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  1. #41
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
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    Thomasville, NC
    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    I've never seen an eastern diamondback in the wild, have always wanted to. I've seen a few timber rattlers, one here in the east (it was a beautiful freshly shed canebrake, full of color) and and a few in the mountains. I've literally almost stepped on them, and they didn't shake a tail at all. It's amazing how tolerant they are. (I'm pretty sure their tolerance stops at being stepped on or harassed.)
    Odd thing about rattlers in NC. They are on the coast, and in the mountains, and throughout the southern part of the state, but basically devoid in central NC.
    The eastern diamondback is very rare now in NC. A friend of mine has a research program on the snake here in NC, and I spent lots of time helping him. We waded swamps and trekked dry pine forests, and found seven diamondbacks in three years. Four of these were on Camp Lejeune, two in a Pender County pine forest, and a huge six foot two inch monster in Scotland County.
    The timber rattlesnake occurs in two races, one in the mountains, which has wide bands on the body, and can be yellowish to even nearly black. South and east is the race called the canebrake rattler. The patterns on the back of this snake resemble chevrons.

    I have seen timber rattlers of the mountain race in Surry, Wilkes, and Ashe counties. I have found canebrakes in Davidson, Montgomery, Moore, Richmond, Scotland, Pender and Onslow counties.
    The tiny pygmy rattler is found from Mecklenburg County east to the coast.Populations of this tiny rattler are fragmented in the western coastal plain.

  2. #42
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    New Bern, NC unless it's a home football game then I'm grilling on Devil's Alley
    Quote Originally Posted by Devilwin View Post
    The tiny pygmy rattler is found from Mecklenburg County east to the coast.Populations of this tiny rattler are fragmented in the western coastal plain.
    Like the diamondback, I've yet to find a pygmy rattler in the wild. But being 6'4", pygmies are easy to overlook.
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

  3. #43
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Winston Salem, NC
    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    I've never seen an eastern diamondback in the wild, have always wanted to. I've seen a few timber rattlers, one here in the east (it was a beautiful freshly shed canebrake, full of color) and and a few in the mountains. I've literally almost stepped on them, and they didn't shake a tail at all. It's amazing how tolerant they are. (I'm pretty sure their tolerance stops at being stepped on or harassed.)
    Odd thing about rattlers in NC. They are on the coast, and in the mountains, and throughout the southern part of the state, but basically devoid in central NC.
    Thank God. As my dad used to say, "the only good snake is a dead snake" and please don't say that some snakes do some good. If they bite me, it's going to hurt. Just like a bee sting.

    GoDuke!

  4. #44
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Quote Originally Posted by jv001 View Post
    and please don't say that some snakes do some good. If they bite me, it's going to hurt. Just like a bee sting.
    Isn't that basically a fully general argument for killing just about every living thing, including some plants (all trees, if you count running into them as hurting)?

  5. #45
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Winston Salem, NC
    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    Isn't that basically a fully general argument for killing just about every living thing, including some plants (all trees, if you count running into them as hurting)?
    I don't think getting into a discussion about killing any living thing needs to be discussed on DBR because it could end up out of bounds and I did a thingy. GoDuke!

  6. #46
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Summerville ,S.C.
    Quote Originally Posted by Devilwin View Post
    The eastern diamondback is very rare now in NC. A friend of mine has a research program on the snake here in NC, and I spent lots of time helping him. We waded swamps and trekked dry pine forests, and found seven diamondbacks in three years. Four of these were on Camp Lejeune, two in a Pender County pine forest, and a huge six foot two inch monster in Scotland County.
    The timber rattlesnake occurs in two races, one in the mountains, which has wide bands on the body, and can be yellowish to even nearly black. South and east is the race called the canebrake rattler. The patterns on the back of this snake resemble chevrons.

    I have seen timber rattlers of the mountain race in Surry, Wilkes, and Ashe counties. I have found canebrakes in Davidson, Montgomery, Moore, Richmond, Scotland, Pender and Onslow counties.
    The tiny pygmy rattler is found from Mecklenburg County east to the coast.Populations of this tiny rattler are fragmented in the western coastal plain.
    Thats interesting.i have always considered the copper toned rattler the timber rattlesnake.the more silver ones then canebreak rattler. I have seen the copper version at plus 6ft 13 rattles on the tail and i left a few it peed on me.
    So i left quickly.

  7. #47
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Thomasville, NC
    One way to tell the two timber rattlesnakes apart is that the canebrake has a brown/orange dorsal line down the back, and also dark stripes on the jaw line beneath the eye. These features are faint or lacking in mountain timber rattlers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj8OxHrVk0k
    First video is the canebrake rattler. Lowland timber rattler/
    Second is the mountain version of the timber.
    Last edited by Devilwin; 04-14-2020 at 08:51 PM.

  8. #48
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Durham, NC
    Quote Originally Posted by jv001 View Post
    Thank God. As my dad used to say, "the only good snake is a dead snake" and please don't say that some snakes do some good. If they bite me, it's going to hurt. Just like a bee sting.

    GoDuke!
    When someone tells me, "It won't hurt you," my response is, "It can give me heart attack. That hurts!"

  9. #49
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    Jun 2008
    Location
    Winston Salem, NC
    Quote Originally Posted by aimo View Post
    When someone tells me, "It won't hurt you," my response is, "It can give me heart attack. That hurts!"
    My dad used to have some sayings that cracked me up. The one about snakes that I posted and this one regarding snakes, He would say, I'm only afraid of two kinds of snakes, live ones and dead ones. I remember when I came home from serving in the Army, one of our neighbors had passed away while I was gone. When he told me about his passing, I asked innocently did he die? My dad said, if he didn't they sure played a cruel joke on him. But the best one was when he said I wouldn't trust so and so in an outhouse with a muzzle on. I believe he was talking about a politician but I'm not sure. He was a world war 2 veteran and a no nonsense guy, so some of the things he said surprised me.

    GoDuke!

  10. #50
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    I’d never seen one of these until recently—got my attention (I live in Louisiana).

  11. #51
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    Feb 2008
    Location
    New Bern, NC unless it's a home football game then I'm grilling on Devil's Alley
    Quote Originally Posted by House G View Post
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    I’d never seen one of these until recently—got my attention (I live in Louisiana).
    HUGE WOW!! That's so cool! I've only seen one scarlet king snake that was caught from captivity (here in NC), and have never seen a coral snake.
    That is definitely the latter. Hope you (or whoever took the pic) let it be. What an awesome discovery. They are both very secretive. (But only one can make your day very bad.)

    FYI, coral snakes are the only member of the elapid family in NC, and North America. Related to cobras.

    http://www.wildlife-removal.com/snakecolorrhyme.html
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  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    HUGE WOW!! That's so cool! I've only seen one scarlet king snake that was caught from captivity (here in NC), and have never seen a coral snake.
    That is definitely the latter. Hope you (or whoever took the pic) let it be. What an awesome discovery. They are both very secretive. (But only one can make your day very bad.)

    FYI, coral snakes are the only member of the elapid family in NC, and North America. Related to cobras.

    http://www.wildlife-removal.com/snakecolorrhyme.html
    This snake was about 2 feet long and was minding its own business (non confrontational). We left it alone. Thanks for the link!

  13. #53
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    Feb 2011
    Location
    Summerville ,S.C.
    Nice plump water snake.nieghbor took the pick .it switches yards every so often.


  14. #54
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Thomasville, NC
    I saw two coral snakes under a piece of tarp in some woods my cousin owns in Shallotte. We let them be. The Green Swamp borders his land, and has more cottonmouths than any area I've ever seen. On one of our rattlesnake treks, we counted 23 cottonmouths.

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