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  1. #61

    Defense

    Defense is key to this years team. Like Virginia for the last few years, if we play strong intimidating defense, we can win every game but like Virginia you can lose in the first round even to a 16 seed. You can't always shoot well but you can play suffocating defense every game. I would not be surprised if we lost 5 games before the end of the year but tighten up and become a powerful team by tournament time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    1987? Not really. Sophomore Ferry eventually became an All-American but in 1987 he and Tommy Amaker were second-team All-ACC.

    That's like saying Alaa Abdelnaby was an All-ACC player in 1987 because he became one in 1990.

    Ferry and Abdelnaby were the only future NBA players on the 1987 and 1988 Duke teams and Alaa wasn't a major factor on either. That's not exactly a star-studded roster.
    I love correcting myself. Marty Nessley was on that 1987 team and played a half-season in the NBA for the Clippers. Don't think that changes the star-power equation much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayZee View Post
    Agreed. He is fast and stays in great balance. Fun to watch. He also seems to be a bit more modest (shy) than some of the other people in this list who may have bordered on brash...

    Also, he seems more like 6'3" max. Not a really tall guy. I kind of like T Hill as a comp. Guard sized, not small forward. Strong, but not a bull. A little more on the quiet side. Great position, balance, quickness on D.
    I believe Cassius was measured at 6'3 1/2"" in socks at camps a few years back, and was generally listed at 6'5" (presumably with shoes) on recruiting sites until very recently. He's clearly shorter than Alex and Wendell, though, and not that much taller than Tre. Would guess he's in the 6'3 1/2" to 6'4" range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayZee View Post
    Also, he seems more like 6'3" max. Not a really tall guy. I kind of like T Hill as a comp. Guard sized, not small forward. Strong, but not a bull. A little more on the quiet side. Great position, balance, quickness on D.
    Seconded

  5. #65
    I instantly thought of Ricky Price for Cassius the first time I saw him the build, the game and the LA provenance. Hes Ricky Price but better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Yep. The ACCN is not yet attracting Mercedes, Coca-Cola or Budweiser.
    Nor Comcast/Xfinity
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbailey View Post
    I instantly thought of Ricky Price for Cassius the first time I saw him the build, the game and the LA provenance. Hes Ricky Price but better.
    Yeah, I'm okay with the Ricky Price comp, and the T Hill comp, too.

    One thing I like about Cassius is he seems to have an edge to his play; wants to dominate whether it be a dunk, a strong move, or a steal. Comes to play. So I'll go with a partial comp to RJ Barrett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    1987? Not really. Sophomore Ferry eventually became an All-American but in 1987 he and Tommy Amaker were second-team All-ACC.

    That's like saying Alaa Abdelnaby was an All-ACC player in 1987 because he became one in 1990.

    Ferry and Abdelnaby were the only future NBA players on the 1987 and 1988 Duke teams and Alaa wasn't a major factor on either. That's not exactly a star-studded roster.
    According to this link from GoDuke.com, Tommy Amaker was selected as a first-, second-, or third-team All American by at least one nationally recognized All-America selection panel (I assume third-team, and not consensus, but still). Ferry was not All-American in 1987, but he was in each of the next two seasons, and what I said was, two players on the 1987 Duke team "made an All-America team at some point in their career." Plus, even as a sophomore, Ferry had more star power than anyone on this year's Duke team.

    But, whatever. When the OP said that this year's Duke team has an "80's blue collar feel," I suspect he wasn't talking about 1987 anyway.

  9. #69
    I was there in 87. Like my user name? Ferry was a budding superstar ranked #1 in his hs class, but I wouldnt say that team was more star studded. As Jim pointed out, there were only two future NBA players on the roster and I suspect we have 4-5 on this team.

    I like the comparison of this team to those late 80s teams. Defense was definitely our trademark. Tommy Amaker, Billy King, and a deep roster of defenders. Teams would wilt under the pressure. It was fun as a fan. And its fun to see a return to that type of team this year.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by roywhite View Post
    Yeah, I'm okay with the Ricky Price comp, and the T Hill comp, too.

    One thing I like about Cassius is he seems to have an edge to his play; wants to dominate whether it be a dunk, a strong move, or a steal. Comes to play. So I'll go with a partial comp to RJ Barrett.
    How about Daniel Ewing as a comp?
    If the janitor is not a Tarheel, then why is the water in the toilet Carolina blue?

    Historically, this UNC team is alarmingly unacademic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slower View Post
    How about Daniel Ewing as a comp?
    Nope. Not enough technicals for breathing. Still

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    I don't like THill or Ewing as a comp because they were shooters first, not really slashers, and certainly were not the kind of elite athletes (at least in terms of run-jump) that Cassius is. I think that is why people are largely gravitating toward dudes like Maggette, Dahntay, and Ricky Price who had major ups.
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    Thomas Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    I don't like THill or Ewing as a comp because they were shooters first, not really slashers, and certainly were not the kind of elite athletes (at least in terms of run-jump) that Cassius is. I think that is why people are largely gravitating toward dudes like Maggette, Dahntay, and Ricky Price who had major ups.
    Actually, his first couple of years, Thomas Hill wasn't all that much of a shooter. He was more of a defender, rebounder, and post-up player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    I don't like THill or Ewing as a comp because they were shooters first, not really slashers, and certainly were not the kind of elite athletes (at least in terms of run-jump) that Cassius is. I think that is why people are largely gravitating toward dudes like Maggette, Dahntay, and Ricky Price who had major ups.
    nobody likes my Rodney hood comparison? he's got the same build as him although Hood is taller...Price has the same build but Maggette and Dahntay look physically different...Hood was a slasher and a shooter...while Cassius hasn't shot much from the outside...think he has great form and seems less emotionally that a Jones. anyway it's a fun comparison
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke76 View Post
    nobody likes my Rodney hood comparison? he's got the same build as him although Hood is taller...Price has the same build but Maggette and Dahntay look physically different...Hood was a slasher and a shooter...while Cassius hasn't shot much from the outside...think he has great form and seems less emotionally that a Jones. anyway it's a fun comparison
    They have somewhat similar body shapes, but Hood is a lefty and about 3 inches taller. His go to scoring move was his pull up jumper, so it's tough to justify his as a good comp. Stanley is definitely a slasher first. I honestly don't think there is a great comp for Cassius, at least from former Duke players.

    I gave it some more thought, and he could possibly be similar to Demar DeRozan (although Demar was still pretty powerfully built, even as a freshman at USC), or for the old school people here, Latrell Sprewell. Gerald Henderson would be the closest Dukie IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roywhite View Post
    Yeah, I'm okay with the Ricky Price comp, and the T Hill comp, too.

    One thing I like about Cassius is he seems to have an edge to his play; wants to dominate whether it be a dunk, a strong move, or a steal. Comes to play. So I'll go with a partial comp to RJ Barrett.
    Some similarities for sure with Price, but Cassius seems to already have the confidence that Price never seemed able to muster, and that's no small thing.
    As for his height, we've known for years you can be any height you want to be on the roster.

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    Interesting, this is the first mock draft I've seen projecting Stanley as a first round pick: http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2020-nba-mock-draft.html

    Coincidentally, this guy also compared him to Latrell Sprewell

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    I don't like THill or Ewing as a comp because they were shooters first, not really slashers, and certainly were not the kind of elite athletes (at least in terms of run-jump) that Cassius is. I think that is why people are largely gravitating toward dudes like Maggette, Dahntay, and Ricky Price who had major ups.
    Why not Gerald Henderson? Great hops, very skilled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    Interesting, this is the first mock draft I've seen projecting Stanley as a first round pick: http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2020-nba-mock-draft.html

    Coincidentally, this guy also compared him to Latrell Sprewell
    That seems like the a perfect comp.

    That mock also has Tre going #57. Hope he stays!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    Interesting, this is the first mock draft I've seen projecting Stanley as a first round pick: http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2020-nba-mock-draft.html
    Quote Originally Posted by Neals384 View Post
    That mock also has Tre going #57. Hope he stays!
    That mock also has Hurt and Moore staying until their soph seasons... I can live with that.

    As previously mentioned (repeatedly) by me, Stanley's NBA stock is impacted by him being really old (20 in August) for his class. It removes some of the "potential" tag that often elevates younger NBA prospects. I also wonder if his lack of length may concern some NBA scouts. His wingspan is only 6-6, the same as his height. That is somewhat unusual for a NBA prospect and could be seen as limiting his defensive potential. I also strongly suspect the NBA will want to see more evidence of long range shooting prowess from Cassius before using a 1st round pick on him

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