WBB at a Crossroads

[-jk]

For those that don’t regularly get to the front page, Jim wrote a rather complete analysis of the current state of Duke’s women’s basketball program.

-jk

[hallcity]

Sounds like someone is pressuring McCallie to leave now by making public what she has been told privately, that her contract won’t be renewed. They’re not firing her but they’re trying to make it clear to her that her last season at Duke won’t be any fun as she has to deal constantly with questions about her situation and the future of the program. Her dream of a new contract isn’t happening. She needs to get realistic.

[devilseven]

Sounds like someone is pressuring McCallie to leave now by making public what she has been told privately, that her contract won’t be renewed. They’re not firing her but they’re trying to make it clear to her that her last season at Duke won’t be any fun as she has to deal constantly with questions about her situation and the future of the program. Her dream of a new contract isn’t happening. She needs to get realistic.

She has probably told Duke to pay me what you owe me, and I will leave now. Otherwise, I will keep cashing your checks until the end.

[duke74]

She has probably told Duke to pay me what you owe me, and I will leave now. Otherwise, I will keep cashing your checks until the end.

Why should she do otherwise? Can't blame her, no matter what I think about her coaching and the program.

[uh_no]

Why should she do otherwise? Can't blame her, no matter what I think about her coaching and the program.

well, for wanting what's legally owed her, anyway.

For better or worse, her previous contract extension will likely go down as the biggest blunder during an otherwise tenure of pretty good decisions for Dr. White.

[hallcity]

Why should she do otherwise? Can't blame her, no matter what I think about her coaching and the program.

I think there’s some advantage in quitting before you’re fired. If you negotiate your departure so that you quit instead of being fired, maybe you depart with somewhat less money but you leave with your head held high and maybe you have better employment options after you leave. I don’t know for sure but my impression is that that is what usually happens in these situations.

[uh_no]

I think there’s some advantage in quitting before you’re fired. If you negotiate your departure so that you quit instead of being fired, maybe you depart with somewhat less money but you leave with your head held high and maybe you have better employment options after you leave. I don’t know for sure but my impression is that that is what usually happens in these situations.

nobody is going to hire mccallie for what duke was paying her, and no A-list school is going to hire her after this tenure.

Unless she wants to take a massive pay cut for a small school to take a shot at her, her career is over.

I'll take the 1.2 million to show up to work for 6 months over having my "head held high."

[DU82]

nobody is going to hire mccallie for what duke was paying her, and no A-list school is going to hire her after this tenure.

Unless she wants to take a massive pay cut for a small school to take a shot at her, her career is over.

I'll take the 1.2 million to show up to work for 6 months over having my "head held high."

I'd expect her next job is at ESPN. (As long as she doesn't work with Debbie Antonelli, of course.) There are worse ex-coaches on there doing games.

As you mentioned, she's likely to coach one more year, take the money and retire from coaching (forced or voluntarily, doesn't matter.) $1.2M is a nice retirement nest-egg (along with previous earnings, of course.)

We're in for a lame duck season, should we be able to watch it. We pretty much expected for 2020-21 back in November, although after some of the early losses, such as to FCSU and USC-Columbia we might have expected it sooner. The coaching job she did in January and February was pretty good.

It would be interesting to take her attitude/coaching after the investigation with the talent of the early 2010s. As Jim mentioned, it's clear to many she changed her manner, although as others will mention, including those now banned from this forum, too little too late. I think the same people still don't forgive her for taking over for Coach G, and Coach P definitely made mistakes early with personnel and players (and with PR.) She came into a rough situation, with the men's GOAT one floor up in the tower, and replacing a well liked, well spoken predecessor. Then again, she was compensated very well for coming into that situation.

[duke2x]

I'd expect her next job is at ESPN. (As long as she doesn't work with Debbie Antonelli, of course.) There are worse ex-coaches on there doing games.

Eh, I'm not sure I could tolerate her habit of referring to players by jersey number, particularly if there is overlap between teams.

[chrishoke]

For those of us that love the Duke women's basketball program, this is a very sad situation - Duke is allowing the program to hit rock bottom.

[DU82]

For those of us that love the Duke women's basketball program, this is a very sad situation - Duke is allowing the program to hit rock bottom.

It was unlikely that anything was going to be done this very unusual off-season.

IIRC, there were only three coaching changes at the P5+BE level. Two (Villanova and Notre Dame) were retirements, one (Texas) was not-renewing a contract (where we'll likely be next off-season.)

(Of course, Texas created a fourth at Miss. St. but that's it.)

[miramar]

Eh, I'm not sure I could tolerate her habit of referring to players by jersey number, particularly if there is overlap between teams.

"Number 10 in the dark uniform clearly fouled number 10 in the light uniform, so I can't understand how they could have called a charge on number 10 in the light uniform."

[CamrnCrz1974]

I'd expect her next job is at ESPN. (As long as she doesn't work with Debbie Antonelli, of course.) There are worse ex-coaches on there doing games.

Will never happen.

During one of Duke's blowout losses to UConn (think it was the 2011-12 or 2012-13 season), McCallie went after ESPN's Beth Mowins after Mowins made a few jokes about Duke's performance while getting blown out by 30+ points. McCallie went up to Mowins at the next game that Mowins called and proceeded to yell at and berate her.

On multiple occasions (July 2016 and May 2018), she has blamed and attacked sports reporters for The Chronicle regrading blowback from her statements. She denied making some statements while claiming others were taken out of context. One of the student reporters who conducted an interview with her posted the entire audio recording to Twitter to defend himself from her attacks.

[devilseven]

Will never happen.

During one of Duke's blowout losses to UConn (think it was the 2011-12 or 2012-13 season), McCallie went after ESPN's Beth Mowins after Mowins made a few jokes about Duke's performance while getting blown out by 30+ points. McCallie went up to Mowins at the next game that Mowins called and proceeded to yell at and berate her.

On multiple occasions (July 2016 and May 2018), she has blamed and attacked sports reporters for The Chronicle regrading blowback from her statements. She denied making some statements while claiming others were taken out of context. One of the student reporters who conducted an interview with her posted the entire audio recording to Twitter to defend himself from her attacks.

Gaudio and Greenberg has similar histories, yet seem to be flourishing at ESPN.

[dukejim1]

What if any influence will Heather Ryan have on the McCallie decision and/or replacement? I don't know if Jackie Silar was a supporter or not but for some reason its hard to believe Silar liked the idea of so many young women transferring out of her beloved school.

[uh_no]

What if any influence will Heather Ryan have on the McCallie decision and/or replacement? I don't know if Jackie Silar was a supporter or not but for some reason its hard to believe Silar liked the idea of so many young women transferring out of her beloved school.

i imagine like any hiring decision, input and interviews will come from a variety of people. I imagine as associate athletic director and senior woman administrator, she would be one of them...especially given the WBB position represents the most prominent woman in the department.

[budwom]

One thing I fear is that with all the pressure now on athletic dept. revenue, Kevin White will probably choose to hire on the cheap...in which case he's going to have to be very savvy in selecting a younger replacement. You never know, you could get a Coach K or you could get a Bucky Waters.

[sagegrouse]

One thing I fear is that with all the pressure now on athletic dept. revenue, Kevin White will probably choose to hire on the cheap...in which case he's going to have to be very savvy in selecting a younger replacement. You never know, you could get a Coach K or you could get a Bucky Waters.

I think it's a new world. If we greatly reduce salaries for some HC positions, I suspect that many other schools will do the same thing, affecting the market price for, say, WBB head coaches. I know I'm living in the Dark Ages -- well, actually, quarantine -- but $1.3 million for Coach P seemed ridiculous at the time and seems ludicrous now.

[uh_no]

I think it's a new world. If we greatly reduce salaries for some HC positions, I suspect that many other schools will do the same thing, affecting the market price for, say, WBB head coaches. I know I'm living in the Dark Ages -- well, actually, quarantine -- but $1.3 million for Coach P seemed ridiculous at the time and seems ludicrous now.

I'd expect the new salary to be far more in line with what UNC is paying banghart (650k) than anywhere near what P is making today.

[budwom]

I'd expect the new salary to be far more in line with what UNC is paying banghart (650k) than anywhere near what P is making today.

Had Kevin White donned his thinking cap, Banghart could well have been our coach. But no...