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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    This gets at an interesting point about the direction of basketball, and perhaps sports more generally: given the emphasis on youth, there is little room for "late bloomers" anymore. There's a reason there are so few stories of players at a high level who "blossom" their senior years anymore: guys with that potential typically don't even get a look by top programs. Honestly, JG may be an exception that proves the rule, and could be one of the last ones for a while.

    In another universe, J Rob gets recruited by an ACC level school, redshirts his first season to develop his game and his body, and by his junior/senior year becomes a productive college basketball player. But we just don't live in that universe anymore. I don't remember much about J Rob's recruitment, but I don't believe he got any significant offers, right?

    Not saying that this is a positive or a negative necessarily, just the current state of play. I do think it's a pretty unique thing in sports (again particularly in basketball, but this holds true generally) that we expect to be able to fully identify the cream of the crop at age 18/19. Is there any other (perhaps non-entertainment based) profession in which this is the case? Heck, in my field (scientific research) you don't get your PhD until you're in your mid twenties, and that accomplishment just gets you in the door of the research world. No one has to make a definitive judgement one way or the other whether you have a "future" in the field until your in your late 20s, at the earliest.

    Sports are unique, and basketball extremely so, for better and for worse.
    I'm pretty sure J-Rob got full scholarship offers from a few D-1 schools in smaller conferences, but he chose to commit to Duke as a walk-on instead.

  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by kako View Post
    Thanks for the post. So then here's a guy the team can rally around, and he in turn can keep the fire lit beneath the underclassmen. This is his last go-around, there is no next year for him. The NBA does not await him, his last game in a Duke uniform could be the last game he ever suits up for. He's a role player at best, but if he can get people to play for him (and White and DeLaurier), then that could be a key element in any championship run. This Duke team needs to come out smoking each and every game in order to have its best shot to win. Here's hoping JRob can inspire that fire.

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    There’s a whole world of options to suit up if that’s the way he wants to go. Hope he inspires a fire regardless!

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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    Can anyone make an evidence based case for why J-Rob doesn't play more? I know he's usually playing against the other team's subs and all, and there's quite a few guys ahead of him on the forward depth chart but the guy always seems to make big plays whenever he's in the game, and it fires up the team, which can be hard to quantify, but I think is unquestionably a boost for the team.

    He hits perimeter shots, plays pretty good interior defense, and seems to have some finishing ability at the rim as well. If he's the highest b-ball IQ guy on the team, why isn't he able play a bigger on-the-court role for this team? Can he really not contribute as a stretch 4 type of role player off the bench when our other forwards aren't performing well?
    I can't help but compare Justin and Javin and I've asked myself the same question. Like you mentioned, J-Rob get's most of his playing time against the other teams subs. But to me he looks more comfortable and less clumsy than Javin. I thought this would be the year that Javin took the leap into Zoub territory and play a MSU type game when called on. But those games have been infrequent. The coaching staff sees both in practices, so Javin must out perform J-Rob on a consistent basis.

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  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by jv001 View Post
    I can't help but compare Justin and Javin and I've asked myself the same question. Like you mentioned, J-Rob get's most of his playing time against the other teams subs. But to me he looks more comfortable and less clumsy than Javin. I thought this would be the year that Javin took the leap into Zoub territory and play a MSU type game when called on. But those games have been infrequent. The coaching staff sees both in practices, so Javin must out perform J-Rob on a consistent basis.

    GoDuke!
    I love what Justin has done in limited minutes against garbage-time competition, but Javin is approximately a zillion times more athletic and a much, much better defender (notwithstanding Justin's unreal block rate).

  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    I love what Justin has done in limited minutes against garbage-time competition, but Javin is approximately a zillion times more athletic and a much, much better defender (notwithstanding Justin's unreal block rate).
    I wouldn't use the term athletic for Javin but that's just from my eye test. I don't think Javin would be any better against the other teams subs. Well unless it was against MSU. I can't think of another Duke player who is as clumsy as Javin. To me, he's a poor mans Casey Sanders. But that's just me. I know that won't be a popular post but it's how I see it. However, I root for Javin every time he's on the court and I'll be rooting for him tomorrow night against the Deacs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    Can anyone make an evidence based case for why J-Rob doesn't play more? I know he's usually playing against the other team's subs and all, and there's quite a few guys ahead of him on the forward depth chart but the guy always seems to make big plays whenever he's in the game, and it fires up the team, which can be hard to quantify, but I think is unquestionably a boost for the team.

    He hits perimeter shots, plays pretty good interior defense, and seems to have some finishing ability at the rim as well. If he's the highest b-ball IQ guy on the team, why isn't he able play a bigger on-the-court role for this team? Can he really not contribute as a stretch 4 type of role player off the bench when our other forwards aren't performing well?
    Yeah. Cus he's an upperclassman playing under Coach K. Zinger!

    In fairness, I can't really explain why Jack White doesn't play much either. Jack is a muuuuuuch better defender than AOC, Hurt, or Baker and offers good spacing and decent 3pt shooting. Yet, he's played a total of 21 minutes in the last 4 games.
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    I'm lucky enough to be able to be in Cameron March 7th, and win or lose, I can't wait to hear JDL's and J Rob's speeches, both for different reasons.
    J Rob was never leaving like DeLaurier may have had the chance to. Obviously Marques opted out.
    But Justin came to Duke knowing he would never be a star, and in the process he became one in his own way. I beyond hope that we beat the snot out of Carolina so bad that he gets a standing O after playing 10 minutes in two weeks. But even if he never leaves the bench in a sad loss, I'm sticking around to give him my thanks.
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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by jv001 View Post
    I wouldn't use the term athletic for Javin but that's just from my eye test.
    He's fast, he can jump, and he has quick hands and feet on defense. How else could you describe that except "athletic"?

  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    He's fast, he can jump, and he has quick hands and feet on defense. How else could you describe that except "athletic"?
    1)He's fast but falls over his own feet. 2)He can jump when he get's a running start but not if he has the ball. 3)He may have quick hands but he loses a lot of passes and rebounds 4)and for moving his feet, see #1. We just see him differently. Nothing wrong with that.

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  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    I'm pretty sure J-Rob got full scholarship offers from a few D-1 schools in smaller conferences, but he chose to commit to Duke as a walk-on instead.
    It's not clear to me whether he did actually seek, or get, scholarship offers from other schools. He applied early decision to Duke and was admitted, then was offered and accepted a position as a preferred walk-on. https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/mens-basketball/article9248138.html He was offered a scholarship before the season started because one was available. https://www.dukechronicle.com/articl...ustin-robinson

    Although I can't find a source to confirm this now, I seem to remember reading at the time that Robinson hoped to go to Duke in any case and did not talk to Coach K about a walk-on position before applying.

  11. #31
    Such a great person and teammate. This is an example of a young man who followed his dream and managed to attend the college her wanted as well as to be a part of a great program. In this day and age, it is hard to find young adults that are willing to put aside their egos and their family pedigree to leave their own legacy which JRob now has.

  12. #32
    Just half time, but I’m ready to cast my MOTM vote now!

  13. #33
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    He’s not athletic, he’s kinda slow, and he doesn’t have anywhere close as much talent as most of the players on the team, but he’s smarter than all of them. Sometimes you just need a guy who knows what to do coming off the bench.

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    2020 Robinson = 2010 Zoubek

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utley View Post
    2020 Robinson = 2010 Zoubek
    Did someone say late bloomer? This could be as huge as Goldwire's emergence. K is definitely reading these boards (but not for tips!! lol).

    A line-up of Carey, Hurt, Robinson, Moore and Jones is VERY long. Could be warming up for a team like Baylor.

  16. #36
    He’s my MOTM no matter the outcome.

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    It is stunning that JRob had the opportunity to foul out of an ACC game.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Phredd3 View Post
    It is stunning that JRob had the opportunity to foul out of an ACC game.
    Agree, but mainly cause of the not-so-stunning foul out by Javin. I also think JRob has shown he can contribute in crunch time and hope he gets more opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaDave View Post
    Did someone say late bloomer? This could be as huge as Goldwire's emergence. K is definitely reading these boards (but not for tips!! lol).

    A line-up of Carey, Hurt, Robinson, Moore and Jones is VERY long. Could be warming up for a team like Baylor.
    I would go with Cassius over Moore.

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  20. #40
    How about Carey, Hurt, Stanley, Moore and Tre with Javin, JGold, JRob/Jack, AOC and Joey as options off the bench. Then upperclassmen as the second unit can, well should, add leadership and experience.

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