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  1. #41
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    If it's ~6 weeks, which I would think is a safe bet, that puts him back February in time for the game @ NCSU.

    Here's the Duke schedule in a 4ish-6ish week return time:

    @ Georgia Tech
    vs. Wake Forest
    @ Clemson
    vs. Louisville
    vs. Miami
    vs. Pitt
    @ Syracuse
    @ Boston College <--------- 4 weeks
    @ u*NC
    vs. FSU <--------- 5 weeks
    vs. Notre Dame
    @ NCSU <-------- 6 weeks
    vs. VT
    @ WF
    @ UVA
    vs. NCSU
    vs. UNC

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    I did, but I was hoping it would slip by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    Especially after the Florida State game this weekend it's becoming clear that Louisville will go as far as Nwora takes them
    Except that Nwora had a monster game and Louisville still lost. So maybe limiting everybody else is the key? Regardless, we have a few games to get things figured out. Schedule is pretty light up until then (though not taking anything for granted).

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    Yep

    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    I did absolutely jinx this with my front page article... ugh. I even resisted from including "barring injury" and I still jinxed it!

    But, as many have said, if we had to continue our curse of one bad injury every year, this would be the year we can weather it, especially on the wing. Moore has averaged 22 mpg this season: a combo of Cassius, Joey, Alex, and even Jordan and Matt (it small or big lineups, respectively) can easily soak up those minutes.

    The most important thing, IMHO, is going to be if either Joey or Alex can step up and "claim" these minutes. In the long run having one of those guys contributing more consistently as "shooting option A", with the other falling into a "B" role, would probably be a huge benefit down the line.
    You beat me to it! Thanks for admitting it, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    Except that Nwora had a monster game and Louisville still lost. So maybe limiting everybody else is the key? Regardless, we have a few games to get things figured out. Schedule is pretty light up until then (though not taking anything for granted).
    Good point. I will say that that game was an odd one... watching it it didn't look like Nwora was having an especially great game, but then of course he still had 30+ points very efficiently so that wasn't the case. Perhaps it was because he was just making difficult shots? Or I wasn't watching the game with the level of attention I thought I was? Haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MChambers View Post
    You beat me to it! Thanks for admitting it, however.
    I swear I had a conscious moment where I deleted the phrase "barring injury" and replaced it with "barring something unusual" exactly so I wouldn't jinx it. Maybe it was consciously thinking about the jinx that jinxed it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty_B View Post
    I find this unseemly and not something to talk about at a time like this.

    -Jason "and if anyone says, 'I bet Jason had the exact same thought the moment he heard about this injury' I will strenuously deny it " Evans
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  9. #49
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    is there a doctor in the house?
    My daughter is an MD, but she pulls for UNC.

    I have failed as a father.

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    This is a terrible loss. IMO, Wendell had been given more playing time early on that might not have been as deserved, based on early returns. I think Coach K anticipated this gamble, sticking with Wendell, would pay off and then it really did.

    Wendell is one of the best on the roster at driving into the paint. He has a real multi-dimensional, plug-the-holes aspect to his game, kind of like Jack White, but at a different position. Wendell is a key part of this team.

    This is a significant hit, but you never know how other guys are gonna step up. Maybe Joey, Alex, or JGold get some extra PT and look even better. Fingers crossed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilYouKnow View Post
    My daughter is an MD, but she pulls for UNC.

    I have failed as a father.
    Depends on her Medical specialty. (Okay I'm not sure exactly where I'm going with this. All the kickers I came up with were just too macabre to post.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    I find this unseemly and not something to talk about at a time like this.

    -Jason "and if anyone says, 'I bet Jason had the exact same thought the moment he heard about this injury' I will strenuously deny it " Evans
    Agreed. I hope he has a Justise-like end to the season, hangs two banners and goes top-20 in the draft next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty_B View Post
    I mean, if he comes back during the regular season, I don't know what will have changed. It's unfortunate that he injured his shooting hand, but a hand injury is not a career threatening injury, and he will have plenty of time to lead Duke to a national championship and prove he's worthy of going one and done if that was indeed his destiny.

    The reality is that he was already looking like a multi-year player, regardless. Although he has improved since the beginning of the season, he doesn't have good NBA measurables (other than his size), and his offensive skills are still well below what would be average for a lottery pick. Wendell's value to this team, and likely his future NBA team(s) is his versatility. He's pretty decent at a number of things on both ends, but not exactly great at any one thing (yet), which I actually view as a negative in terms of his NBA potential. Unless you're a superstar, the NBA is all about specialists, so he will need to develop at least one NBA-quality skill (in his case, most likely perimeter defense) between now and whenever he declares for the draft.

  14. #54
    It depends on which finger(s) or part of the hand affecting which fingers how his game will be affected. This is about a 2 month general full recovery for the average person -- but there is also stiffness and flexibility that takes more time. But in sports (and with Duke medicine), adrenaline and playing with discomfort is a norm. I think there's enough support with the deep bench that they can give Moore additional time to recover. And should. However, I think there will be a slight drop off (that could get picked up). Wendell has been playing great on both ends. He's been a good glue guy like Tre -- good passer too and getting into the lane on offense and disrupting the other team's passing. We won't know to what extent until we see the next game. It's not going to be so much about shooting on offense -- but all the other attributes. I think this is an opportunity for Cassius to play a bigger and much needed role with Wendell out for a while. My guess is without more details -- it's going to be 1.5 months. I'm basing this on recovering from hand surgery (per an earlier post, no i'm not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night). Whether or not that means 100% or with some stiffness and soreness just depends on how well the surgery and the rehab is going. Good news is that Wendell can still run and move and stay in game shape. So it all just will depend when the hand feels good.

    Sorry this happened to W. He got hit hard -- and was holding his hand long after and was cause for concern. Was hoping for a better outcome.

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    Next man up. I would think Alex and Joey would like to step up their games,but Wendell will be missed. To me he has been more like Chris Carrawell in size and style than Justice Winslow. Having Chris as a coach will benefit O'Connell's and Baker's needed improvements in their ball handling and decisions. Goldwire is better at defense so his playing time will go up. That Miami game was so enjoyable to watch. Hope this team will continue to distribute the ball like that game and stay tough as nails on defense.

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    Thanks for that incognito news tip. Never knew that. Perhaps some of you using chrome to see if this works. Duke probably has great surgeons but Dr, Shin is the best. A classmate of mine Dr Andrew Klein and a Duke alum is the head of transplant surgery at Cedars Sinai.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/steven-...s&page=1&pos=1

    Dr. Klein
    https://carey.jhu.edu/about/leadership/boards-councils/deans-alumni-advisory-board/andrew-kleinurl]https://www.wsj.com/articles/steven-shin-drew-brees-stephen-curry-hand-surgeon-11578004217?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1[/url]
    WSJ is the best for real news . Not cheap, but is my only subscription on line, Only news that I trust.
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  17. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by uh_no View Post
    well, there IS the confouding factor that if he came back earlier, it might derail the Warriors ability to tank for a lottery pick.
    Yes, this is a fair point. This article from a local SF rag (The Examiner) includes input from a NY-based hand specialist about Curry's injury, which was a fracture to the second metacarpal:

    I’m having a hard time imagining how a second metacarpal fracture takes three months to heal,” said Osei, a product of the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and a hand and upper extremity specialist at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York. “I can’t come up with any scenario. There’s some other piece to this puzzle that’s not clear … Maybe they are being ultra-conservative in getting him back, given the state of the team. Maybe it makes sense, given what’s going on with the team.”

    Also interesting - my takeaway is, let's hope that there was no dislocation that accompanied the fracture:

    "“Maybe it was more of a dislocation,” said Osei, who has not examined Curry, but has operated on a handful of other NBA players. “That’s possible — where he broke the bone, it came out of the joint, and that would explain it — but index metacarpal fractures almost irrespective of location will heal — the bone part — within six weeks, with or without surgery.”

    Recovery time could be added or subtracted depending on where along the length of the second metacarpal the fracture occurred. Metacarpal neck fractures — which occur near the knuckle — are quicker to heal, and typically occur due to a punching motion. Breaks closer to the wrist — a more high-impact, high-energy injury, which is what the two-time MVP likely sustained — are commonly associated with dislocation, and while they heal quickly, the hand’s strength may take longer to return.
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    Wait. Is there consideration of a hand transplant? Would that make recovery faster or slower?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallyman View Post
    Wait. Is there consideration of a hand transplant? Would that make recovery faster or slower?
    Nate James’ hand is being prepped ... need clearance from NCAA ... Nate’s hands are registered weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty_B View Post
    Vernon Carey Jr. was born 3 days before that Duke-Maryland game. So we've reached the point where the joke is almost older than the current roster.
    So that would make it one of the newest jokes in my repertoire.


    Have you heard the one about Ramses and Moses playing golf? I was there!

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