Possibility of a Senior coalition for extra eligibility?

[sagegrouse]

"The NCAA’s Council Coordination Committee has agreed to grant relief for the use of a season of competition for student-athletes who have participated in spring sports.

Committee will also discuss issues for winter sport student-athletes."

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/sta...09859856924672

Anyway, not hoops --

In response to the cancellation of collegiate spring sports due to the coronavirus pandemic, the NCAA Division I Council Committee has recommended that eligibility relief be provided to all student-athletes who participate in spring sports.

"Details of eligibility relief will be finalized at a later time," the NCAA said in a statement. "Additional issues with NCAA rules must be addressed, and appropriate governance bodies will work through those in the coming days and week."

Spring sports include baseball, men's and women's lacrosse, softball and men's volleyball.

Not following closely, but the only hoops coach I have heard arguing for giving seniors another year is Geno Auriemma at UConn WBB. Dangerfield is a senior averaging 15 ppg

[dukebluesincebirth]

Anyway, not hoops --



Not following closely, but the only hoops coach I have heard arguing for giving seniors another year is Geno Auriemma at UConn WBB. Dangerfield is a senior averaging 15 ppg

Add Coach K to that list.

[dukelion]

Fairly agnostic about this going ahead but man would it make for an absolutely epic season next year.

So many mid-majors would be absolutely lethal next year.

Don't think it would help us out much (unless JRob came back) but the bottom rung of the ACC instantly becomes much better and would make for a crazy and super competitive year...probably to our detriment but fun nonetheless.

[arnie]

Coach K released a video supporting this. It is definitely not just a completely unrealistic out-there idea.

But the Cheat season ended before the cancellation and their players quit by halftime on Wednesday. Why should their seniors get another shot?

[wavedukefan70s]

My S.O.'s granddaughter's boyfriend is a senior on the golf team at Brown. He was notified on Monday that his season was cancelled, and was really, really bummed. Of course, as of this afternoon (Thursday), the ACC has done the same for all spring sports. Major bummer for the senior athletes, but understandable.

We were wondering the effect of seniors returning would have on incoming recruits .

[Wander]

But the Cheat season ended before the cancellation and their players quit by halftime on Wednesday. Why should their seniors get another shot?

They shouldn't. But either decision is going to be unfair to a lot of people, so I'd rather err on the side that is more favorable to the players. Besides, UNC was so awful that it probably hurts them to return more players

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

They shouldn't. But either decision is going to be unfair to a lot of people, so I'd rather err on the side that is more favorable to the players. Besides, UNC was so awful that it probably hurts them to return more players

Good point. However, every team in the SoCon except one had finished their season. Is it more fair to more players to give them extra eligibility?

[JasonEvans]

https://apple.news/AQgaTSgY6Sy25GczcmA84IQ

Looks like the NCAA is granting an extra year of eligibility to spring athletes. So baseball, golf, tennis, Lax... but not hoops, right?

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

https://apple.news/AQgaTSgY6Sy25GczcmA84IQ

Looks like the NCAA is granting an extra year of eligibility to spring athletes. So baseball, golf, tennis, Lax... but not hoops, right?

Likely a first step. Much easier decision than the winter sports. As I mentioned elsewhere, lots of conferences had either completed or nearly completed seasons. It's complicated.

[lotusland]

We need a backup 5 next year and JRob, Javin, and Jack would fit that mold perfectly so I’m onboard with this

Jav returning would also give us another 5 fouls in 5-7 minutes of PT in the post before fouling out. Would love for JRob return but would a red- Shirt 4th year grad student be eligible if they do include basketball in the relief sports?

[weezie]

Won't the NCAA have to loosen the scholarship restrictions, meaning total allowed on a team?
Maybe 2 repeating seniors per team might be reasonable?

[proelitedota]

What if seniors that are on teams that qualified for the tourney, are allowed to play only for the tourney next season?

They are also allowed to play in practice.

[Dukehky]

What if seniors that are on teams that qualified for the tourney, are allowed to play only for the tourney next season?

They are also allowed to play in practice.

Who qualified for the tournament though? What about those kids who would have played in the NIT? It just gets to be such a mess.

I don't think this will happen. I don't think it's practicable. They got 4 whole years. The NCAA tournament is awesome, but only 1 team wins.

[dukelifer]

Who qualified for the tournament though? What about those kids who would have played in the NIT? It just gets to be such a mess.

I don't think this will happen. I don't think it's practicable. They got 4 whole years. The NCAA tournament is awesome, but only 1 team wins.

This year 68 teams and their fans cried at the end of the season. Usually it is only 67.

[uh_no]

Who qualified for the tournament though? What about those kids who would have played in the NIT? It just gets to be such a mess.

I don't think this will happen. I don't think it's practicable. They got 4 whole years. The NCAA tournament is awesome, but only 1 team wins.

yeah no chance of that proposal flying. Either seniors get an extra year of eligibility or they don't...there are too many corner cases if they tried anything else. If the school doesn't have a scholarship, then the school can sort it out as they would any other "injury red shirt" type situation. Of course that student is free to transfer as any other fifth-year-senior would be.

I bet the NCAA concedes just because it makes them look good and doesn't cost them much, and obviously the biggest name in each of women's and men's ball is calling for it.

[devil84]

Thinking of not just basketball but many other winter sports at the entire range of collegiate levels how many athletes would come back simply to compete for one more season? A small percentage will go pro for life changing money. Absent going pro, they otherwise (hopefully) have planned what they are doing after graduation in about two months, something like employment or grad school. Sure, there are some that could require or desire another year to complete their degree, but I'm guessing the majority of senior athletes have plans that they wouldn't want to put on hold for a year. How many athletes would be interested in coming back for a year, particularly those who have a fraction of a scholarship, or no scholarship at all?

If there are only a few athletes, the NCAA can take it on a case by case basis.

As far as some teams being completely done by losing in their tournament, could you argue that there was fear of infection or uncertainty about the tournament, like the "with or without fans" issue, that could have affected play of those that lost prior to cancellation of the tournament? Without the uncertainty and fear, *could* they have won their games and went on to win their conference tournament, even in the face of impossible odds? I don't think it should be limited to only those schools who were in or likely to be in. All or nothing.

[knicknut]

It's quite selfless of K to support this publicly, considering it would help other schools/teams a lot more than Duke, since this ended up being one of Duke's weakest senior classes (J-Rob's emergence notwithstanding).

Imagine the difference in public reaction if we actually had a couple key seniors as contributors...

[grad_devil]

My school is dealing with this issue currently.

Note: we're a small D2 school (partial scholarship model) with limited athletics funding. I'm the Faculty Athletics Rep (FAR).

Granting an extra year of eligibility to those in spring sports is the right thing to do. However, the devil is in the details.

For example, one of our teams have signed all of the incoming freshmen recruits, and those recruits have signed financial aid agreements. It's great that some of the seniors can now come back, but their scholarship monies have been reallocated to these incoming freshmen.

In D2, your scholarship award is a one-year award and your coach must let you know by a specified date if your aid is reduced/canceled. If the aid is to be reduced/canceled, you have an opportunity to file an appeal and be heard by a faculty committee.

So if you're on the faculty committee - which I am - how do you rule if an appeal is made because a senior's aid has been canceled? It's obviously not the player's fault - they should get their extra eligibility after a truncated season. It's also not the coach's fault - they had to recruit for the following year and sign incoming players, attracting those players with the promise of scholarship money.

Giving a scholarship to both the incoming student and the returning student seems to be the right answer - and the NCAA will give a blanket waiver when it comes to scholarship equivalencies - but the real issue is here is where will that money come from? Most schools (especially small liberal arts institutions) are fighting their own financial issues, and there aren't extra funds lying around.

Of course we will grant a release without any restrictions to any student-athlete that wants to transfer, but that, unfortunately, doesn't solve the issue of wanting to finish your senior season with your team/teammates.

Like I said; the devil is in the details. While I know this isn't the most important thing going on right now, trying to figure out how to do right by the student-athletes as well as maintain our financial solvency will be an interesting story line over the next several months.

[lotusland]

It's quite selfless of K to support this publicly, considering it would help other schools/teams a lot more than Duke, since this ended up being one of Duke's weakest senior classes (J-Rob's emergence notwithstanding).

Imagine the difference in public reaction if we actually had a couple key seniors as contributors...

Depth at center is the biggest hole in next year’s lineup. Javin would be the presumptive starting center next year. Jack and JRob would be welcome depth. Last year Vrank was the only senior. Next year AOC and JGold. Having Grayson back as a Senior was unexpected. I’m not saying K was self-serving but, in the OAD era, this is a pretty good senior class.

[Deslok]

Other possible stipulation... another year is granted to those who actually graduate. I’m not going to argue about what’s a worthwhile degree or any other such nonsense. But the NCAA has publicly made it a goal for schools to have students in good academic standing. I haven’t thought long and hard on this, but it would seem a positive message that would serve multiple ends.