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  1. #21
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    Rendon to Angels for seven years and $245m. Going to miss seeing him in a Nats uniform. Bummed they didnít make a better run at him. They convinced the fans that they didnít pursue Bryce hard last year because they needed money to retain Rendon. I know they didnít expect Stras to opt out but they are only paying him $10m more per year than they were previously. They could have make this work. Thanks to Rendon for his years in DC and for the WS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkirsh View Post
    Rendon to Angels for seven years and $245m. Going to miss seeing him in a Nats uniform. Bummed they didnít make a better run at him. They convinced the fans that they didnít pursue Bryce hard last year because they needed money to retain Rendon. I know they didnít expect Stras to opt out but they are only paying him $10m more per year than they were previously. They could have make this work. Thanks to Rendon for his years in DC and for the WS.
    As a Braves fan I am happy with what Washington has done this offseason. Letting Rendon go and signing Strasburg to what is in my opinion way too much money and for far too long is about the best outcome I could have hoped for other than getting Rendon for ourselves.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyNotCrazie View Post
    Miller should be in. But otherwise these "Modern Era Committees" do not make sense to me. Simmons had plenty of chances to get elected, but it didn't happen. What has changed, other than perhaps the softening of the criteria, which is a huge slippery slope.
    Simmons played most of his career for crappy teams in a ballpark that suppressed offense. I understand that Johnny Bench's comment about Simmons getting in was, it's about time. Simmons is deserving.

  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUKIECB View Post
    $36 million a year for 9 years to throw a baseball. Good grief. I hate the Yankees.
    Don't mean to pick on you, but I hear this sentiment a lot and think there are multiple angles involved.

    1. If you think that as a society we over-value athletes and undervalue teachers, cancer researchers, whatever, then I likely will agree with you, but I'll also say that the market is telling us something different. And unless we want to get involved in a long (and likely banned by DBR) discussion about tax and income redistribution policies, the free market is the driving force here.

    2. If you think that a team tying that much of its payroll up in one player, and as a result not having funds under the salary cap/luxury tax to adequately address other needs, then I think that argument has merit as well.

    3. If you believe the teams spend too much money on payroll and should cut back, then this is where I am going to disagree. I would rather teams spend money on players instead of the owners pocketing the extra cash. I also don't believe the argument that says teams should lower payroll and reduce ticket prices. Ticket prices are determined by demand not cost, and if owners drop prices then that would allow ticket brokers to profit on the arbitrage without the fans seeing the real savings.

    Sorry for the rant (and again, not directed at you), but I think the "players get too much money" discussion is nuanced and worthy of more discussion.

  5. #25
    Anybody musing over the MLB-minor leagues contretemps?

    Once we discussed the whole picture, my baseball loving son convinced me it's good for the overall health of the game. Tighten up the minors AA, A, IL, and put more concerted effort in producing more big league ready players.

    So, alert the commish, I'm ok with it.
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  6. #26
    Josh Donaldson to the Twins on a 4-year deal. After setting an mlb record for HR's and finishing second overall in runs scored in 2019, that should be some offense this summer.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ns-sources-say
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    Josh Donaldson to the Twins on a 4-year deal. After setting an mlb record for HR's and finishing second overall in runs scored in 2019, that should be some offense this summer.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ns-sources-say
    As a Braves fan this stinks. Donaldson is from Alabama, loved playing in Atlanta, said he would like to stay and still left even though the Braves upped their offer to a comparable 4 year deal. Apparently the option for the 5th year did it but now we're out a good third baseman and clean up hitter. Ugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUKIECB View Post
    As a Braves fan this stinks. Donaldson is from Alabama, loved playing in Atlanta, said he would like to stay and still left even though the Braves upped their offer to a comparable 4 year deal. Apparently the option for the 5th year did it but now we're out a good third baseman and clean up hitter. Ugh
    As a Nats fan it's disappointing not to get him in DC, but him leaving the Braves is a nice consolation prize. I am surprised at the contract - at $92M for 4 years it's lower than what he reportedly was asking for ($110/4) and in line with what I had thought the Nats and Braves had offered. Maybe something about the incentive structure is superior in the Twins deal, or maybe he just wanted to make a move to the AL. Assuming no Arenado or Bryant trades, almost all of the big free agents are off the board, so what teams have now is likely what they are going with until the trade deadline. Pitchers and catchers in 4 weeks!

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    Aybe

    Quote Originally Posted by mkirsh View Post
    As a Nats fan it's disappointing not to get him in DC, but him leaving the Braves is a nice consolation prize. I am surprised at the contract - at $92M for 4 years it's lower than what he reportedly was asking for ($110/4) and in line with what I had thought the Nats and Braves had offered. Maybe something about the incentive structure is superior in the Twins deal, or maybe he just wanted to make a move to the AL. Assuming no Arenado or Bryant trades, almost all of the big free agents are off the board, so what teams have now is likely what they are going with until the trade deadline. Pitchers and catchers in 4 weeks!
    Maybe the Nats and Braves offered less than the rumors indicated. Heís awfully old for that size contract.

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    Josh who? Braves sign Ozuna away from the Cards and they did it on the cheap. 1 year $18 million. Most thought it would take 3 years and $50 mil. I think this is a good deal for the Braves, they don't break the bank and they keep all their top prospects.

  11. #31
    Oh, it's hot.

    The Boston Red Sox and Los Angeles Dodgers have agreed to a blockbuster deal that will send former MVP Mookie Betts and left-hander David Price to Los Angeles for a package that includes outfielder Alex Verdugo, sources tell ESPN.
    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-price-dodgers
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  12. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    This sucks. The competitive balance in baseball is a joke. How could a team already as talent laden as the Dodgers have the kind of money to pay two players of this caliber? Ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUKIECB View Post
    This sucks. The competitive balance in baseball is a joke. How could a team already as talent laden as the Dodgers have the kind of money to pay two players of this caliber? Ridiculous.
    The Dodgers only had the 7th or 8th highest payroll prior to the trade (and were about the 11th highest for purposes of the competitive balance tax). The Red Sox are eating a chunk of Priceís contract, so the Dodgers still shouldnít be over the competitive balance tax threshold in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Diablo View Post
    The Dodgers only had the 7th or 8th highest payroll prior to the trade (and were about the 11th highest for purposes of the competitive balance tax). The Red Sox are eating a chunk of Priceís contract, so the Dodgers still shouldnít be over the competitive balance tax threshold in 2020.
    Just looked it up and they are now second to the Yankees at $209 million. The Rays, Pirates, Marlins and Orioles don't have that much payroll combined. It just seems baseball could do more to make the league more competitively balanced. I just get tired of NY and LA and a handful of other teams going shopping for whoever they want every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUKIECB View Post
    Just looked it up and they are now second to the Yankees at $209 million. The Rays, Pirates, Marlins and Orioles don't have that much payroll combined. It just seems baseball could do more to make the league more competitively balanced. I just get tired of NY and LA and a handful of other teams going shopping for whoever they want every year.
    Or, of course, force the laggards to spend more to acquire or retain their players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duke74 View Post
    Or, of course, force the laggards to spend more to acquire or retain their players.
    Yes, I'm not placing all the blame on the teams that spend as they are simply taking advantage of the current setup which is to their advantage. MLB should force those bottom feeder teams to spend but at the same time keep the teams with the most money in check. There's a lot of talk about the state of the game and things they can do to improve the product (making literal changes to the game itself) but not so much when it comes to competitive balance. I think the game would be followed by a much larger audience if your team actually had a chance to compete. As it stands right now there's about 80% of the entire league's fanbases realizing their team has about a snowballs chance in hades to win anything this year when we haven't even started spring training yet. That's not a model that is going to sell a lot of tickets.
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  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by DUKIECB View Post
    Just looked it up and they are now second to the Yankees at $209 million. The Rays, Pirates, Marlins and Orioles don't have that much payroll combined. It just seems baseball could do more to make the league more competitively balanced. I just get tired of NY and LA and a handful of other teams going shopping for whoever they want every year.
    As a Dodgers fan, I will note that last year's team had no one who was first a bigtime player elsewhere. The current Dodgers organization has done a fantastic job of scouting and developing their own players or acquiring guys who were not stars elsewhere and developing them into stars (e.g., Turner, Muncy). This trade definitely changes that, but it isn't really how the Dodges have built a consistent oh-so-close-to-a-World-Title team in recent years. A lot of their payroll has come from retaining players who earned their money by performing with the Dodgers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke79UNLV77 View Post
    As a Dodgers fan, I will note that last year's team had no one who was first a bigtime player elsewhere. The current Dodgers organization has done a fantastic job of scouting and developing their own players or acquiring guys who were not stars elsewhere and developing them into stars (e.g., Turner, Muncy). This trade definitely changes that, but it isn't really how the Dodges have built a consistent oh-so-close-to-a-World-Title team in recent years. A lot of their payroll has come from retaining players who earned their money by performing with the Dodgers.
    Exactly. The current core mostly came up through the Dodgers' farm system (Kershaw, Bellinger, Seager, Buehler, Jansen, Urias, Smith, Barnes, Beaty, Lux, May, Gonsolin, etc.) or were acquired on the cheap and retooled (Taylor, Turner, Muncy).

    For a Braves fan to complain about the Dodgers' building a roster through free agent "shopping" is just silly. The Dodgers' free agency results consisted of signing three pitchers with question marks (Treinen, Wood and Nelson) to cheap one-year deals, and the biggest free agent contract they have given out under Friedman's entire five-year tenure was to AJ Pollock (which maxes out at $60 million over 5 years, if he exercises his option). Moreover, every single Dodgers free agent last year (Ryu, Hill, Martin, Freese, Negron) left. The Braves, on the other hand, spent $100 million more than the Dodgers in free agency this offseason, and they had another $80-$90 million on the table for Donaldson (he just turned it down for the Twins).

    The Betts/Price deal was not even a matter of shopping; it was a trade that required the Dodgers to give up a lot of value. The Dodgers parted with their top prospect going into last season (Verdugo, who had a good rookie campaign, putting up 3.1 bWAR in only 106 games, and is under control for five more years) and a cost-controlled starter (Maeda) who was under contract for four more years. They have also parted with at least one All-Star (Joc Pederson) and possibly a second one (Stripling...if rumors are true) to make it work financially and stay under the CBT threshold. All of those players also came up through the Dodgers' farm system (except Maeda, who was signed out of Japan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Diablo View Post
    Exactly. The current core mostly came up through the Dodgers' farm system (Kershaw, Bellinger, Seager, Buehler, Jansen, Urias, Smith, Barnes, Beaty, Lux, May, Gonsolin, etc.) or were acquired on the cheap and retooled (Taylor, Turner, Muncy).

    For a Braves fan to complain about the Dodgers' building a roster through free agent "shopping" is just silly. The Dodgers' free agency results consisted of signing three pitchers with question marks (Treinen, Wood and Nelson) to cheap one-year deals, and the biggest free agent contract they have given out under Friedman's entire five-year tenure was to AJ Pollock (which maxes out at $60 million over 5 years, if he exercises his option). Moreover, every single Dodgers free agent last year (Ryu, Hill, Martin, Freese, Negron) left. The Braves, on the other hand, spent $100 million more than the Dodgers in free agency this offseason, and they had another $80-$90 million on the table for Donaldson (he just turned it down for the Twins).

    The Betts/Price deal was not even a matter of shopping; it was a trade that required the Dodgers to give up a lot of value. The Dodgers parted with their top prospect going into last season (Verdugo, who had a good rookie campaign, putting up 3.1 bWAR in only 106 games, and is under control for five more years) and a cost-controlled starter (Maeda) who was under contract for four more years. They have also parted with at least one All-Star (Joc Pederson) and possibly a second one (Stripling...if rumors are true) to make it work financially and stay under the CBT threshold. All of those players also came up through the Dodgers' farm system (except Maeda, who was signed out of Japan).
    Look, I do realize the Dodgers had mostly built their team from within before yesterday's trade and I will admit I was angry and venting without really thinking about it but it still doesn't change the fact that their payroll is now $209 million and second to only the Yankees. The disparity is just ridiculous in baseball. Like I said in my last post when I agreed with duke74, I just want their to be a more competitive balance. Congrats to the Dodgers for what they were able to do, I just wish there was a better system that didn't allow a team to have too high or too low of a payroll which would balance the scales. It will never happen though, the owners will never vote for it. This articledoes a decent job of what I'm trying to say.
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  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by duke74 View Post
    As a Mets fan from the Polo Grounds days (first years), I am now convinced that there IS a God.
    So uh, this is not a Yankee fan trying to rub anything in, I swear (seriously, I think baseball in NY is better when there's excitement about both teams, and as a Dolan hater, I know all too well the pain of bad ownership), but you might want to pump the breaks on getting religion.

    Hedge fund titan Steve Cohen has ended negotiations to buy the New York Mets, sources familiar with the situation said.

    Cohen, CEO of Point72 Asset Management, and Metsí owners, the Wilpons, would not confirm directly, citing NDAs, but numerous sources close to the process and Cohen tell CNBC that he is walking.
    Supposedly the Wilpons wanted changes to what Cohen had thought was a done deal, which sounds an awful lot like what happened when they were negotiating to sell part of the team to David Einhorn last year. I'm starting to think they're a bit frustrating to do business with.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/hedg...urces-say.html
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