The "Daniel Jones deserves his own thread" thread

[CameronBornAndBred]

I have not watched the games -- has Eli looked bad, or are the Giants just bad? Or something else?

I haven't seen much either, but from what I've read, the answer is both. While many are clamoring for the Giants to start DJ yesterday, most level headed folks seem to think the earliest we'd see in is after week 4.
Tampa Bay is up next, and they aren't good, so it's a good one for Eli to show that he can still be a winner. (FYI, Tampa just beat the Panthers, but that's nothing to brag about this season.)

[AGDukesky]

Eli has been his typical self sans the furious 4th quarter comebacks that happen frequently in those freak seasons when the Giants are destined to play a dominant Patriots team in the Super Bowl. This is not one of those seasons...

[DukieInKansas]

You think 98% of DBR posters wouldn’t rather live in New York City over Cleveland if they had to choose between the two? This is just silly.

Factoring in cost of living, I'd take Cleveland. I've always wanted to be in the 2%.

(I know - late to the thread)

[ChillinDuke]

The guys on Bloomberg news this morning were musing about whether it was time to go to Daniel against Tampa Bay this weekend. I have not watched the games -- has Eli looked bad, or are the Giants just bad? Or something else?

Eli is basically the definition of mediocre at this point. And that might be giving him slightly too much credit. He's 56-89 (66%) for 556 yds and 2-2 TD-INT through 2 games. That's pretty unimpressive. It's not entirely his fault as the Giants receivers are pretty mediocre as well with OBJ gone. And the Giants have basically nothing to play for this year as most would readily admit they are not playoff caliber.

So it's a little bit of a tough call between letting Eli ride off into the NY sunset (emotional) or letting the young kid get some reps in an aimless season (practical).

I personally think they'll give Eli a little more time. But if the season continues like this, I have little doubt that Jones will start at some point.

- Chillin

ETA: Sorry, didn't see that CB&B responded. Should have refreshed.

[flyingdutchdevil]

I haven't seen much either, but from what I've read, the answer is both. While many are clamoring for the Giants to start DJ yesterday, most level headed folks seem to think the earliest we'd see in is after week 4.
Tampa Bay is up next, and they aren't good, so it's a good one for Eli to show that he can still be a winner. (FYI, Tampa just beat the Panthers, but that's nothing to brag about this season.)

It's both, but mainly skewed towards the Giants D. Thus far, Eli is ranked 22nd in QBR, a quarter back rating metric (http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr). 22nd isn't good, but here's the list folks he's currently better than (after 2 games): Rodgers, Winston, Goff, Mayfield, Trubisky, Newton, Roethlisberger, and Cousins.

It's risky to start Jones this early. He is not going to help the Giants this year. And starting him may destroy his confidence. I'd like to see him start much later in the season.

[Acymetric]

I kind of hope DJ doesn't start full time this year. He has got to work out his ball security issues before he gets a lot of game snaps, lest he makes a name for himself as the QB who fumbles all the time. So far he has looked excellent in the preseason and in the handful of snaps he got, except for that.

[scottdude8]

I kind of hope DJ doesn't start full time this year. He has got to work out his ball security issues before he gets a lot of game snaps, lest he makes a name for himself as the QB who fumbles all the time. So far he has looked excellent in the preseason and in the handful of snaps he got, except for that.

I'm with you here too. I'd love to see a more rigorous analysis, but anecdotally I feel that first rounders who have an "apprentice year (at minimum)" seem to pan out in the long term more often than those thrown into the fire (Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes being the primary examples... I believe Carson Palmer also did this way back when). I can't think of a real "bust" off the top of my head that was a Top-15 pick that waited a year to start, but a bunch of busts amongst those who started right away. Heck, Josh Rosen isn't even into his second season and people are already writing him off entirely after being the No. 10 pick last year after struggling on the worst team in the league last year.

That said, if DJ starts he has a safety blanket that very few rookies have ever had in Saquon Barkley, not to mention a top TE in Engram (even if his receiving corps is historically awful). I could imagine a scenario where he starts, Barkley runs it 25 times a game, and half of DJ's passes go to either Barkley or Engram. That would be a nice, controlled, safe way to start his career.

[budwom]

I kind of hope DJ doesn't start full time this year. He has got to work out his ball security issues before he gets a lot of game snaps, lest he makes a name for himself as the QB who fumbles all the time. So far he has looked excellent in the preseason and in the handful of snaps he got, except for that.

yeah, I look forward to seeing DJ on the field, but he's not going to make that bad team suddenly good...I suspect we'll see more of him by mid season...at this point there's no need to hurry things.

[CameronBornAndBred]

Hmmm...

During his Monday morning presser after the Giants' 28-14 Week 2 loss to the Buffalo Bills, Shurmur left the door open for a change at the quarterback position a lot sooner than most originally anticipated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...BBnbfcL#page=2

[rocketeli]

I'm with you here too. I'd love to see a more rigorous analysis, but anecdotally I feel that first rounders who have an "apprentice year (at minimum)" seem to pan out in the long term more often than those thrown into the fire (Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes being the primary examples... I believe Carson Palmer also did this way back when). I can't think of a real "bust" off the top of my head that was a Top-15 pick that waited a year to start, but a bunch of busts amongst those who started right away. Heck, Josh Rosen isn't even into his second season and people are already writing him off entirely after being the No. 10 pick last year after struggling on the worst team in the league last year.

That said, if DJ starts he has a safety blanket that very few rookies have ever had in Saquon Barkley, not to mention a top TE in Engram (even if his receiving corps is historically awful). I could imagine a scenario where he starts, Barkley runs it 25 times a game, and half of DJ's passes go to either Barkley or Engram. That would be a nice, controlled, safe way to start his career.

Well, this could be the old causation versus correlation conundrum. Probably a team that has to start an untried, rookie quarterback is a bad team. And despite fans tending to credit or discredit the QB for everything pass-related on the field, without a good o-line, decent play calling, and receivers that can get open and catch the ball, even the best QB isn't going to look too good.

[OldPhiKap]

Hmmm...



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...BBnbfcL#page=2

Trial balloon? Warning shot to all starters? Genuine uncertainty as to who should start?

Interesting.

[CameronBornAndBred]

Trial balloon? Warning shot to all starters? Genuine uncertainty as to who should start?

Interesting.

Best bet.

[Pghdukie]

Where did the nickname " Danny Dimes" come from ?

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Where did the nickname " Danny Dimes" come from ?

As I heard it, Giants fans on Twitter...that's where it gained traction. This in response to his very accurate passing in pre season games.

[jimsumner]

Factoring in cost of living, I'd take Cleveland. I've always wanted to be in the 2%.

(I know - late to the thread)

I could actually afford to live in Cleveland.

NYC ? I'm too old to share an apartment with four roommates.

[75Crazie]

Adam Shefter is reporting that Jones has just been announced as the starter this coming weekend.

[JasonEvans]

Adam Shefter is reporting that Jones has just been announced as the starter this coming weekend.

At least a month earlier than expected, but Eli has not been good thus far this season.

Being reported by many outlets at this point.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...44y-story.html

[duke74]

At least a month earlier than expected, but Eli has not been good thus far this season.

Being reported by many outlets at this point.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...44y-story.html

Tweeted out by the Giants - per the NY Post

[nmduke2001]

Tweeted out by the Giants - per the NY Post

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...es-starting-qb

[sagegrouse]

Holy, moly! I am praying for Daniel.