MBB: Duke 88, NC State 69 Post-Game Thread

[Reddevil]

Maybe it's time for K to bust out the Jimmy V triangle and two they have been secretly working on all season.

[mkirsh]

Agree 100%. State was killing us in M2M off the switch on the high ball screen, and for whatever reason we kept defending (and failing at) it exactly the same way over and over. Have Carey hedge on the screen, have Tre go under for once, do SOMETHING different, because putting Carey on Johnson isn't working. Switching to the zone took this set away, and State was not disciplined enough to continually get (and make) shots against the zone. Our first possession in zone they drained a 3, but kudos to K for sticking with it a bit longer and playing the percentages. For State, it was like Pedro Cerrano suddenly trying to hit a curve ball. We started to get runouts off of missed shots and turnovers, which led to easy transition buckets, and we started attacking the rim and moving without the ball (FINALLY) on offense). It was a classic case of defense creating offense.

Did anyone else think our 2/3 look was a bit wonky in that we pushed pretty high off the baseline and were giving up the alley oop and the corner 3s pretty regularly? It effectively took away the top of the key from State, and we were willing to live with them shooting FT line jumpers. Also unusual is how well we rebounded out of the zone.

My biggest worry is that UNC just torched Syracuse's zone, and Anthony has the ability to run the pick and roll effectively. I'm not ready to go to the zone full time (yet), but if it does work to break up the high ball screen we struggle with so much, I'm all for it being in our arsenal.

I agree with this. The analytics will show that the zone was very effective, but the eye test showed huge gaps in the zone (FT line and baseline as you mentioned) that State didn't take advantage of. I'm not ready to say we are a good zone team yet or that it should be our base defense despite the effectiveness against State.

Also, while I share your concern that Cole Anthony is a good PNR player, UNC's historical insistence on playing 2 bigs does clog the drive/roll lanes more than someone like State or Clemson that played us 5 out, which I hope limits UNC's effectiveness in trying to exploit or PNR defense.

[rsvman]

Maybe it's time for K to bust out the Jimmy V triangle and two they have been secretly working on all season.

LOL. It worked pretty well for Rick Majerus at Utah that time they went to the Final Four, too, but Coach K has shown ZERO propensity toward ever using anything that anybody would ever describe as a "junk defense."

Personally, for what it's worth (and it's not much), I believe that defensive flexibility is a plus, not a minus; meaning that even "junk defenses" are called for and work well in certain situations. Aggressive man-to-man, sagging man-to-man, pack line, 2-3 zone, 1-3-1 zone, zone press, man press, triangle and two-----they all have their time and their place. The goal of the game is to score more points than the opponent; in other words, to WIN the game. Any approach that results in that outcome is legit to me, even if somebody else calls it "junk."

[devildeac]

LOL. It worked pretty well for Rick Majerus at Utah that time they went to the Final Four, too, but Coach K has shown ZERO propensity toward ever using anything that anybody would ever describe as a "junk defense."

Personally, for what it's worth (and it's not much), I believe that defensive flexibility is a plus, not a minus; meaning that even "junk defenses" are called for and work well in certain situations. Aggressive man-to-man, sagging man-to-man, pack line, 2-3 zone, 1-3-1 zone, zone press, man press, triangle and two-----they all have their time and their place. The goal of the game is to score more points than the opponent; in other words, to WIN the game. Any approach that results in that outcome is legit to me, even if somebody else calls it "junk."

Giving up 113 points to Wake, even if it happened in 2OT, could also be referred to as "junk" defense.

[uh_no]

Giving up 113 points to Wake, even if it happened in 2OT, could also be referred to as "junk" defense.

28 points in 6 minutes. #NeverForget

[mgtr]

And by win out I mean through the National Championship. Let Carey do his thinh. except don'get suckered up near the top of the circle. Playmore like a bigman does in a zone. Two guards handle the ball, and feed either drivers from the side o r 3pt shooters from the side. This scheme might be great, at least for a change of pace.

[Scorp4me]

Goldwire was better than solid; he was good. He has improved so much in his ability to finish drives. Earlier in his career he had multiple embarrassingly horrendous layup attempts. His stat line from last night: 38 minutes, 11 points, 5 assists and 6 rebounds on 5 of 7 shooting with only 2 turnovers.

And yet some feel the "5th starter" is still up in the air. I just don't understand it.

[Saratoga2]

Giving up 113 points to Wake, even if it happened in 2OT, could also be referred to as "junk" defense.

like Junk it.

[jv001]

And yet some feel the "5th starter" is still up in the air. I just don't understand it.

I'm less concerned in who starts as I do who plays effective defense and contributes on offense as well. And I would like to see that at the beginning of the game, not when we get down 10 or more points. Letting the opposing team get confidence right from the opening tip has been a biggggggg problem for most of the year. Now is the time to change that against the CHEATS.

GoDuke!

[killerleft]

like Junk it.

The Junkin defense was great for Duke Football back in the day.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

The Junkin defense was great for Duke Football back in the day.

...true...but considered to this day by some the biggest bust in Cleveland Brown draft history (and that's saying some). Never understood why he wasn't a successful pro. I guess Marty Schottenhemier wonders the same thing.

Now, back to hoops...