View Poll Results: When will major pro or college sports resume in America?

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  • Summer: May - July

    8 8.99%
  • Fall: August - October

    41 46.07%
  • Winter: November - January

    17 19.10%
  • First half of 2021: Feb - June

    14 15.73%
  • Second half of 2021: July - Dec

    7 7.87%
  • 2022 or beyond

    2 2.25%
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  1. #261
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    I liked johnb's post, but I think (just my opinion) that he underestimates the extent to which colleges are addicted to television revenue to keep their athletic budgets afloat. As such I'm pretty sure you'll see Fall sports because the football TV money is too great for them to ignore...fans in the seats is quite another matter, you might have to wander down to SEC/Big 12 country to find packed stadiums... I'm not saying this is a good idea, just noting the current trade winds.

    Check out the Notre Dame president's comments, pretty clear he wants games and the revenue that just happens to come with it. If nothing else, colleges are money vacuums.
    I agree with you—schools and athletic departments have come to rely on the money (even when athletic depts lose money, it’s often still an overall PR/donation win for the college, and certainly a win for the football coach with the 7 figure salary—and athletic P&L’s are probably as straightforward as those related to big Hollywood movies, where the amount of “profit” is probably related to whose income is based on a percentage of profit).

    Anyway, I was talking about whether Duke should play football in the fall.

    The decision has become largely a political one for many big state universities. Hard to imagine the politicians and trustees involved in a land grant state university in a red state (eg, all the Big 12 or SEC schools) widely speaking out against playing football. It’d be akin to telling folks not go to church, which is most effectively/safely said from the pulpit.

    Lincoln Riley from OU is the first coach I’ve seen who’s said the early practices are crazy, but I think more will speak out, especially when players get sick or, more likely, infect their grandmothers or coaches.

    All the initial workout plans seems fine—distancing, packaged snacks, no showers, gloves, etc etc. but when the pedal hits the metal, both basketball and football involve a lot of respiratory interchange. I guess athletes can try to stay sequestered on campus, but many athletes come from inner cities where social distancing is a fantasy, and they’ll inevitably be socializing with students who can’t all be sequestered. Since some schools have already announced that their screening will consist of temp checks and testing only of the symptomatic (which is like saying that you’re screening for pregnancy by watching abdomens and ice cream consumption) there will inevitably be players who get sick.

    This is exactly the time when I’d like to see Duke tread water with its athletes for as long as possible, and, unless things get dramatically better, opt not to be reckless—regardless of what their peers decide.

  2. #262
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    The discussions about the Coronavirus that do not relate to sports should really be taken to this thread on the off-topic board. Please confine your discussions here to the issue of when and how sports return to action.
    I don't know what you are doing right now, but if you aren't listening to the DBR Podcast, you're doing it wrong.

  3. #263
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnb View Post
    I agree with you—schools and athletic departments have come to rely on the money (even when athletic depts lose money, it’s often still an overall PR/donation win for the college, and certainly a win for the football coach with the 7 figure salary—and athletic P&L’s are probably as straightforward as those related to big Hollywood movies, where the amount of “profit” is probably related to whose income is based on a percentage of profit).

    Anyway, I was talking about whether Duke should play football in the fall.

    The decision has become largely a political one for many big state universities. Hard to imagine the politicians and trustees involved in a land grant state university in a red state (eg, all the Big 12 or SEC schools) widely speaking out against playing football. It’d be akin to telling folks not go to church, which is most effectively/safely said from the pulpit.

    Lincoln Riley from OU is the first coach I’ve seen who’s said the early practices are crazy, but I think more will speak out, especially when players get sick or, more likely, infect their grandmothers or coaches.

    All the initial workout plans seems fine—distancing, packaged snacks, no showers, gloves, etc etc. but when the pedal hits the metal, both basketball and football involve a lot of respiratory interchange. I guess athletes can try to stay sequestered on campus, but many athletes come from inner cities where social distancing is a fantasy, and they’ll inevitably be socializing with students who can’t all be sequestered. Since some schools have already announced that their screening will consist of temp checks and testing only of the symptomatic (which is like saying that you’re screening for pregnancy by watching abdomens and ice cream consumption) there will inevitably be players who get sick.

    This is exactly the time when I’d like to see Duke tread water with its athletes for as long as possible, and, unless things get dramatically better, opt not to be reckless—regardless of what their peers decide.
    Hi Johnb, thanks for your posts here, I am enjoying them. A couple of quick points.

    1. Players that are on campus practicing should not be seeing their grandmothers. Schools need to have a quarantine period before students return home particularly if there are vulnerable people in the family home.
    2. a zero tolerance policy for illness among student athletes is not the right standard. That will not even be achievable when we have a vaccine. Ill students and ones who test positive will need to be isolated and "close" (as determined by public health experts) contacts will need to be quarantined. The question will be are there enough players left to field a team.
    "This is the best of all possible worlds."
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  4. #264
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    App State joins the growing list of schools that are dropping sports.
    Axed are men's soccer, men's tennis, and men's indoor track & field. Interesting that no women's sports were affected.

    https://www.wralsportsfan.com/appala...ield/19115063/
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

  5. #265
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnb View Post
    I agree with you—schools and athletic departments have come to rely on the money (even when athletic depts lose money, it’s often still an overall PR/donation win for the college, and certainly a win for the football coach with the 7 figure salary—and athletic P&L’s are probably as straightforward as those related to big Hollywood movies, where the amount of “profit” is probably related to whose income is based on a percentage of profit).

    Anyway, I was talking about whether Duke should play football in the fall.

    The decision has become largely a political one for many big state universities. Hard to imagine the politicians and trustees involved in a land grant state university in a red state (eg, all the Big 12 or SEC schools) widely speaking out against playing football. It’d be akin to telling folks not go to church, which is most effectively/safely said from the pulpit.

    Lincoln Riley from OU is the first coach I’ve seen who’s said the early practices are crazy, but I think more will speak out, especially when players get sick or, more likely, infect their grandmothers or coaches.

    All the initial workout plans seems fine—distancing, packaged snacks, no showers, gloves, etc etc. but when the pedal hits the metal, both basketball and football involve a lot of respiratory interchange. I guess athletes can try to stay sequestered on campus, but many athletes come from inner cities where social distancing is a fantasy, and they’ll inevitably be socializing with students who can’t all be sequestered. Since some schools have already announced that their screening will consist of temp checks and testing only of the symptomatic (which is like saying that you’re screening for pregnancy by watching abdomens and ice cream consumption) there will inevitably be players who get sick.

    This is exactly the time when I’d like to see Duke tread water with its athletes for as long as possible, and, unless things get dramatically better, opt not to be reckless—regardless of what their peers decide.
    That's a good take, john...I suspect Duke will cautiously move along with others. There's no telling as to how this will play out, I definitely agree that were it not for the Money (capital M) they'd probably consider it to be an illogical activity.
    I could definitely see some schools retreating on this if it becomes obvious that too many cases are occurring.

  6. #266
    UNC has announced this reopening schedule:
    June 1 — Facilities staff members
    June 8 — Sports Medicine staff
    June 12 — Coaching staffs for football, men's basketball and women's basketball
    June 12-July 1 — Football student-athletes, in four separate groups (June 12, 19, 26, 29)
    June 15 — Strength and Conditioning, Equipment and Administration staff members
    June 22 — Coaching staffs for field hockey, volleyball, men's and women's soccer and cross country
    July 6 — Men's and women's basketball student-athletes
    July 13 — Field hockey, volleyball, men's and women's soccer and cross country student-athletes
    August 3 — Coaches and student-athletes from the remainder of our teams, and remaining department staff members

    This seems incredibly aggressive at a time when there's no real evidence that Covid-19 is abating in NC. Circumstances are considerably more dangerous now that when student athletes were sent home in March. Will all the students return? Will older coaches, such as Roy Williams return? Under state guidelines, at his age, he has no business returning to work on campus.

  7. #267
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    ^ state guidelines seem to be out the window in NC and other places. The pressure has been too much...interesting test cases all over the country will be most informative, but the way things are playing out in NC, there's no way in the world I'd visit there now (as I so often do), and if I lived there I'd be hunkered down...I know how crowded those college dorms are, can't imagine how that's going to work out.

  8. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    ^ state guidelines seem to be out the window in NC and other places. The pressure has been too much...interesting test cases all over the country will be most informative, but the way things are playing out in NC, there's no way in the world I'd visit there now (as I so often do), and if I lived there I'd be hunkered down...I know how crowded those college dorms are, can't imagine how that's going to work out.
    FWIW, today Worldometer lists N.C. deaths from Coronavirus as 85/million population. The number of deaths per population size is substantially below most states East of the Mississippi. Not arguing that college dorms will be safe; but our deaths per million are comparatively low to date.

  9. #269
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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie View Post
    FWIW, today Worldometer lists N.C. deaths from Coronavirus as 85/million population. The number of deaths per population size is substantially below most states East of the Mississippi. Not arguing that college dorms will be safe; but our deaths per million are comparatively low to date.
    The fact is that hospitalizations are at an all time high there for the virus...and the five day rolling average of new cases/day is higher than it was 14 days ago...so the trend is not particularly good, certainly not so good as to justify a wide opening up of services...but I understand the forces being brought to bear...

  10. #270
    No word yet about athletics but at this point Duke is planning to reopen to students this fall. I hope it works.

  11. #271
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    I was talking to a member of the Duke media relations staff earlier this week. Duke has had internal discussions about when, where and under what circumstances the media will be allowed in. Will the Tuesday football media lunch become virtual? TBD.

    And I turned 70 earlier this month. Under what circumstances do I even want to attend games and media availabilities?

    That's why I get paid the big bucks, I suppose.

  12. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    I was talking to a member of the Duke media relations staff earlier this week. Duke has had internal discussions about when, where and under what circumstances the media will be allowed in. Will the Tuesday football media lunch become virtual? TBD.

    And I turned 70 earlier this month. Under what circumstances do I even want to attend games and media availabilities?

    That's why I get paid the big bucks, I suppose.
    They’re starting the semester on 8/17/20.
    https://coronavirus.duke.edu/2020/05...-on-fall-2020/

    I’m 70 too. This seems unwise to me.

  13. #273
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    Quote Originally Posted by hallcity View Post
    They’re starting the semester on 8/17/20.
    https://coronavirus.duke.edu/2020/05...-on-fall-2020/

    I’m 70 too. This seems unwise to me.

    Most of what I thought would happen did:

    - staggered arrival
    - testing before students allowed on campus
    - social distancing in classes that meet in person
    - limited in-person dining
    - restricted access to campus spaces

    Other things that duke followed suit on:
    - starting earlier and finishing before thanksgiving
    - no fall break
    - spring starts later
    - no spring break
    It's being reported that due to coronavirus fears, Harvard has asked students not to return from spring break, and for classes to be held online.

    Not to be outdone, UNC told students to stop coming to class 27 years ago under Dean Smith.

  14. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by uh_no View Post
    Most of what I thought would happen did:

    - staggered arrival
    - testing before students allowed on campus
    - social distancing in classes that meet in person
    - limited in-person dining
    - restricted access to campus spaces

    Other things that duke followed suit on:
    - starting earlier and finishing before thanksgiving
    - no fall break
    - spring starts later
    - no spring break
    I much prefer in-person dining to virtual dining. I find it much more satisfying

  15. #275
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    I was talking to a member of the Duke media relations staff earlier this week. Duke has had internal discussions about when, where and under what circumstances the media will be allowed in. Will the Tuesday football media lunch become virtual? TBD.

    And I turned 70 earlier this month. Under what circumstances do I even want to attend games and media availabilities?

    That's why I get paid the big bucks, I suppose.
    That is the geezer math right now, and as a fellow geezer I see zero chance of attending games this Fall...as much as schools are addicted to the football money, I suspect a lot of (non SEC) schools will not be hurrying to fill stadiums..got a new 55" TV arriving today to soften the blow .

  16. #276
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post

    And I turned 70 earlier this month. Under what circumstances do I even want to attend games and media availabilities?
    You do a fantastic job covering Duke sports and keeping us informed. I feel certain I speak for the community at large when I say STAY SAFE! Your personal health and well being is paramount.
    Bob Green
    DBR Survivor Football Champion
    2010 & 2016

  17. #277
    If a student gets the virus- they will be quarantined and others that they were in contact may as well. If Duke gives athletes an exemption- this will not go well. In addition all students must wear masks. Again I don’t see how this will work for sports. It is easier to have sports at the pro level- where they can operate with different rules and where there is a supply of minor leaguers and scout team players etc to fill needs- but unless schools decide to treat athletes as a special group- it will be very hard to have games in the Fall.

  18. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by dukelifer View Post
    If a student gets the virus- they will be quarantined and others that they were in contact may as well. If Duke gives athletes an exemption- this will not go well. In addition all students must wear masks. Again I don’t see how this will work for sports. It is easier to have sports at the pro level- where they can operate with different rules and where there is a supply of minor leaguers and scout team players etc to fill needs- but unless schools decide to treat athletes as a special group- it will be very hard to have games in the Fall.
    If a student tests positive, they will have to quarantine everyone they've been in contact with over the last ten days. That's a lot of leg work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    If a student tests positive, they will have to quarantine everyone they've been in contact with over the last ten days. That's a lot of leg work.
    And if an athlete tests positive, that’s the whole team under quarantine I guess.

  20. #280
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    If a student tests positive, they will have to quarantine everyone they've been in contact with over the last ten days. That's a lot of leg work.
    I don't see how that works in practice- It will be very disruptive on a campus- shutting down face to face classes and activities for half a month. They may quickly run out of room in the quarantine dorms. Hard to know how this will play out.
    dukelifer

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