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    Duke 89, CSU 55 post-game thread

    Can't believe this didn't get started already.
    Post your post-game thoughts here.
    Duke wins by 34, covering the spread!
    Last edited by Bob Green; 11-08-2019 at 09:54 PM.

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    Good: Overall FG shooting, Tre Jones at PG, AOC shooting, Wendell Moore emerges, Cassius Stanley stays strong.
    Meh: Rebounding, we were +9, but they shot so poorly that there were lots of boards to get. Hurt (9n5) & Carey (11n3), both were decent, but Carey fouled out. Bench production, where only Wendell was earned an A grade. Joey Baker made his season debut though! Going for 4 pts, 1 reb, and 2 stl.
    Bad: 3FG shooting, 4-22 ain't good.
    Ugly: Bench 3FG shooting, 0-8.

    We didn't generate an ungodly number of turnovers, and forced a pretty mediocre team into a bad shooting night. It seems that Cassius Stanley, Tre Jones, and tonight Wendell Moore, were able to convert 2FGs very efficiently. That's nice.

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    Offense felt labored. Through my eyes, this looked the kind of game where we score 100.

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    Through two games, Stanley is looking like a find. He is sooooo active on both ends of the court. Really good court awareness to go along with great athleticism.

    Also nice to see O’Connell follow up his strong all-around game against KU with a strong performance tonight. His shot went down better tonight, but I was more pleased with his 6 defensive boards and two steals.

    And the cherry on top was Moore getting it going in the second half. Hopefully this game helps build his confidence. If he can emerge and Stanley and O’Connell don’t disappear, that is a potentially terrific, versatile, active, and athletic trio of wings to rotate.

    Goldwire went from the starting lineup to the “Tre backup” role, which is probably his long-term fit. Especially so if the wing trio sticks.

    Jones was a stud. He didn’t hit a 3, but he did almost everything else. After a shaky preseason, it is nice to see him dialing it in now.

    The frontcourt rotation was... interesting. Coach K benched the two frosh bigs to start the second half, and the two seniors came in and helped spark a defensive run. DeLaurier and White are so active and I could see a nightmare defensive lineup of those two, Moore, Stanley, and Jones at times. But I think we have an interesting mix and match quartet up front, each bringing a different valuable attribute to be used as needed. It will be fun to watch the chess match each night as Coach K tried to find the right matchups inside throughout the season.

    What has been most interesting though is the aggressiveness of the team defensively. The guards and wings are REALLY getting after it. We don’t have the star power of last year’s team - obviously - but there is a blue collar, frenzied effort feel to this team. They don’t relent in the pressure. It will be interesting to see how teams handle that as the season goes on, as well as whether we sustain it or ease off. Especially if Coach K falls back into his usual habit of tightening the rotation later on.

    Regardless, another fun win. Hopefully next week continues the trend!

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    This is the third “game” I’ve attended at Cameron this season including Countdown and the second preseason game. I don’t need Kedsy to provide any defensive efficiency stats...excluding possessions with turnovers...including possessions with turnovers...it doesn’t matter. The team defense has been ELITE. It has been suffocating. This the hardest working most relentless defense I can remember in my time the past 12 years as a season ticket holder. They are fun to watch and it starts with Tre’s unrelenting ball pressure..

    Obviously the offense has a ways to go and three point shooting remains a concern. Good win overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Through two games, Stanley is looking like a find. He is sooooo active on both ends of the court. Really good court awareness to go along with great athleticism.

    Also nice to see O’Connell follow up his strong all-around game against KU with a strong performance tonight. His shot went down better tonight, but I was more pleased with his 6 defensive boards and two steals.

    And the cherry on top was Moore getting it going in the second half. Hopefully this game helps build his confidence. If he can emerge and Stanley and O’Connell don’t disappear, that is a potentially terrific, versatile, active, and athletic trio of wings to rotate.

    Goldwire went from the starting lineup to the “Tre backup” role, which is probably his long-term fit. Especially so if the wing trio sticks.

    Jones was a stud. He didn’t hit a 3, but he did almost everything else. After a shaky preseason, it is nice to see him dialing it in now.

    The frontcourt rotation was... interesting. Coach K benched the two frosh bigs to start the second half, and the two seniors came in and helped spark a defensive run. DeLaurier and White are so active and I could see a nightmare defensive lineup of those two, Moore, Stanley, and Jones at times. But I think we have an interesting mix and match quartet up front, each bringing a different valuable attribute to be used as needed. It will be fun to watch the chess match each night as Coach K tried to find the right matchups inside throughout the season.

    What has been most interesting though is the aggressiveness of the team defensively. The guards and wings are REALLY getting after it. We don’t have the star power of last year’s team - obviously - but there is a blue collar, frenzied effort feel to this team. They don’t relent in the pressure. It will be interesting to see how teams handle that as the season goes on, as well as whether we sustain it or ease off. Especially if Coach K falls back into his usual habit of tightening the rotation later on.

    Regardless, another fun win. Hopefully next week continues the trend!
    I was impressed. I agree that Stanley is a keeper- he is confident and has some capacity to create. AOC is going to be a different player this year. He is Duke’s best outside shooter and can drive if need be. He will need to be more consistent if this team is going to play well on O. Tre ran the show AND hunted his shot in the mid range- fine with that. The defense is disruptive and relentless. That is a good sign. They will hang their hat on D and the O while not great has potential. K may use everyone in the first half to wear down teams. Looking forward to seeing this young team develop.

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    I thought Moore looked generally better and more comfortable in this game than he did under the big lights in NYC.

    Stanley reminds me a great deal of Gerald Henderson, and that's a good thing.

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    Surprised Stanley was substantially underrated and there were widely varied opinions of his game. He is lightning quick and fast, jumps through the roof, and is very smooth with the ball. Everyone should have known his speed and vertical. His HS always gets substantial attention.

    Really looking forward to seeing how well Carey scores and passes when we start spending more time and energy feeding him the ball. He is going to get a lot of attention.

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    Can't fairly compare a performance against Colorado State to one against Kansas, but here are the unadjusted numbers:

    OFFENSE

    Possessions: 76.5 (not too fast, not too slow)
    oRtg: 1.16 (decent but not great)
    eFG%: 56.5% (not bad)
    3pt%: 18.2% (really, really bad)
    2pt%: 70.2% (really, really good)
    %threes: 31.9% (probably a little high for a team that shot so poorly, but acceptable)
    FT rate: 26.1% (oddly low for a team who scored so many two-point baskets)
    OR%: 25.7% (dreadful for the second straight game; could be a point of concern)
    TO%: 11.8% (outstanding)
    a/to: 1.55:1 (acceptable)
    %assisted: 37.8% (kinda low)
    fast break pts: 8 (9.0% of points; poor)

    DEFENSE

    dRtg: 0.72 (very good)
    eFG%: 37.8% (also very good)
    3pt%: 23.8% (ditto)
    2pt%: 38.2% (ditto ditto)
    %threes: 38.1% (if they're going to shoot poorly, I guess you don't mind that they jacked up so many)
    FT rate: 40.0% (pretty bad for the second straight game; point of concern?)
    DR%: 81.0% (outstanding)
    TO%: 23.5% (good; not as good as against Kansas, but we may not hit 35% again this season)
    a/to: 0.28:1 (incredibly low, which I guess is good)
    %assisted: 27.8% (same)
    stl%: 15.7% (good)
    blk%: 10.9% (17.6% of 2pt shots) (strong)
    fast break pts: 10 (18.2% of points; not so great for the second straight game; point of concern?)


    So, level of competition several levels lower than our first game, but at least we had decent offense and a well-rounded defense. On D, other than free throw rate this was a very strong performance all around. On O, low turnovers and very high pct on 2-point shots, but somewhat bleh for pretty much everything else.

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    Liking the team but we’ll have to find more outside shooting and Carey will have to play smarter. Funny how most of the recent Duke teams have been good on O or D but not both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDevil16 View Post
    Funny how most of the recent Duke teams have been good on O or D but not both.
    In each of the past two seasons, Pomeroy has rated Duke in the top 10 in both offense and defense.

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    Echoing what others have said about Stanley. This guy can play, and it's still very early to speculate, but I'm starting to think he might be on the path to one and done. To come in and play that well against Kansas, and then follow it up with another strong effort, it's just really really impressive. He's 13 for 17 through 2 games right now. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up leading this team in scoring. He clearly is capable of shouldering a bigger load on offense than he's being asked to right now.

    But having said that, I also think Matthew Hurt is being underutilized as a scorer so far, as we are still figuring out the pecking order. I can't wait for him to have a huge 25+ point game. I know it's coming.

    AOC is vastly improved in every way from last year. I was beginning to give up on him, but he's taken a big step forward.

    Loved that Moore had a much better game than his first outing, but he also has 7 turnovers in 27 minutes through two games. He needs to take better care of the ball. I don't see him overtaking Stanley/O'Connell in the wing rotation in the short term.

    Luckily, we have a pretty cupcake schedule in the non-conference this year, outside of our date with Michigan St. next month. That's going to allow our young players to round into form as we approach the ACC slate. Should be fun to watch this team grow together.

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    Defense looks great, offense a work in progress, but it'll get there.C.Stanley definitely the best of the freshmen so far.Vernon Carey needs to learn he can't be fouling out with eight minutes to go. But I'll take a 34 pt.win anytime,anywhere.

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    That was a very enjoyable way to be wrong about CSU +24 -- props to Chillin and English in the pregame thread for being right! I also suffered in the Degenerates league, which I've always felt is great for accountability. If we have to endure reading your bad opinion, you should receive punishment in some way when it turns out that you're wrong. And I did!

    I knew it was going to be a blowout a couple of minutes in. Our ball pressure and denial were forcing CSU to start their sets so far out, but at the same time, CSU wasn't able to extract any price from us for playing that way -- very few or no successful backdooors, 1-on-1 drives, offensive rebounds, etc. Long-term, we'll have to see what happens when future opponents plan specifically to attack our pressure; I would say both KU and CSU mostly tried to run their sets instead. And also, as previously mentioned, we'll have to see if this team remains close to as fresh, athletic, and healthy in March/April as they are now. Theoretically, if Coach K continues playing a long rotation, that should help.

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    A Step Forward

    C S is the real deal... athleticism and desire... and isn't just an athlete. This team will find it's offensive self, but it's great to have the potential to have an elite defense. Go Devils!

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    nice to see two dynamic guards out there.

    This team has all the tools...but still not totally sold on either of our first two games. not that the team owes convincing me or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    Echoing what others have said about Stanley. This guy can play, and it's still very early to speculate, but I'm starting to think he might be on the path to one and done. To come in and play that well against Kansas, and then follow it up with another strong effort, it's just really really impressive. He's 13 for 17 through 2 games right now. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up leading this team in scoring. He clearly is capable of shouldering a bigger load on offense than he's being asked to right now.

    But having said that, I also think Matthew Hurt is being underutilized as a scorer so far, as we are still figuring out the pecking order. I can't wait for him to have a huge 25+ point game. I know it's coming.

    AOC is vastly improved in every way from last year. I was beginning to give up on him, but he's taken a big step forward.

    Loved that Moore had a much better game than his first outing, but he also has 7 turnovers in 27 minutes through two games. He needs to take better care of the ball. I don't see him overtaking Stanley/O'Connell in the wing rotation in the short term.

    Luckily, we have a pretty cupcake schedule in the non-conference this year, outside of our date with Michigan St. next month. That's going to allow our young players to round into form as we approach the ACC slate. Should be fun to watch this team grow together.
    Stanley is definitely a huge, VERY pleasant surprise. He looks legit, so far.

    AOC still seems under-confident of his ability, whereas Moore seems over-confident of his own ability. Moore looks like he may have potential "black hole" (get the ball and keep it) danger. We shall see.

    I agree that Hurt seems poised to go off at some point. He was almost invisible last night.

    Tre is Tre. Without him, we're not even close to a Top 10 team.

    Javin is going to kill somebody this year. He's so out of control.

    Carey will be okay, but he's not Okafor or Wendell Carter.
    If the janitor is not a Tarheel, then why is the water in the toilet Carolina blue?

    Historically, this UNC team is alarmingly unacademic.

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    I know Tre came up super clutch in the KU game, but I felt his decision making was a bit shaky. I think last night he played a better overall game.

    Looks like we have two foul magnets playing the 5 this year. Hopefully Vernon will ease up on those cheap fouls he's been picking up so far.

    Alex has looked very good so far, maybe it's the extra year or it's the fact that there isn't anyone looking over his shoulder and the job is his to lose.

    All in all a very nice game with everyone getting some solid playing time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    Can't fairly compare a performance against Colorado State to one against Kansas, but here are the unadjusted numbers:

    OFFENSE

    Possessions: 76.5 (not too fast, not too slow)
    oRtg: 1.16 (decent but not great)
    eFG%: 56.5% (not bad)
    3pt%: 18.2% (really, really bad)
    2pt%: 70.2% (really, really good)
    %threes: 31.9% (probably a little high for a team that shot so poorly, but acceptable)
    FT rate: 26.1% (oddly low for a team who scored so many two-point baskets)
    OR%: 25.7% (dreadful for the second straight game; could be a point of concern)
    TO%: 11.8% (outstanding)
    a/to: 1.55:1 (acceptable)
    %assisted: 37.8% (kinda low)
    fast break pts: 8 (9.0% of points; poor)

    DEFENSE

    dRtg: 0.72 (very good)
    eFG%: 37.8% (also very good)
    3pt%: 23.8% (ditto)
    2pt%: 38.2% (ditto ditto)
    %threes: 38.1% (if they're going to shoot poorly, I guess you don't mind that they jacked up so many)
    FT rate: 40.0% (pretty bad for the second straight game; point of concern?)
    DR%: 81.0% (outstanding)
    TO%: 23.5% (good; not as good as against Kansas, but we may not hit 35% again this season)
    a/to: 0.28:1 (incredibly low, which I guess is good)
    %assisted: 27.8% (same)
    stl%: 15.7% (good)
    blk%: 10.9% (17.6% of 2pt shots) (strong)
    fast break pts: 10 (18.2% of points; not so great for the second straight game; point of concern?)


    So, level of competition several levels lower than our first game, but at least we had decent offense and a well-rounded defense. On D, other than free throw rate this was a very strong performance all around. On O, low turnovers and very high pct on 2-point shots, but somewhat bleh for pretty much everything else.
    I think the offensive rebounding is really an even bigger concern than the 3pt shooting. This team is simply not going to be a good 3pt team this season, much like last season. The shooters just aren't there. But only getting one shot per possession is what really gets us in big trouble down the road. That's where we offset our terrible 3pt% last season. I hope this is a point of emphasis in practice going forward or there could be some nail biting going on as we get into the meat of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey View Post
    Surprised Stanley was substantially underrated and there were widely varied opinions of his game. He is lightning quick and fast, jumps through the roof, and is very smooth with the ball. Everyone should have known his speed and vertical. His HS always gets substantial attention.

    Really looking forward to seeing how well Carey scores and passes when we start spending more time and energy feeding him the ball. He is going to get a lot of attention.
    Yeah Zion and Stanley were both late commits that I vastly underestimated and assumed they would provide some sizzle but not key contributions. As Chuck Berry sang, “Goes to show you never can tell.”

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