The "Daniel Jones deserves his own thread" thread

[Acymetric]

I'd say easily
Palmer
McNabb
Newton
McNair
Smith
Vick
Stafford
Luck

and still young but looks like they are already better than Eli at any point in his career

Wentz
Goff
Mahomes
Baker

and too early to really tell but I would bet on

Darnold
Trubisky

I could even see an argument for

Winston

Well this is a cumulative career ranking so obviously the guys who have only played 1-3 seasons are going to be low ranked. Some of those guys will surpass Eli as they extend their careers, others won't.

I'm not sure how you could argue that any of those guys have more accomplished careers than Eli which is what this is measuring (this is different than saying that they were better at their peak). Luck has basically done nothing in the league. Alex Smith is probably close but has accomplished much less. Regardless, I'm not sure how you say that McNabb or Palmer are "easily" better than Eli. There's a conversation to be had there, but easily?

Trubisky is going to flame out, book it.

[InSpades]

Guess it depends on what your criteria is. I like Eli but talent wise he isn't near those guys. I made a list earlier this year to prove to a Cam hater that Cam is indeed elite based on his stats alone. What surprised me while making the list was just how bad Eli really was compared to the other qbs in the last 15 years or so (Been awhile since I checked but he averages more turnovers than tds or close to it). Those superbowls in his case happened because their defense carried them in the playoffs combined with a solid run game and Eli playing at a slightly above average level for a 3 or 4 game stretch.

Eli is going to waltz into the Hall of Fame. Most of those guys are going to have to buy a ticket (Palmer, McNair, McNabb, Stafford, etc.). A lot of that is his 2 Super Bowl wins (and MVPs) but he was great in those playoffs.

Back on topic... as a huge Giants fan I am super excited about what I've seen so far from Daniel Jones. I'm sure Eli is going to start the year and that's probably for the best but DJ is going to see some play this year and the team should be his starting next season. They can't bring Eli back unless he wants to take a massive pay cut.

[CameronBornAndBred]

This is pretty funny.
"The Saddest Eli Manning Photo Ever Taken"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/saddest-e...160138931.html

[JasonEvans]

This is pretty funny.
"The Saddest Eli Manning Photo Ever Taken"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/saddest-e...160138931.html

Beyond awesome...


-Jason "I suspect Eli isn't all that sad... he's probably sorta ready for someone else to take the reins. I mean, how many more blindside hits does he want to take?" Evans

[JasonEvans]

Eli is going to waltz into the Hall of Fame. Most of those guys are going to have to buy a ticket (Palmer, McNair, McNabb, Stafford, etc.). A lot of that is his 2 Super Bowl wins (and MVPs) but he was great in those playoffs.

Yeah, we are talking about a guy who is a 4 time Pro Bowlers with 2 rings and 2 Super Bowl MVPs on his shelf. I mean, he ain't one of the all-time greats, but he's a very, very good QB and one that Giant fans will look back upon fondly for many, many years. Dude is 38... I think some recency bias is leading to the negative feelings about him. He was probably top 10 in the league for many years earlier in his career.

[Acymetric]

Yeah, we are talking about a guy who is a 4 time Pro Bowlers with 2 rings and 2 Super Bowl MVPs on his shelf. I mean, he ain't one of the all-time greats, but he's a very, very good QB and one that Giant fans will look back upon fondly for many, many years. Dude is 38... I think some recency bias is leading to the negative feelings about him. He was probably top 10 in the league for many years earlier in his career.

In addition to the recency bias, people have always undervalued him as a QB because they didn't like his demeanor (along with perhaps some Manning fatigue due to his brother). People here are talking about him like he's Joe Flacco or Jay freaking Cutler or something.

[nmduke2001]

In addition to the recency bias, people have always undervalued him as a QB because they didn't like his demeanor (along with perhaps some Manning fatigue due to his brother). People here are talking about him like he's Joe Flacco or Jay freaking Cutler or something.

Sure he had two super bowls, but he rode a red hot pass rush to those titles. Absent the rings, I don't think he gets mentioned in the HOF discussion.

[GGLC]

Yeah, we are talking about a guy who is a 4 time Pro Bowlers with 2 rings and 2 Super Bowl MVPs on his shelf. I mean, he ain't one of the all-time greats, but he's a very, very good QB and one that Giant fans will look back upon fondly for many, many years. Dude is 38... I think some recency bias is leading to the negative feelings about him. He was probably top 10 in the league for many years earlier in his career.

Actually, he's had a lot of pretty stinky seasons throughout his career. His first three full seasons (2005-07), he posted TD/INT ratios of 24/17, 24/18, and 23/20 respectively. Three seasons later he threw 25 (!) interceptions to go along with 31 touchdowns. Only once has he ever thrown fewer than 14 interceptions over a full season. If anything, his best statistical seasons have come towards the middle to tail-end of his career, with 2014 and 2015 looking like pinnacles.

But count the rings, it's true.

If Kyle Williams had been able to hold on to either of two punts in the 2011 NFC championship game, those two rings would be one.

And if David Tyree's helmet had been slightly slicker, that one ring would be zero.

Had both those things happened and everything else stayed the same, would that take Eli from Canton lock to the outside looking in?

[GGLC]

P.S. 25 interceptions isn't even his career high (!!).

[texasdevil06]

Via twitter:

NFL Research
@NFLResearch
.
@Daniel_Jones10
has been a giant among men this preseason.

The rookie QB is up to an 83.3 comp pct, 12.3 yds/att, and a 140.1 passer rating.

Those numbers are the highest in a rookie preseason since at least 2006 (min. 30 attempts).
.
.

https://twitter.com/NFLResearch/stat...63897670946816

[Bob Green]

Daniel Jones highlights from last night's game against the Bengals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z4coNOqSHk

He throws several really nice passes.

[nmduke2001]

If Daniel has a good/great couple of years, you would have to think that Cut would be able to recruit a high ranking Qb, right? He would have both Mannings and a high performing current NFLer. Shouldn't they be knocking down his door if they were a NFL hopefuls?

[Bob Green]

NFL analyst and Duke alum Brian Baldinger breaks down Daniel Jones' performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hal1tcIrAw

[texasdevil06]

Baker Mayfield against the TB Bucs is currently 7 for 19 midway through the 2nd Q. Browns still lead 9-0 0n 3 field goals. Their defense putting a lot of pressure on Jameis Winston who's been very ineffective.

[AustinDevil]

If Daniel has a good/great couple of years, you would have to think that Cut would be able to recruit a high ranking Qb, right? He would have both Mannings and a high performing current NFLer. Shouldn't they be knocking down his door if they were a NFL hopefuls?

Yes.

[AGDukesky]

P.S. 25 interceptions isn't even his career high (!!).

My biggest gripe about Eli is that he caused the need for his teams to make those comebacks/late game heroics. My joke as a Cowboys fan was that a quarterback that played like Romo for 3 quarters and Eli in the 4th would be one of the best quarterbacks ever- switch that and you have the worst QB ever.

Eli is overrated because of his Super Bowls masking a lot of bad play for much of those seasons. Still I understand why he will eventually be in the hall of fame. Also, the Giants defense was the real MVP at least one of those Super Bowls...

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Yes.

Perhaps, but they won't...but if I explain why, I'll get a mod infraction.

[JetpackJesus]

My biggest gripe about Eli is that he caused the need for his teams to make those comebacks/late game heroics. My joke as a Cowboys fan was that a quarterback that played like Romo for 3 quarters and Eli in the 4th would be one of the best quarterbacks ever- switch that and you have the worst QB ever.

Eli is overrated because of his Super Bowls masking a lot of bad play for much of those seasons. Still I understand why he will eventually be in the hall of fame. Also, the Giants defense was the real MVP at least one of those Super Bowls...

Tom Brady and Bill Belichick have two fewer Super Bowls than they otherwise would have--and 0 perfect seasons--because of Eli Manning and the Giants. Eli is a hero. The fact that he isn't a very good QB is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

[JNort]

Actually, he's had a lot of pretty stinky seasons throughout his career. His first three full seasons (2005-07), he posted TD/INT ratios of 24/17, 24/18, and 23/20 respectively. Three seasons later he threw 25 (!) interceptions to go along with 31 touchdowns. Only once has he ever thrown fewer than 14 interceptions over a full season. If anything, his best statistical seasons have come towards the middle to tail-end of his career, with 2014 and 2015 looking like pinnacles.

But count the rings, it's true.

If Kyle Williams had been able to hold on to either of two punts in the 2011 NFC championship game, those two rings would be one.

And if David Tyree's helmet had been slightly slicker, that one ring would be zero.

Had both those things happened and everything else stayed the same, would that take Eli from Canton lock to the outside looking in?

More like he wouldnt even be looking that direction.

[bundabergdevil]

Tom Brady and Bill Belichick have two fewer Super Bowls than they otherwise would have--and 0 perfect seasons--because of Eli Manning and the Giants. Eli is a hero. The fact that he isn't a very good QB is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

You could lead a congregation, made me say 'Amen'.