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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by -jk View Post
    In an article otherwise about tainted concussion studies, this bit stood out:


    A paper co-authored by the NCAA’s chief medical officer, Brian Hainline, and published this year says “the prevalence of ADHD in student-athletes and elite athletes may be 7 percent – 8 percent.”

    Based on the UNC documents, generally only scholarship athletes were eligible for learning disability testing. And an internal review found that among about 180 UNC athletes tested between 2004 and 2012 – including 137 scholarship football players – there was a “39 percent incidence of LD and or ADHD.”

    “If that’s an accurate number, that (does) seem high to me,” says Hainline, a neurologist. “‘Cause it’s unusual for ADHD or LD to somehow just manifest in college. It almost always has manifest already in high school, very often in grade school. It’s unusual just for it to start in college.”

    But that’s exactly what Ted Tatos found was happening at UNC. An overwhelming majority of the athletes tested between 2004 and 2012 were diagnosed with ADD, LD or ADHD for the first time at Chapel Hill.
    Vive le "Carolina Way"!

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    Our old friend, the whistleblower herself is also quoted in the article

    Mary Willingham was a learning specialist inside the athletic department between 2003 and 2010, working with the neuropsychologists responsible for LD or ADHD testing at UNC. She says there was pressure from coaches to keep players academically eligible to compete, and that diagnosing football players with a learning disability or ADHD was helpful in those efforts.
    Furthermore,
    According to the UNC documents Tatos reviewed, a diagnosis of ADHD often came with special accommodations, including personal note-takers, untimed tests and prescriptions for stimulant medications such as Adderall or Ritalin, which are otherwise banned by the NCAA as performance-enhancing drugs.

  3. #23
    Nothing is going to come from it, but it does my heart good to see more of their cheating ways laid bare.

    9f forever.

  4. #24
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    Just as another anecdotal story of personal experience, both of my children have been diagnosed with ADHD and I found the schools less than anxious to give special provisions. We had to get an actual doctor in the field to make the diagnosis, have several teachers complete the Vanderbilt assessments, and have our children observed in class after the diagnosis for appropriate special accommodations. We do give them medication, but to date, other than the teachers being aware and more proactive about communicating with us, have not received any special treatment. Oh and my son was diagnosed in 3rd grade, daughter in 9th.

  5. #25
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    Fecklessness will be perpetuated.

    9F 'em.
    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    Nothing is going to come from it, but it does my heart good to see more of their cheating ways laid bare.
    Nothing will happen to the athletes, thatís for sure. If anything, the womenís basketball team will have to pay a fine. But the implications on concussion research seems significant.

  7. #27
    The information revealed by the Athletic is no surprise. After all, the ceiling is the roof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roywhite View Post
    That does sound like a problem. But is it relevant in the context of major college athletics and what UNC is alleged to have done? Does it excuse the Cheats cheating?
    No absolutely not it doesn't excuse it, I'm just pointing out that these kids are being raised in a world where it's completely acceptable to pretend like you have a very real condition to "get stuff".

    I guess I'm filing it under, "everybody is doing it and it doesn't surprise me". Add it to UNC's VERY long list of similar items.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by left_hook_lacey View Post
    No absolutely not it doesn't excuse it, I'm just pointing out that these kids are being raised in a world where it's completely acceptable to pretend like you have a very real condition to "get stuff".

    I guess I'm filing it under, "everybody is doing it and it doesn't surprise me". Add it to UNC's VERY long list of similar items.
    The two important distinctions here being that (1) UNC's numbers are so far out of the ordinary that they can only be the result of fraudulent diagnoses, rather than just gaming the system and (2) in UNC's case it could have a major impact on medical research because of the concussion studies and that's a serious problem.

    I read through parts of the document dump related to the ADD/ADHD/LD testing a few years back and it was just astounding what they were doing.

  10. #30
    This is something I posted years back on this board.

    The learning disabilities angle is something that has always bothered me due to something I learned a few years ago from a family friend. I briefly mentioned this in a past post (I believe on TDD) well over a year ago (maybe two) before there was any mention of the abuse of the LD designation, but I am unable to find posts from that far back.

    The family is, understandably, a very pro-UNC family - parent is a UNC grad, child a UNC grad (and very good student who, deservedly, received a full ride to UNC). Naturally, they are also fans of the sports teams. The younger child was being recruited by UNC for football, and independently as a student (and, at the time, in consideration for same scholarship as sibling). The parent was supportive of UNC the university, but wanted no part of the football team due to what they knew from their older child. Eventually it was agreed that the child could visit with the football team and see how things went.

    The son visited. On the visit, the son was shown around by a football player. The player (not a coach) bragged that if he (the son, an excellent student) came to UNC he would "not have to do anything". He explained the many things you did not have to do (talk about classes, tutors, etc) and added (paraphrasing) - "They will say you have a learning disorder and then you don't even have to take tests. They can't give you timed tests, so you get to take the test home and someone will take the test for you." He went on to explain that the players are given prescriptions that they turn around and sell for extra money.

    The LD aspect bothered me a great deal because it involved a doctor (I assumed at that time, perhaps incorrectly) abusing his or her position. Also, at the time I was unaware that an AD/HD drug (adderol specifically) would be something that a non-AD/HD person would want. I looked it up and found that it was, in fact, commonly used on college campuses. So you have meds being prescribed that aren't needed, which are then being sold to to other students.

    Again, this involved a player, not a coach, telling this to a recruit. But the player spoke openly and it was clear that this was part of the UNC experience. And the fact that this was being told to an excellent student was ridiculous. So I have no doubt that UNC has, in the past, incorrectly labelled students as having a learning disorder.

    Because of this, the LD angle has been on my radar long before it became of public interest. At some point in the past, I noticed that UNC or one of its defenders gave some information and specifically qualified their statement by adding "when you remove LD students" (paraphrasing). I do not remember specifically what the comment was, but I believe it may have been when Willingham's study was being debated. The exclusion of LD students from their comment/statistics didn't raise any public questions at that time. But I believed then, as I do now, that UNC used the LD designation to hide damaging information (ex. the number of players reading below high school level, etc).

    Someone either within or outside of the university needs to look closely at the system UNC has in place to identify athletes with LDs. I believe they are absolutely abusing the system in a most cynical way.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    I wonder if this will amount to anything. Five years ago, Tydreke Powell called into a local radio show and explained that the entire football team was instructed to intentionally fail a screen for learning disabilities so they could be diagnosed with ADHD and therefore given adderall and also afforded extra time to take tests and given tutors. He went on to explain that the entire AFAM scam was created for basketball players, and that everyone on the football team knew it, as did Roy.
    Did anyone save the audio or a transcript of the Tydreke Powell interview with 102 JAMZ? I just tried to find it online but it apparently has been taken down. Lots of stories referencing it, but all the links seem broken. I remember at the time being shocked that story line didn't get more attention. Wasn't there something about the players taking it at a facility in Durham rather than a UNC facility too?

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Fred G. Unn View Post
    Did anyone save the audio or a transcript of the Tydreke Powell interview with 102 JAMZ? I just tried to find it online but it apparently has been taken down. Lots of stories referencing it, but all the links seem broken. I remember at the time being shocked that story line didn't get more attention. Wasn't there something about the players taking it at a facility in Durham rather than a UNC facility too?
    https://www.si.com/college-football/...lasses-scandal

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Fred G. Unn View Post
    Did anyone save the audio or a transcript of the Tydreke Powell interview with 102 JAMZ? I just tried to find it online but it apparently has been taken down. Lots of stories referencing it, but all the links seem broken. I remember at the time being shocked that story line didn't get more attention. Wasn't there something about the players taking it at a facility in Durham rather than a UNC facility too?
    The choice of facility was a majorly suspicious point. There are a string of UNC emails relating to the woman in charge that make it pretty clear they had a special arrangement. I remember one in particular in which someone insists they continue using that particular person to conduct the testing. Might be able to dig it up later.

    The circumstances under which they finally terminated the relationship were also suspicious, because (IIRC) it happened abruptly and could be linked to the investigation but UNC acted like it was nothing of note, which strongly implies they were covering their tracks.

  14. #34
    Audio is a dead link though ...

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by BLPOG View Post
    The choice of facility was a majorly suspicious point. There are a string of UNC emails relating to the woman in charge that make it pretty clear they had a special arrangement. I remember one in particular in which someone insists they continue using that particular person to conduct the testing.
    Oh yeah, Lyn Johnson. And she was doing the testing "off-label" too, using a test not designed to diagnose ADHD.

    http://nebula.wsimg.com/5a624b871c26...&alloworigin=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by left_hook_lacey View Post
    The girls mom has since learned about the extra benefits(especially being a military family) that she can receive for having a child that is considered "EC" whether it is autism, ADD, whatever. That woman has fought tooth and nail and now all 3 of her kids are "EC" labeled.
    I struggle to identify in my mind what extra benefits would be made available to a "military family" that are not available to a non-military family.

    As a veteran who spent 30 years on active duty in the U.S. Navy who continues to be a Department of Defense employee (42+ years Total Active Federal Service) I do not believe military families receive any extra benefits by having a child designated as EC.

    Could you elaborate?
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  18. #38
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    The Tydreke audio clip was taken down years ago. I have no doubt that UNC played a role in this. And that woman who ran the testing center in Durham was the girlfriend of Fats Thomas. Remember him?

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    The Tydreke audio clip was taken down years ago. I have no doubt that UNC played a role in this. And that woman who ran the testing center in Durham was the girlfriend of Fats Thomas. Remember him?
    No, that's incorrect. That woman had some questionable involvement but so far as actual evidence is concerned it was pretty tangential. It just got a lot of discussion as Duke as NCSU folks tried to connect the dots between the many unethical goings-on at uNC.

    The bulk of the evidence in the document dump related to testing involved Lyn Johnson, as another poster mentioned earlier. As I recall, her name was usually redacted, but the censors screwed up and left it in a couple times. She's the one who administered the tests referred to in the email exchanges a few posts back.

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    This whole thing is just outrageo....wait, what we were talking about?



    On a more serious note, I'll share this little anecdote from when I was a teenager and my father was a professor at BYU. He was teaching upper level Phys Ed classes. At one point, he had one of the BYU quarterbacks in his class. He failed the class. The next semester, he failed it again.

    Thereafter, my father got a call from the Athletic Director, who asked, "When are you going to pass name redacted?" To which my father replied, "When he does passing work," and hung up the phone.

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