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    Quote Originally Posted by rsvman View Post
    Another vote for Tool, whom I have also seen live. Just amazing.
    I am about the furthest thing from an audiophile. Darn near tone deaf, can't keep a beat, and my attempts to at Karaoke, Guitar Hero, Dance Dance Revolution and other rhythm/singing games have ended with even the people watching showing visible embarrassment and discomfort for having to witness my flailings.

    That said, I saw something that talked about how hard it is to do things like this...from a discussion of Tool's, 46 & Two.

    "The song is mostly in 4/4 time with some sections of 7/8 in between. In the intro, Danny Carey plays four measures of 7/8 on his ride cymbal over the rest of the band playing in 4/4, and they all meet up on the downbeat of the 5th measure in 4/4. During the bridge there are three measures of 7/8 followed by one measure of 4/4. During a particular quad fill, the drums are in 3/8, the guitar plays one measure of 9/8 followed by one in 5/8 all while the bass keeps time in 7/8."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    I am about the furthest thing from an audiophile. Darn near tone deaf, can't keep a beat, and my attempts to at Karaoke, Guitar Hero, Dance Dance Revolution and other rhythm/singing games have ended with even the people watching showing visible embarrassment and discomfort for having to witness my flailings.

    That said, I saw something that talked about how hard it is to do things like this...from a discussion of Tool's, 46 & Two.

    "The song is mostly in 4/4 time with some sections of 7/8 in between. In the intro, Danny Carey plays four measures of 7/8 on his ride cymbal over the rest of the band playing in 4/4, and they all meet up on the downbeat of the 5th measure in 4/4. During the bridge there are three measures of 7/8 followed by one measure of 4/4. During a particular quad fill, the drums are in 3/8, the guitar plays one measure of 9/8 followed by one in 5/8 all while the bass keeps time in 7/8."
    That eliminates that song from any of the dances we've learned .
    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    I can't believe that nobody has brought up the metal masters Jethro Tull.
    At first, I was puzzled by your mention of Jethro Tull in a metal thread. But a quick Google search reveals that the first Grammy for the category “Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance” was inexplicably awarded to ... Jethro Tull!

    So, now I say “well played”.


    In defense of the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, I am pretty sure that most flutes are, indeed, made of metal. If Metallica’s ... And Justice For All album had prominently featured tubas, they might have stood a chance to win that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by House P View Post
    At first, I was puzzled by your mention of Jethro Tull in a metal thread. But a quick Google search reveals that the first Grammy for the category “Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance” was inexplicably awarded to ... Jethro Tull!

    So, now I say “well played”.


    In defense of the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, I am pretty sure that most flutes are, indeed, made of metal. If Metallica’s ... And Justice For All album had prominently featured tubas, they might have stood a chance to win.
    The goalposts on what is considered "metal" have moved a bit over the years (with some things that were considered metal at the time now sliding over into "hard rock").

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    The goalposts on what is considered "metal" have moved a bit over the years (with some things that were considered metal at the time now sliding over into "hard rock").
    At first, I wanted to just entitle this thread "HEAVY METAL," but this being the nerd neighborhood it is, I was afraid a bunch of science geeks would start talking to me about osmium and stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    As mentioned earlier today in the LTE, I find myself inexplicably thrust into a metal jag. I know next to nothing about the genre, though I have gotten some good advice from friends. Does anyone here like metal? I would like some further guidance. So far, I've been really enjoying Megadeth, plus early Metallica, some Black Sabbath, and some Judas Priest.
    Who else? I've gotten some recs for Pantera, Tool, and Alice in Chains...what albums of theirs are best? I prefer stuff that's at least somewhat melodic (though, obviously, loud and frenetic). Particularly enjoying the speed metal aspects of '80s Megadeth. Any advice?
    Also, what the hell has happened to me?
    I must clarify that I agree that Alice in Chains is not really metal at all. It's more Alternative (in same genre as Seattle Nirvana and Pearl Jam). (And the poster who corrected me earlier is right - Def Leppard, GNR, and Poison aren't metal either. I just meant they were really good bands from that hair band era since you like melodic stuff that rocks. I'm sure you know their music. I just loved them so gave them a mention. Same with ACDC - hard rock from that era that's really good, but everybody knows that. Just meant I love those bands.

    But Alice in Chains is great, and their best albums that you asked about are MTV Unplugged (really not metal) ; Dirt; Jar of Flies; Alice in Chains; Facelift, and Sap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardjackson199 View Post
    I must clarify that I agree that Alice in Chains is not really metal at all. I would classify it more as Alternative (in same genre as Seattle Nirvana and Pearl Jam). (And the poster who corrected me earlier is right - Def Leppard, GNR, and Poison aren't metal either. I just meant they were really good bands from that hair band era since you like melodic stuff that rocks.

    But Alice in Chains is great, and their best albums that you asked about are MTV Unplugged (really not metal) ; Dirt; Jar of Flies; Alice in Chains; Facelift, and Sap.
    I think Poison would be in the hair metal category, no? I'm not really that into metal so I'm not trying to gatekeep, just trying to go by things as I understand them. People that care deeply about what is and what isn't metal can do a better (and snobbier) job I'm sure.

    HOWEVER.

    Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and Alice in Chains are grunge. And yeah, any of Alice in Chains' albums before Layne died are pretty much the bees knees (which I think is basically what you listed). Seconded on the (very much not metal, but very very good) MTV Unplugged. The singles are easy enough to find, beyond that I would suggest Rain When I Die and I know Something as decent starting points if you want to jump in. The MTV Unplugged Nutshell is phenomenal as well.

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    Poison is full on 80s glam rock. There’s nothing ‘metal’ about them at all. We can say the same about dozens of other bands that might have liked to think they played some version of metal. Europe, White Snake, Cinderella, and on and on. Don’t get me wrong. I’ll still jam out in my car every once in a while to “Here I Go Again” but it ain’t a heavy metal moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by House P View Post
    In defense of the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, I am pretty sure that most flutes are, indeed, made of metal. If Metallica’s ... And Justice For All album had prominently featured tubas, they might have stood a chance to win that year.
    Funny you should say that... Metallica is playing with the SF Symphony Orchestra this weekend. They put out an album the last time they did this called “S&M” and will be releasing a film called S&M2 documenting these two upcoming concerts.
    “Coach said no 3s.” - Zion on The Block

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    Nobody has really mentioned Pantera. Are they metal? Should I take that plunge?
    Once again, thanks for all the advice and recommendations. My wife hates you all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    Nobody has really mentioned Pantera. Are they metal? Should I take that plunge?
    Once again, thanks for all the advice and recommendations. My wife hates you all.
    Ha! My wife shut down Van Halen on me during our trip back to Raleigh from the NC coast on Monday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildeac View Post
    Ha! My wife shut down Van Halen on me during our trip back to Raleigh from the NC coast on Monday.
    Mine asked me to just "listen to that stuff quietly," whereupon I replied that

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildeac View Post
    Ha! My wife shut down Van Halen on me during our trip back to Raleigh from the NC coast on Monday.
    Good woman, they only have one good song

    Unrelated, but if we're veering slightly into "loud heavy jams" instead of straight metal, Queens of the Stone Age, Them Crooked Vultures, and The Dead Weather all probably merit consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    Good woman, they only have one good song
    Not true. There are at least three.

    (lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildeac View Post
    Not true. There are at least three.

    (lol)
    My choice is probably not the "popular" pick...maybe there's something I just don't get about them. There is this classic video where they load up the synth for "Jump" at the wrong speed, causing it to be at a slightly higher pitch and massively out of tune with the rest of the band. The bassist (to his credit) frantically tries to shift to different keys to get in tune to no avail. I can't get enough of it. I also can't believe they didn't just bail on the song...they pushed all the way through.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    My choice is probably not the "popular" pick...maybe there's something I just don't get about them. There is this classic video where they load up the synth for "Jump" at the wrong speed, causing it to be at a slightly higher pitch and massively out of tune with the rest of the band. The bassist (to his credit) frantically tries to shift to different keys to get in tune to no avail. I can't get enough of it. I also can't believe they didn't just bail on the song...they pushed all the way through.
    A lot of it for me is that Eddie is an absolute Guitar God.

    Eddie and Hendrix changed the way electric rock players approach the instrument more than anyone else in the second half of the 20th Century.
    Hard at work making beautiful things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Rosenrosen View Post
    Poison is full on 80s glam rock. There’s nothing ‘metal’ about them at all. We can say the same about dozens of other bands that might have liked to think they played some version of metal. Europe, White Snake, Cinderella, and on and on. Don’t get me wrong. I’ll still jam out in my car every once in a while to “Here I Go Again” but it ain’t a heavy metal moment.
    Metal seems to shift like the sand on barrier islands (another thread). Judas priest was absolutely metal when they began, but listening to songs like "Living After Midnight" now sound like hard rock. or just rock even. The envelope keeps getting pushed.

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    The metal will be loud and angry in my automobile this afternoon.

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    If you want something a bit proggier try one of my all-time favorite bands: Dream Theater! Check out "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence," "Awake," and my personal favorite, "Train of Thought."


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    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    "The song is mostly in 4/4 time with some sections of 7/8 in between. In the intro, Danny Carey plays four measures of 7/8 on his ride cymbal over the rest of the band playing in 4/4, and they all meet up on the downbeat of the 5th measure in 4/4. During the bridge there are three measures of 7/8 followed by one measure of 4/4. During a particular quad fill, the drums are in 3/8, the guitar plays one measure of 9/8 followed by one in 5/8 all while the bass keeps time in 7/8."
    DT plays with time signatures a lot, too. Check this out:


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