PlagueWatch 2020-23 - Coronavirus

[CDu]

Bribery with sunshine and soft serve ice cream continues here. % of people with at least one dose, for age group 70-74 is 98.5%, 92% for 65-69, 30-39 is 70%...but the 18-29 grouping is still down at 48%...if an app could jump out of an iPhone and give a jab, that's one way to get to them...

Nationally, we are lagging Vermont but doing fairly well: 85% of the 65+ population, 61% of all adults, 49% of the overall population.

[MChambers]

I was initially very excited to get my 12 and 15 year olds vaxxed. But the recent reports of myocarditis diagnoses among teens after being vaxxed has caused me a bit of hesitancy. The reporting is frustratingly lacking in details or data — just general statements that the incidence of post-vax myocarditis in this young population seems to be no different than it is for the unvaccinated within the same age group. If true, that would certainly suggest minimal to no incremental risk. But I’ve not been able to dig up anything with more information than this. Any experts here have any better insight? Thanks!!!

Here's a brief piece on the myocarditis issue: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...t-and-vaccines

Based on this, it doesn't seem to be a real problem, but more info is needed.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Here's a brief piece on the myocarditis issue: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...t-and-vaccines

Based on this, it doesn't seem to be a real problem, but more info is needed.

Given the many suggestions that infection from COVID 19 may dramatically increase these complications, the math seems straight forward to me.

[TeacherTom]

I I met a porter I did not like. I did not think it was possible, Founders. I bought a six pack and couldn't wait to crack one. At the first taste, it was "sus" as the kids say. It then began to spiral downward towards a Cat 1 IMO. Anyway, I have five remaining. As an aside, I have Scottie Barnes brother in my class. I was thinking about buying an FSU jersey for him to sign but changed my mind.

[YmoBeThere]

I I met a porter I did not like. I did not think it was possible, Founders. I bought a six pack and couldn't wait to crack one. At the first taste, it was "sus" as the kids say. It then began to spiral downward towards a Cat 1 IMO. Anyway, I have five remaining. As an aside, I have Scottie Barnes brother in my class. I was thinking about buying an FSU jersey for him to sign but changed my mind.

I think you meant to post in the Ymmm, Beer thread. Unless you were traveling Amtrak recently.

[TeacherTom]

I think you meant to post in the Ymmm, Beer thread. Unless you were traveling Amtrak recently.

I did. It was my mistake. I'm sitting here on my break not paying attention. I apologize. TT

[Indoor66]

I think you meant to post in the Ymmm, Beer thread. Unless you were traveling Amtrak recently.

Actually, it fits in quite fine.

[YmoBeThere]

I did. It was my mistake. I'm sitting here on my break not paying attention. I apologize. TT

Actually, it fits in quite fine.

No worries, it certainly added a different flavor to the pandemic.

[budwom]

Perhaps the CDC needs to get TikToking.

Man, they are trying everything, hats off to the Gov. He's taking the jabs everywhere to entice The Recalcitrants...beaches, ice cream parlors, everywhere...channeling his inner Winston Churchill, we will jab you on the landing grounds, we will jab you in the fields, we will jab you in the streets...

He's even trying logic for the Whiners: 76% of the eligible population here has at least one jab (maybe higher by now), and he's stated that the day we hit 80%, everything opens up, bars, restaurants, you name it...otherwise his commitment is to open everything up on July 4, but we'd all appreciate an earlier start.

[cspan37421]

Actually, it fits in quite fine.

I can think of a Mexican beer that would have fit in better, though.

[Indoor66]

I can think of a Mexican beer that would have fit in better, though.

Now we need a 20 page commentary on Mexican beer. 😁

[budwom]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...came-credible/

for those who get the WaPo, interesting timeline on how the notion of the virus emanating from a lab is gaining a lot more credence...it's not just your crazy uncle's crackpot theory any more, but still nothing definitive.

A New Yorker article a few months back showed how the Chinese hampered the original investigation (despite WHO statements to the contrary) but they do that on lots of things, so in and of itself it's not a smoking gun...

[cato]

Upthread I expressed my disappointment that the WIV lab leak theory was not being discussed dispassionately. In particular, I felt that media coverage was too quick to latch on to conclusory statements by a handful of scientists who could not have known all that much at the time.

I am happy to see that turning around: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...came-credible/

[Neals384]

Lengthy article from Nicholas Wade comparing "natural bat origin" and "lab escape" theories of SARS-CoV-2 origin.

https://nicholaswade.medium.com/orig...es-6f03564c038

Also, a tweet rebutting one portion of Wade's article.

https://twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/sta...07230848032772

[Neals384]

Man, they are trying everything, hats off to the Gov. He's taking the jabs everywhere to entice The Recalcitrants...beaches, ice cream parlors, everywhere...channeling his inner Winston Churchill, we will jab you on the landing grounds, we will jab you in the fields, we will jab you in the streets...

He's even trying logic for the Whiners: 76% of the eligible population here has at least one jab (maybe higher by now), and he's stated that the day we hit 80%, everything opens up, bars, restaurants, you name it...otherwise his commitment is to open everything up on July 4, but we'd all appreciate an earlier start.

Only in Las Vegas...go to a strip club, get the jab.
https://apnews.com/article/las-vegas...a26fcb8480f67c

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Only in Las Vegas...go to a strip club, get the jab.
https://apnews.com/article/las-vegas...a26fcb8480f67c

On the other thread you posted that your wife just got the jab, so...

(just kidding!)

[duke79]

Lengthy article from Nicholas Wade comparing "natural bat origin" and "lab escape" theories of SARS-CoV-2 origin.

https://nicholaswade.medium.com/orig...es-6f03564c038

Also, a tweet rebutting one portion of Wade's article.

https://twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/sta...07230848032772

Thanks for the links. I don't have the background or training or knowledge to know if the argument that Wade makes in his article is true BUT it DOES seem like a well-researched and powerful argument in favor of a lab "leak" causing the world-wide Covid outbreak.

[MChambers]

Lengthy article from Nicholas Wade comparing "natural bat origin" and "lab escape" theories of SARS-CoV-2 origin.

https://nicholaswade.medium.com/orig...es-6f03564c038

Also, a tweet rebutting one portion of Wade's article.

https://twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/sta...07230848032772

Here's an article criticizing Wade's hypothesis, in that noted liberal publication, Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/startsw...m-a-wuhan-lab/

I don't know enough to know who's right, but Wade has drawn a lot of criticism for this piece.

[cato]

Here's an article criticizing Wade's hypothesis, in that noted liberal publication, Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/startsw...m-a-wuhan-lab/

I don't know enough to know who's right, but Wade has drawn a lot of criticism for this piece.

I stopped reading the Forbes article as soon as it started focusing on “conspiracy theories” and “biological weapons.” Why are so many people spending so much time talking about these two things?

Assuming the virus is 100% natural in origin, it is hardly a conspiracy theory to inquire whether the virus crossed over into the human population in a lab or in a different location. There is certainly some basis for speculating that it happened in the lab context, as noted in the WaPo timeline I linked above.

No one has enough information to make any conclusions on this point and I wish more journalists would be more upfront about this. Too many of them seem to want to argue with crackpots instead of cover the actual question.

[CDu]

Thanks for the links. I don't have the background or training or knowledge to know if the argument that Wade makes in his article is true BUT it DOES seem like a well-researched and powerful argument in favor of a lab "leak" causing the world-wide Covid outbreak.

Maybe. It also seems like a slant piece from a controversial author as opposed to a purely objective analysis by Wade. Nearly every sentence in the "natural" section is laced with derogatory statements. And as has been noted in the tweet mentioned in the previous post, his article is potentially based on very questionable statements that he is taking as his strong evidence that covid was man-made.

It might well be true that it is manmade, but I don't think this slant piece should be persuasive.