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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    Hold on skippy...do people claim the team is sick every time we lose?????...or do some people speculate the team is sick when we look like we're dead on our feet????

    I suspect the first is just rhetorical blather...while the second, more nuanced description, is actually what happens.
    Every regular season loss to a non top ranked team. Every time, including both losses this season.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by WakeDevil View Post
    Once the game starts, nobody is "looking ahead." They got beat.
    The game was pretty close- Clemson did not play out of their heads. Duke got killed on the boards though and as such never could get separation. Duke has been rebounding well but not tonight. Maybe just an aberration. We shall see.

  3. #43
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    This is not a very good team when you don't get any production from either Alex, Hurt, or Baker (injury). Someone needs to stretch the defense so the opposition can't collapse on Vernon and take away Stanley's slashing lanes.

    No need to call out any names as there were plenty of poor plays by every player who saw the court tonight.

    Let's just regroup and get ready for Saturday.

  4. #44
    They played really well and we had a bad night. Itís the first game where I felt like we really missed Wendells athleticism and spark off the bench.

    Hurt made a God awful entry pass in the first half to AOC I believe and got the hook. Am I right that he never got back in? I missed the first 8-9 min of the second half. No one has run colder and hotter this season than MH.

  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by freshmanjs View Post
    Ah yes, upholding the tradition of claiming the team is sick every time we lose. At least itís predictable.
    No one claimed anyone was sick. I just wondered aloud if Hurt MIGHT be sick given he seemed so out of sorts tonight.
    ďCoach said no 3s.Ē - Zion on The Block

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by freshmanjs View Post
    Every regular season loss to a non top ranked team. Every time, including both losses this season.
    I did not blame the loss of sickness - I wondered what happened to Hurt. There is a big difference

  7. #47
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    This game reminded me of the Miami loss in 2015 where the point guard bragged afterwards that he knew how to beat us. Tonight we kept overplaying 30 feet from the basket, bringing over a help defender to protect against a screen, then they'd cut to the basket and pass to a wide open man in the paint. Repeat 20 times. I was hoping we would dial back the pressure or go zone or something, but we never adjusted. On the offensive end it felt like 75% of our turnovers were caused by lobbing it aimlessly into the paint when Vernon was double teamed and not open at all. I don't know what we were thinking.

    The full court press was effective but we don't have the personnel to play it for 20 full minutes. We got a couple turnovers but gave up twice as many wide open threes, and it really wore us out. Stanley was a guy we could ill afford to lose as we started the game down two wing players, but after he picked up his fourth he may as well have stayed out of the game because he was so determined to not foul out that he played matador defense at the rim the rest of the way.

    Foul shooting was bad but somewhat offset by good three point shooting. If we had hit one fewer three and made three more free throws then I think the percentages would be fairly in line with our season percentages. And that includes Tre's banked-in three and another from the top of the key where it looked like the ball slipped out of his hand and somehow still went in. Goldwire's confidence was shot after missing those two layups, he was clearly afraid to shoot after that. He did hit that big three to cut it to 5. Alex missed several layups, as did Carey. Lots of things went wrong.

    Great game from Jack, loved seeing him knock down a couple threes, grab tough boards, generate turnovers and capitalize on a couple close in buckets. We needed contributions from more guys and to better capitalize on our advantage in the paint, but just didn't get it done. Javin gave us nothing, Hurt gave us basically nothing.

    Big picture-wise I'm not too down about the loss. Looking forward to seeing how we respond Saturday.
    Last edited by UrinalCake; 01-14-2020 at 09:53 PM.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by dukelifer View Post
    The game was pretty close- Clemson did not play out of their heads. Duke got killed on the boards though and as such never could get separation. Duke has been rebounding well but not tonight. Maybe just an aberration. We shall see.
    We got outplayed and out coached

  9. #49
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    Hurt with 2 pts, 4 rebounds and 2 turnovers and some weak passes in few minutes. ESPN does not give minutes this early. Alex 4 pts, 1 rebound, 1 assist, 2 turn overs and some weak defense. Javin 0 points, 1 rebound, 2 fouls and some pretty weak defense. Goldwire played a pretty good game with 6 points(2 threes), 4 assists, 1 turnover and 4 steals, but I would rather see him shoot a 3 pointer than layups(missed 3). Jack played a really good game and helped us come back, 9 points on 3/4 and 2/3 on 3s, 5 rebounds and 2 steals. Carey, Tre and Cassius had their usual games except for missing foul shots( 8 misses total). We only had 4 offensive rebounds against 7 for Clemson and Vernon had all four for the good guys. In my mind, the way we came out flat set the tone for an upset. They got the lead, felt good about themselves and hit some threes that I considered house money. No pressure. I would think it will be a long trip back for our guys. Especially for some of our players.

    GoDuke!

  10. #50
    After watching Hurt tonight, I find it difficult to believe he will be drafted into the NBA in the 2020 draft. I don't think he took a shot and turrned the ball over. He needs to play more agressively and wisely.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by SCMatt33 View Post
    Game flow wise, this game really stunk to lose because Duke missed chances to take the lead sooner than they did and once they did, they missed chances to extend it a bit and gave it right back. Vern has some off nights and is not particularly great at guarding a forward out on the perimeter and it showed early. By the end of the game, though, he looked totally gassed and from about 5 minutes left to two minutes left, got caught standing on both ends of the court several times. And thatís actually not to knock him. Those moments are going to happen with a traditional big man. He doesnít have a 40 minute a night motor and his minutes have been well managed, but I was shocked that he was left in the game coming out of the under four timeout and then after making some bad plays and picking up fouls I was even more surprised. I was at least expecting offense/defense subs. Not sure the rationale behind that one.

    Stats wise, it was nice to be in the game at all despite the turnovers, bad defense, and missed layups and free throws. I guessed it was offset mostly by good three point shooting and Clemson missing their own free throws.
    Play some zone once in awhile

  12. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull City Proud View Post
    We got outplayed and out coached
    I mean, yeah. I think itís this simple.

    Clemson played really well.
    Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things. - Winston Churchill

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  13. #53
    coming into tonight, acc home teams 16-22 in conference games

    Big Ten: 86.5 (32-5)
    Pac-12: 70.0 (14-6)
    SEC: 63.2 (12-7)
    Big 12: 60.0 (9-6)
    Big East: 57.9 (11-8)
    ACC: 42.1 (16-22)

    yeah, tough to win on road.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by dukelifer View Post
    The game was pretty close- Clemson did not play out of their heads. Duke got killed on the boards though and as such never could get separation. Duke has been rebounding well but not tonight. Maybe just an aberration. We shall see.
    Clemson shot pretty out of their heads, compared to what they normally do. This is a team routed by South Carolina on that same court.
    Don't waste your time on House of Cards S6!
    -We found out Frank was critical to making anyone else in the show interesting...not a surprise...

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Bull City Proud View Post
    We got outplayed and out coached
    With 4 minutes to go- it was a 3 point game. Duke certainly had their chances. Just did not execute.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by freshmanjs View Post
    Every regular season loss to a non top ranked team. Every time, including both losses this season.
    Find someone who has CLAIMED we were sick tonight....versus merely wondering about the possibility. Again, there's a huge difference in those situations (and no, I'm not one who has wondered about it on theses forums...).
    Don't waste your time on House of Cards S6!
    -We found out Frank was critical to making anyone else in the show interesting...not a surprise...

  17. #57
    My thoughts? Clemson is a basketball school now...?

  18. #58
    Court rush at the end. It was their Super Bowl. Our team has to understand we get every teams best shot. Mack played like he was possessed.

  19. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saratoga2 View Post
    After watching Hurt tonight, I find it difficult to believe he will be drafted into the NBA in the 2020 draft. I don't think he took a shot and turrned the ball over. He needs to play more agressively and wisely.
    I vaguely recall he had a dunk or a layup within the first minute of the game, then nothing the rest of the way. He plays great against weaker opponents, but really struggles against physical defenders. On the other end he's not a great defender himself which I think explains why he couldn't stay on the floor more.

  20. #60
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    A few thoughts:

    1. Credit to Clemson for spreading us out on offense and mixing in zone on defense. Without Moore and Baker, those were particularly good strategies.
    2. The missed free throws and layups hurt.
    3. Carey dominated inside until Clemson was allowed to get extremely physical with him with seeming impunity. I start feeling uncomfortable the moment I realize Mike Eades is reffing our game. SMH.
    4. A key play in the game was Stanley picking up his fourth foul on a frustration foul. A game changer as it limited his playing time and limited his defensive effectiveness when he was able to return. He is a difference maker.
    5. Road wins in the ACC can never be taken for granted.
    6. Canít wait for Saturday.

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