Preseason polls

[devildeac]

Maybe so. My only point was really that I think almost ANY top team is more vulnerable to upsets in Nov before they have a chance to gain experience and team chemistry, and that Duke, by avoiding the early ACC game, avoids a higher-than-usual chance of upset.

Could be wrong though, and no big deal anyway, as I'm sure the analytics gurus would inform me that it's a statistically insignificant difference (in chance of upset) anyhow.

Thanks for the kind words on my sensitivities. To be honest though, I don't really hold back about much, how I post is a pretty good representation of how I feel.

Yea, good analytical/factual/honest discussions/material and next to no trolling from the UVa fans who post here. Quality stuff.

[Green Wave Dukie]

Definitely worth the Bennett-fit of the doubt.

DD - I knew you would be that Guy to do this.

[OldPhiKap]

Yea, good analytical/factual/honest discussions/material and next to no trolling from the UVa fans who post here. Quality stuff.

Indeed, we have a number of quality Cav contributors.

[DavidBenAkiva]

One thing that jumps out to me about the list of top 25 teams is the number of squads that have had significant roster turnover, replacing 3 or more starters. That has become the norm at places like Duke and Kentucky. Other schools have not had as much success with this. Villanoa took a big step back last year after 4 of their key contributors left for the NBA. The big roster turnover teams this year include Kentucky, Duke, Gonzaga, UNC, Virginia, Texas Tech, Memphis, Arizona, LSU, and Auburn. That's 40% of the Top 25. Villanova is also missing its presumptive leading scorer to start the season, Bryan Antoine. I think we'll see a good number of upsets in the first couple months as teams try to figure out who they have and rotations.

[fuse]

Matt Norlander with a reasonable take on Duke preseason.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...mpression=true

Is that chum in the water? 🦈 🤔😳🤣

[proelitedota]

Matt Norlander with a reasonable take on Duke preseason.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...mpression=true

Is that chum in the water? 🦈 🤔😳🤣

🎣

Matt the fisherman.

[duke4ever19]

Matt Norlander with a reasonable take on Duke preseason.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...mpression=true

Is that chum in the water? �� ������

Ugh. I'm already confused enough about this Duke team and now Norlander comes along and says that an argument can be made to slot us in at #13, or #14. So preseason #4, or #14 . . . I wonder which will prove more accurate prediction come March.

[Natty_B]

Ugh. I'm already confused enough about this Duke team and now Norlander comes along and says that an argument can be made to slot us in at #13, or #14. So preseason #4, or #14 . . . I wonder which will prove more accurate prediction come March.

UNC at 4 in the Norlander ranking seems way high to me IMO. I just don't see the grad transfers doing a lot for them.

[Natty_B]

I looked up where the 2019 Elite 8 teams were ranked in the AP 2018-19 preseason Top 25:

UVA: 5
Purdue: 24
Texas Tech: Not ranked (received 6 votes)
Gonzaga: 3
Auburn: 11
Kentucky: 2
Duke: 4
Michigan State 10

The final four was teams ranked 5, 10, 11 and not ranked. Championship was 5 vs not ranked.

Make of this what you will.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

I looked up where the 2019 Elite 8 teams were ranked in the AP 2018-19 preseason Top 25:

UVA: 5
Purdue: 24
Texas Tech: Not ranked (received 6 votes)
Gonzaga: 3
Auburn: 11
Kentucky: 2
Duke: 4
Michigan State 10

The final four was teams ranked 5, 10, 11 and not ranked. Championship was 5 vs not ranked.

Make of this what you will.

Sorry, I just couldn’t resist...

[JasonEvans]

And just like that... Dr. Rosenrosen won the thread.

Someone please spork the good Dr. for me!!

[fuse]

And just like that... Dr. Rosenrosen won the thread.

Someone please spork the good Dr. for me!!

Done. 🎊🎉

[roywhite]

Don't know how accurate these preseason polls are but I'm very encouraged by the Jim Sumner piece (currently on the front page) on Vernon Carey and others.

By Jim's observations, it seems the parts are there for a very good team by year end. And who better than Coach K to put it together?

[JasonEvans]

Coaches poll is now out too.
https://247sports.com/college/duke/L...5/#137431525_8

1. MSU
2. Kentucky
3. Kansas
4. Duke
5. Lou
6. Fla
7. Gonzaga
8. Maryland

UNC checks in at #11. FSU, Syracuse, and NC State all in the "other's receiving votes" category. So does Tommy's Harvard squad.

-Jason " " Evans

[CameronBornAndBred]

I couldn't find an ACC Preseason thread, so this one is as good as any.
As the regular season winds down, it's a fun time to look back at a few predictions and compare them with reality.

This is where the media folks thought the conference would be in March.
1. Duke (51), 1564
2. North Carolina (19), 1493
3. Louisville (29), 1448
4. Virginia (12), 1405
5. Florida State, 1157
6. NC State, 1038
7. Notre Dame, 915
8. Syracuse, 910
9. Miami, 768
10. Pitt, 577
11. Clemson, 564
12. Georgia Tech, 437
13. Boston College, 382
14. Virginia Tech, 334
15. Wake Forest, 328

It's so awesome to see the Heels in that lofty 2 spot. HA!
Also, here is how they predicted the teams to All-ACC teams to be.

Preseason All-ACC Team
First Team
Jordan Nwora, Louisville, 95
Tre Jones, Duke, 89
Cole Anthony, North Carolina, 81
John Mooney, Notre Dame, 51
Mamadi Diakite, Virginia, 49

Second Team
Markell Johnson, NC State, 39
Vernon Carey Jr., Duke, 19
Chris Lykes, Miami, 18
Garrison Brooks, North Carolina, 11
Trent Forrest, Florida State, 11

Preseason ACC Player of the Year
Jordan Nwora, Louisville, 55
Cole Anthony, North Carolina, 31
Tre Jones, Duke, 19
John Mooney, Notre Dame, 3
Mamadi Diakite, Virginia, 2
Markell Johnson, NC State, 1

Preseason ACC Freshman of the Year
Cole Anthony, North Carolina, 89
Vernon Carey Jr., Duke, 8
Wendell Moore Jr., Duke, 5
Casey Morsell, Virginia, 3
Cassius Stanley, Duke, 3
Matthew Hurt, Duke, 3

I'll give them a pass on Anthony. Nobody could see his extended absence, and given his scoring output, I'd have no doubt that he would earn his spot among the first 5. Not so sure about FOY, though. That one still goes to Vernon in my book.
I'm assuming that both Tre and Vernon will make first team All-ACC as well. It's wild seeing that for the FOY voting, 4 of the 6 given votes were from Duke. High expectations indeed.

https://theacc.com/news/2019/10/10/m...-favorite.aspx