With no "perceived" good alternatives out there then, White probably felt he had no other choice but to continue with McCallie. He probably thought it was the best choice financially for the program as well. I thought there were signs years ago that this relationship with Coach P was not going to work out; but as some pointed out to me in the past, there were statistical data that provided arguably strong support for keeping P.

    Personally, I think he was fine with the level of success McCallie had; and I don't think he was as focused on DWB winning NCs as he was getting Duke football back to being a legitimate program and keeping the DMB at an elite level. Obviously, one could argue that if this was the case, that thought process was part of the problem of why the DWB is in the position that it is now.

    I think the real person to blame is Joe Alleva. IMO, he never should've forced Coach G out. He hired McCallie and thought she would be the one to get DWB over the hump and win NCs.

    As far as the possibility of Coach G, I would love to have her back here. Count me as one of the ones that point to the success of Mack Brown as proof she would be successful again. Imo, let her coach at Duke for as long as she wants to and has the program at an elite level (which I believe she would do) while mentoring any or all of Alana, Lindsey, and Joy to be a HC; and potentially takeover the program whenever G was ready to step down this time. I could see G coaching into her 70s at Duke if she really wanted to come back to Duke and be the HC. I'm not concerned about any perceptions.

    I don't take joy in seeing Coach P resigned. While I was not a fan of her coaching philosophies toward defense and offense, I do think she genuinely loved being at Duke, representing the school, and being the HC of DWB. I wish her and her family well as they move forward on their new journey. With that said, I am extremely excited about the direction the DWB program can now go; and I hope Kevin White chooses wisely. If he can get this hire right, I believe he can erase any damage he cause by letting this McCallie saga continue for so long.

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    Ozzie’s Carrawell idea is intriguing.

    I’m surprised with all the idea slinging related to GG and Beard that no one has suggested Beard as head coach, and GG in some special assistant role.
       

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by fuse View Post
    Ozzie’s Carrawell idea is intriguing.

    I’m surprised with all the idea slinging related to GG and Beard that no one has suggested Beard as head coach, and GG in some special assistant role.
    I think GG wants to be a HC again in college and not a special assistant.

  5. #65

    Yes, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven43 View Post
    I think McCallie should have resigned the moment Duke decided in the spring of 2016 to conduct an investigation into her and the women’s basketball program.

    Duke basically wasted the past four seasons with a permanently-damaged McCallie. The moment a university decides to go to the extraordinary step of investigating its own coach the writing is generally on the wall. It’s usually just a matter of time before the whole thing comes tumbling down. And now it has.

    Once it became clear McCallie was not going to resign Kevin White should have fired her. I still cannot believe he didn’t. It is a permanent stain on his record that will never be erased.
    There is no question that once the press starting talking about all of the transfers, the many assistant coaches who left, and most seriously the alleged mistreatment of Duke WBB players, then everybody knew that recruiting was going to suffer and that Duke's won-loss record was going to suffer along with it. Nevertheless, I can certainly understand why McCallie would not walk away from a $1.3 million a year contract and why White would not want to eat (I think) $5.2 million to get her to leave.

    So I would say that the real problem was giving McCallie an extension in (I think) 2016. That is something that I have never understood and I expect I am not alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Class of '94 View Post
    As far as extending her contract years earlier, I thought that was a mistake; but again, I get it.
    You absolve White of a lot in your post, and I agree to some degree...but to correct a fact: the contract extention came after the investigation. There is no white-washing of that one. It was and is still a major head scratcher for me. Maybe they figured they'd be sued if they didn't extend her...but that doesn't explain the extremely lucrative raise, incommensurate with the results she was providing relative to her peers.

    I'm not sure I'll ever understand that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miramar View Post
    There is no question that once the press starting talking about all of the transfers, the many assistant coaches who left, and most seriously the alleged mistreatment of Duke WBB players, then everybody knew that recruiting was going to suffer and that Duke's won-loss record was going to suffer along with it. Nevertheless, I can certainly understand why McCallie would not walk away from a $1.3 million a year contract and why White would not want to eat (I think) $5.2 million to get her to leave.

    So I would say that the real problem was giving McCallie an extension in (I think) 2016. That is something that I have never understood and I expect I am not alone.
    It was 2017. a year after the investigation.
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  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by rocketeli View Post
    I remember the last time a Duke basketball program hired a coach that wasn't already a "big name" and IIRC it worked out pretty well.
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    Is it insane to throw out the name Katie Meier? She is one of the greatest Duke players of all time and has had some nice success at Miami including 2011 when she was AP's National Coach of the Year. Taking out her first 5 years, when she was building up what was one of the worst programs in the conference, she has an ACC record of 102-60 (.629). Miami ain't Duke in terms of reputation.

    She's 52, meaning she would be more than a stopgap solution and would be someone who you would expect to be in the job for more than a decade.

    Just a thought...

    -Jason "bias admission -- Katie was a good friend of mine when we were in school together (we are both class of 1989) and we played basketball together a good bit... she was obviously waaaay better than me" Evans
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Is it insane to throw out the name Katie Meier? She is one of the greatest Duke players of all time and has had some nice success at Miami including 2011 when she was AP's National Coach of the Year. Taking out her first 5 years, when she was building up what was one of the worst programs in the conference, she has an ACC record of 102-60 (.629). Miami ain't Duke in terms of reputation.

    She's 52, meaning she would be more than a stopgap solution and would be someone who you would expect to be in the job for more than a decade.

    Just a thought...

    -Jason "bias admission -- Katie was a good friend of mine when we were in school together (we are both class of 1989) and we played basketball together a good bit... she was obviously waaaay better than me" Evans
    I think 2007 was the time to pursue Katie. I could be wrong but I think that if Duke goes with someone in that age demographic it will be a home-run hire and as much as I like Katie personally, her program has been stuck in neutral for too long for her to be a home-run hire.

    In the absence of a home-run hire, I think Duke will go younger and cheaper.

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    Thank you Coach P for doing the right thing and giving the Duke Women's Basketball Program the opportunity for a fresh start which I am very excited about. I love Ms. Cheek, Beard and Harding but I hope we don't limit ourselves to folks with Duke ties. Coach G and and K had zero Duke ties and I think they turned out rather well. We also should look at promising young head coaches that have a track record, an exciting style of play and a desire to recruit and compete with the best. In my opinion, the Duke job will draw lots of interest. I wonder what Bobby Knight thinks - just kidding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Is it insane to throw out the name Katie Meier? She is one of the greatest Duke players of all time and has had some nice success at Miami including 2011 when she was AP's National Coach of the Year. Taking out her first 5 years, when she was building up what was one of the worst programs in the conference, she has an ACC record of 102-60 (.629). Miami ain't Duke in terms of reputation.

    She's 52, meaning she would be more than a stopgap solution and would be someone who you would expect to be in the job for more than a decade.

    Just a thought...

    -Jason "bias admission -- Katie was a good friend of mine when we were in school together (we are both class of 1989) and we played basketball together a good bit... she was obviously waaaay better than me" Evans
    I was thinking "what about the former Duke player that coaches at Miami"? Since I couldn't think of her last name, I didn't comment. I think Katie would be a good hire. Duke has some good options if most of them are interested in the job and I can't think of a reason not to be interested. I love Coach G but I'm not so sure she's the answer and not because she's 57 years young. I'm a little apprehensive because of her record at Texas.

    GoDuke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jv001 View Post
    I was thinking "what about the former Duke player that coaches at Miami"? Since I couldn't think of her last name, I didn't comment. I think Katie would be a good hire. Duke has some good options if most of them are interested in the job and I can't think of a reason not to be interested. I love Coach G but I'm not so sure she's the answer and not because she's 57 years young. I'm a little apprehensive because of her record at Texas.

    GoDuke!
    I don’t see Katie as a good hire at this point. She hasn’t had great success at Miami, and I think the program’s either in neutral or declining (sounds familiar.). Certainly a tougher place to Coach WBB, but she seems content there, and vice verse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    I think 2007 was the time to pursue Katie. I could be wrong but I think that if Duke goes with someone in that age demographic it will be a home-run hire and as much as I like Katie personally, her program has been stuck in neutral for too long for her to be a home-run hire.

    In the absence of a home-run hire, I think Duke will go younger and cheaper.
    Geno is getting up there, maybe he's looking for a warmer clime.

    (I know it won't happen, just stirring the pot)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudog84 View Post
    Geno is getting up there, maybe he's looking for a warmer clime.

    (I know it won't happen, just stirring the pot)
    he said one of the jobs he'd leave for was duke....men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dudog84 View Post
    Geno is getting up there, maybe he's looking for a warmer clime.

    (I know it won't happen, just stirring the pot)
    Is Adolph Rupp still alive?
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    Like espn or not, here's an extensive article on prospects:

    https://www.espn.com/womens-college-...nne-p-mccallie

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrishoke View Post
    Is Adolph Rupp still alive?
    Well, I thought about mentioning him but more relieved that you did. Or, *if* Rupp not available, how about Auerbach?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uh_no View Post
    You absolve White of a lot in your post, and I agree to some degree...but to correct a fact: the contract extention came after the investigation. There is no white-washing of that one. It was and is still a major head scratcher for me. Maybe they figured they'd be sued if they didn't extend her...but that doesn't explain the extremely lucrative raise, incommensurate with the results she was providing relative to her peers.

    I'm not sure I'll ever understand that one.

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    Maybe the extension was cheaper in dollars and PR than a potential lawsuit.

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    I mentioned her in another thread, but if you went with someone with non-Duke ties... Jennie Baranczyk of Drake would make some sense. She's been successful at a mid-major.. her teams are known for their high octane offenses... and she is just 38 years old.

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