Baker added this to Instagram...
Later on Tuesday, Mayfield clarified his comments in a post to his Instagram Story, writing: "This is not what I said ... just so we're clear. I also said I was surprised I got drafted number one. Then was talking about the flaws in evaluating QB's. Where I brought up winning being important. Reporters and media will do anything to come up with a click bait story. Heard nothing but good things and wish nothing but the best for Daniel."
I don't blame Baker for what he said. I mean I agree with him. Maybe DJ will prove me wrong but before the draft I said I wouldn't even want him as a backup for a team.
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge" -Stephen Hawking
Your reasoning is not at all what Baker's is though...Baker was simply basing this on the fact DJ's W/L record at Duke wasn't great - while his at OUs was. The lack of self awareness, and tone deafness to irony, from Baker, was the main point. Baker's WL record in Cleveland is about what DJ's was, percentage wise, at Duke. Your comment may prove valid in the fullness of time. Baker's reasoning was, and will forever be, flawed.
Well a couple of thoughts on that: First, I was taking the initial comments and the reasoning he gave. I doubt, with that kind of reasoning, that he really didn't say it. That said, comparing WL records at Duke versus OU in FB is not a valid comparison for QBs. Second, the first set of comments are far more in line with his personality. Did you hear what he said post facto about his "Ohio State apology?" The reasonable comments from Baker would be the outlier to his personality.
As a Giants fan and a Daniel Jones fan, I really hope that he does not get off the bench the whole season. Hopefully Eli will stay healthy and be reasonably successful so DJ can sit and learn.
The Giants have done some upgrading to their line so that should be helpful. The question mark is the receivers - with Beckham gone the group is meh at best.
It's been fun to watch some of the 180-degree turns some members of the media and sports Twitterverse have taken over the past few weeks.
I think there's a lot of weight to the argument that Jones could have been available at #17, and that taking him at #6 was a stretch, but if you think you have your guy you have to take him and that's what the Giants did.
Put me also in the camp that's trying to stay level-headed. I don't know how Jones will turn out in the NFL, but I do think with his play in the preseason he's at least earned the right to not be written off so easily. He's proven that he's deserving of the opportunity he's been given. Now he just has to make it count.
yup, first the press utterly vilifies Jones as the sixth pick, now he makes some nice throws (which is indeed encouraging) and he's Danny Dimes? Such is life in NY...if he gets in an early game and throws a pick six they'll feed on his carcass like jackals...as a previous poster stated, let him sit and learn (at least initially)...wouldn't mind seeing him later in the season...
I mean, it isn't exactly a sophisticated look, but where exactly is the problem?
The reason I think what Baker said really might have been taken out of context by GQ is that a) the two quotes they pieced together for that clearly had additional dialog in between that GQ omitted and b) if Baker meant that he would not have apologized (based on his past history of doubling down and refusing to apologize).
I think I would rather we just let this one go, but if we're not going to maybe we can at least shy away from poking at the Browns or Mayfields record (how many NFL wins do Duke QBs have in the last 20 years? And it isn't like Jone's college career was really any better than that, anyway) or the extremely lame stereotypical Duke holier than thou "look how those plebes are doing normal working class things like beer!"
Baker Mayfield tends to be a jerk. I'm not generally a fan (I actually liked the flag planting in college but was not a fan of a bunch of other antics and his constant mouth running). But this is much ado about nothing, and a lot of folks here are writing checks that Duke can't cash in college or the pros.
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things. - Winston Churchill
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I think you're missing the gist of some commenters. The subject of QB winning percentage was brought up by Mayfield, not Jones, or DBR. It was Mayfield who was tone deaf about QB winning percentages given than his NFL percentage is about what Jones' college percentage is. It is this missing of the irony, the tone deafness, the lack of self awareness of Mayfield that is the point. The stuff about Duke NFL QBs in the last 20 years is simply not relevant to the topic here. I assume everyone here can understand the irony of Baker's comments....
No, I understand what people are getting at, but Baker's pro career vs. DJ's college career is apples and oranges isn't it? Certainly his college career was much better (obviously he had more talent surrounding him) so I mean, he isn't wrong there. His pro career win % is basically exactly the same as DJs college career anyway (against much better competition than DJ faced in college).
Which is beside the point if you grant that Mayfield's comments were taken out of context, which I suspect they were.
We're gonna have to disagree on this. It was Mayfield who made winning percentage for QBs the ultimate rating...without respects to how talented your team is...and without the self awareness that he himself has a losing record due to the people around him. He missed that irony, on the issue of irony, and lack of self awareness, the comparison to college and pros is not relevant. The only thing that is relevant is the fact that a QB's winning percentage has almost everything to do with the talent around him. Mayfield applied one standard to DJ and was seemingly unaware the same can be applied to him. Thus the irony.