Do sports, and more specifically NCAAB, return?

[hustleplays]

I apologize if the following statement has been posted previously. The Orange County Health Director, Quintana Stewart, wrote to UNC-CH on July 29 requesting that the University go to all remote learning for the Fall semester, but failing that, at least wait five weeks to begin in-person classes.

What impresses me is the accurate, detailed depiction of what she and her colleagues were seeing and what these observations indicated re the rapid spread of Covid. She and her colleagues appear to have been fully accurate, if not too conservative.

Obviously, the University rejected her request and advice.

The statement:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/134y...ew?usp=sharing

[johnb]

Wow, those numbers are astronomical. Is this the only study to date looking at cardiac abnormalities after covid recovery?

A NYT review from yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/o...t-disease.html

Here’s a sampling. Different rates are based partly on how they measure cardiomyopathy.

Medical journals:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2763843
https://www.tctmd.com/news/covid-19-...ts-front-lines
https://academic.oup.com/ehjcimaging...eaa166/5847971
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...912-0/fulltext
https://www.tctmd.com/news/covid-19s...nd-predictions
https://www.ajemjournal.com/article/...463-0/fulltext
https://www.heartrhythmjournal.com/a...625-1/fulltext
https://www.cureus.com/articles/3468...ed-myocarditis

Journalism
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...complications/
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/87758
https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/...e1888358d.html

Here’s an article on Eduardo Rodriguez, the top pitcher for the Red Sox, who’s out indefinitely because of post-covid cardiomyopathy:
https://hartfordhealthcaremedicalgro...5&publicId=395

People who rebound from covid-induced myocarditis may feel fine when walking around afterward, but it seems that an unknown percentage will have lingering disability. If they happen to play an aerobic sport, they’re finished as athletes.

[Matches]

Another school panics, 177 cases in a school as big as UNCCH doesn’t seem to warrant closing. Duke has apparently planned for over 200 quarantined students, so pro rate that.

In another week on the same trajectory they would have been over 1000 cases. In two weeks it would have been 10,000. I’m sure they did panic, in part due to their glaring and inexcusable lack of preparedness.

[budwom]

In another week on the same trajectory they would have been over 1000 cases. In two weeks it would have been 10,000. I’m sure they did panic, in part due to their glaring and inexcusable lack of preparedness.

I'm familiar with two of the dorms affected, and I just don't see how social distancing can be practiced there (Ehringhaus, James).

[chrishoke]

A NYT review from yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/o...t-disease.html

Here’s a sampling. Different rates are based partly on how they measure cardiomyopathy.

Medical journals:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2763843
https://www.tctmd.com/news/covid-19-...ts-front-lines
https://academic.oup.com/ehjcimaging...eaa166/5847971
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...912-0/fulltext
https://www.tctmd.com/news/covid-19s...nd-predictions
https://www.ajemjournal.com/article/...463-0/fulltext
https://www.heartrhythmjournal.com/a...625-1/fulltext
https://www.cureus.com/articles/3468...ed-myocarditis

Journalism
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...complications/
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/87758
https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/...e1888358d.html

Here’s an article on Eduardo Rodriguez, the top pitcher for the Red Sox, who’s out indefinitely because of post-covid cardiomyopathy:
https://hartfordhealthcaremedicalgro...5&publicId=395

People who rebound from covid-induced myocarditis may feel fine when walking around afterward, but it seems that an unknown percentage will have lingering disability. If they happen to play an aerobic sport, they’re finished as athletes.

Thanks for pulling all that together Johnb. Further study of these issues is obviously needed but it is already abundantly clear that there is a significant risk of life changing permanent damage.

[Tooold]

A NYT review from yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/o...t-disease.html

Here’s a sampling. Different rates are based partly on how they measure cardiomyopathy.

Medical journals:
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People who rebound from covid-induced myocarditis may feel fine when walking around afterward, but it seems that an unknown percentage will have lingering disability. If they happen to play an aerobic sport, they’re finished as athletes.

Wow. This is very scary and just shows how much we need to learn about this disease. The long-term risk to athletes, even young athletes, makes me more convinced that we should be erring on the side of caution. I would not want my child to be playing a contact sport this fall.

[Phredd3]

A NYT review from yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/o...t-disease.html

Here’s a sampling. Different rates are based partly on how they measure cardiomyopathy.

Medical journals:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2763843
https://www.tctmd.com/news/covid-19-...ts-front-lines
https://academic.oup.com/ehjcimaging...eaa166/5847971
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...912-0/fulltext
https://www.tctmd.com/news/covid-19s...nd-predictions
https://www.ajemjournal.com/article/...463-0/fulltext
https://www.heartrhythmjournal.com/a...625-1/fulltext
https://www.cureus.com/articles/3468...ed-myocarditis

Journalism
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...complications/
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/87758
https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/...e1888358d.html

Here’s an article on Eduardo Rodriguez, the top pitcher for the Red Sox, who’s out indefinitely because of post-covid cardiomyopathy:
https://hartfordhealthcaremedicalgro...5&publicId=395

People who rebound from covid-induced myocarditis may feel fine when walking around afterward, but it seems that an unknown percentage will have lingering disability. If they happen to play an aerobic sport, they’re finished as athletes.

I would like to nominate this post for inclusion in the Important Information on COVID-19 sticky on the Off-Topic board. This seems like a subject folks should be keeping in the back of their heads as they discuss what to do about this illness.

[johnb]

I would like to nominate this post for inclusion in the Important Information on COVID-19 sticky on the Off-Topic board. This seems like a subject folks should be keeping in the back of their heads as they discuss what to do about this illness.

Thanks (though there will inevitably be new data sets every few months for a while).

The tricky part is that chronic sequallae can't be really known until the virus has been around for a few years. It's just not clear what the long-term ramifications are of the myocarditis that has sidelined the Boston pitcher and has been found in the dozen NCAA athletes. It is increasingly clear that covid isn't just a respiratory virus but can cause lots of other stuff, like strokes and heart inflammation. Optimistically, the vast majority of these complications will go away and only a small number of people will have significant long-term problems. It's also not clear how often the heart inflammation will shave 10% off someone's cardiac capacity, which would hardly be noticeable unless someone were, say, an elite basketball player.

Several of my best friends got covid in March. All 4 are very energetic and certainly are not the types to complain or sit on the couch at the first opportunity. All 4 said it was the worst illness of their lives. Part of the pain was watching their p02 slide near hospitalization levels (anxiety + shortness of breath), but part of the difficulty was after the acute illness. Their doctors had moved on to more acutely ill people, but all 4 said they didn't feel the same for weeks/months later. One feels fine now, and 3 say they are still recovering physically. I don't think any has been checked for post-infection heart problems, but they definitely say they can barely exercise. They're all around 60, so it's njot like they're college athletes, but none had prior health conditions and all were very frisky (for the lawyers out there, one has billed more than 3000 hours/year for > 20 straight years. Ie, she's a total workhorse, and she says she's never felt anything like it).

Here's an article in a med school magazine about the experience of one of its internists (who's an acquaintance/colleague of mine). He's another highly energetic guy who got really beat down by his covid experience. https://news.weill.cornell.edu/sites...2020_final.pdf. His story is on page 16.

All of these folks are alive and don't count toward the mortality rate, but when people casually say that we can take this disease casually and add, "it's only 200 people here" and "only 2% of a large population" there, I can't help but see two things: long-term consequences and logarithmic spread.

[jimsumner]

Auburn football with 34 positive COVID-10 cases

https://www.yardbarker.com/college_f...&mb_loc=left_r

[hallcity]

Auburn football with 34 positive COVID-10 cases

https://www.yardbarker.com/college_f...&mb_loc=left_r

They're ahead of the game. They'll have herd immunity before the season begins.

Let's just hope no one ends up in the ICU or with permanent heart damage along the way.

[Namtilal]

They're ahead of the game. They'll have herd immunity before the season begins.

Let's just hope no one ends up in the ICU or with permanent heart damage along the way.

They might have heard immunity, if it exists. It is likely a partial immunity that might not even last the entire season.

[jimsumner]

Make that COVID-19.

[budwom]

So I know that mentioning unc athletics and students in the same sentence will get me nothing but mocking (and that's fine) but seriously, now that all students have been sent home from Chapel Hill, how in the world do they justify having football players on campus? I guess it's a tacit acknowledgement that they're semi-paid gladiators who have precious little to do with student life...

[Kjeffrey]

After the announcement yesterday, my husband wondered what Mack Brown thought of the decision. The headline of this article made me chuckle.

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/mack-b...team/19241484/

[duke96]

Coach K fighting hard for a (safe) season this year...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...all-tournament

[uh_no]

So I know that mentioning unc athletics and students in the same sentence will get me nothing but mocking (and that's fine) but seriously, now that all students have been sent home from Chapel Hill, how in the world do they justify having football players on campus? I guess it's a tacit acknowledgement that they're semi-paid gladiators who have precious little to do with student life...

I don't believe that's the case? Classes going virtual does not mean the students must leave campus in the general case. I have seen nothing that indicates students are being sent home...yet...but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Is there anyone connected to UNC here (i'm so sorry for you...) who can shed some light on specifics?

[Tooold]

After the announcement yesterday, my husband wondered what Mack Brown thought of the decision. The headline of this article made me chuckle.

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/mack-b...team/19241484/

A lot to chuckle about in this article:
*Mack actually said that, by canceling in-person classes (and presumably by removing other students from campus) it makes it more like the NBA bubble for the football players...I realize that is true, but is that the right way to look at this? Removing the students makes it safer for the athletes...
*They are using 6’ sticks in practice so the players know how far apart they need to be...well, 1) aren’t football players used to thinking in terms of yards, so shouldn’t they have a good sense of what 2 yards is? (I realize math is involved...) and 2) if they are trying to stay 6’ apart in practice, what happens during games
* He said that those players who actually HAD to go to class last week felt safe (no comment necessary...)

[budwom]

I don't believe that's the case? Classes going virtual does not mean the students must leave campus in the general case. I have seen nothing that indicates students are being sent home...yet...but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Is there anyone connected to UNC here (i'm so sorry for you...) who can shed some light on specifics?

this is interesting. I found one article that said "students have been sent home." But in this piece from unc itself they "expect" most students will change their residencies, so I guess we'll see:https://www.unc.edu/posts/2020/08/17...source=Twitter

Given their sardine can dorms, I can't see the benefit of sticking around unless they want to have party time downtown, which will surely raise the ire of the townfolk.

p.s. VT's state medical director drew a distinction (without criticism) today with unc, which did NOT (according to him) test returning students; UVM made that a hard and fast requirement, in conjunction with the state.
Seems a bit crazy to bring in 30,000 people from all over the place without testing, but I guess that's what they did, and this is what happened.

[Tooold]

I don't believe that's the case? Classes going virtual does not mean the students must leave campus in the general case. I have seen nothing that indicates students are being sent home...yet...but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Is there anyone connected to UNC here (i'm so sorry for you...) who can shed some light on specifics?

I am not connected at all, but I heard on one news report that, while students were not told they had to go home, they did have to leave campus. Not sure if that was real or fake news...

[Tripping William]

Meanwhile, in South Bend, cases are proliferating at Notre Dame:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-c...-campus-party/