The "Daniel Jones deserves his own thread" thread

[HoKogan]

You're proposing a hypothetical that is unknowable. If the Giants did have Mahomes they would have that position settled, he's a franchise QB. Daniel, despite a decent skillset, is not.

No, its not much of a reach. The Giants offense as it currently stands, is not built for success. So you could have a top 5 QB thats still going to struggle mightily because his line can't protect him, and his WRs either can't get open, or can't make catches. If anything, you are putting someone like Mahomes more at risk as he realizes he's going to have to do way more himself to make up for the extreme shortcomings. Nobody is saying Jones doesn't have weaknesses at QB, but those weaknesses are exacerbated by poor line play and no reliable skill players, and those weaknesses would be mitigated if he had a good line and skill players.

[CameronBlue]

Jones is no where near being a 40 million $ a yr QB. Giants screwed up big time. Build the interior lines and the defensive backfield. Then get the QB. Purdue is a steal at 9 million but that will change w next contract.

I agree that the Giants have failed in building a decent team, but I disagree that they screwed up big time. The Giants had few options and needed to secure a QB. Market conditions dictated the salary conversation and Jones was as good a gamble anyone else, better than most. OPK is nowhere NEAR a $40 million a year lawyer, but if I'm drafting from the available talent on DBR, OPK is my choice and will get what the market will bear.

[Steven43]

Jones is no where near being a 40 million $ a yr QB. Giants screwed up big time. Build the interior lines and the defensive backfield. Then get the QB. Purdue is a steal at 9 million but that will change w next contract.

100% disagree. Of the QBs that make more money per season than Daniel Jones I think three of them are currently inferior to him — Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, and Deshaun Watson. Additionally, I would take Jones over three other QBs who make marginally less than him — Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff.

So based on the salaries of other QBs I think Jones is paid at a level right about where he should be.

[Steven43]

I agree that the Giants have failed in building a decent team, but I disagree that they screwed up big time. The Giants had few options and needed to secure a QB. Market conditions dictated the salary conversation and Jones was as good a gamble anyone else, better than most. OPK is nowhere NEAR a $40 million a year lawyer, but if I'm drafting from the available talent on DBR, OPK is my choice and will get what the market will bear.

Somewhere in Georgia OPK is reading your comment and wondering what he did to deserve that semi drive-by. 🤷

He’s like “Thank you soooo much, CameronBlue, for the backhanded compliment!”

[AGDukesky]

Somewhere in Georgia OPK is reading your comment and wondering what he did to deserve that semi drive-by. 🤷

He’s like “Thank you soooo much, CameronBlue, for the backhanded compliment!”

Plus, any lawyer with a sense of humor as good as OPK deserves $40m more than the ones getting it

[NYBri]

IMHO, the biggest problem the Giants had/have comes from a lucky 2022. They didn't deserve the hype and winning record last year (bunch of fluke wins and the ball bouncing their way...and schedule) that made them think they were on the right path to a good team build. Blinded by their smoke and mirrors record, they bit on the 40$ million contract which kept and will keep them from fixing the REAL problem: the OL. Howie has built two Super Bowl teams in the last 5 years through the trenches. You build a great OL, it can hide a ton of QB and RB flaws. I never did understand the NYG love affair with DJ. He's a tier three QB in the NFL. No where near worth the long term $ commitment.

[sagegrouse]

Somewhere in Georgia OPK is reading your comment and wondering what he did to deserve that semi drive-by. 🤷

He’s like “Thank you soooo much, CameronBlue, for the backhanded compliment!”

Well, and Stray Gator has retired.

[sagegrouse]

IMHO, the biggest problem the Giants had/have comes from a lucky 2022. They didn't deserve the hype and winning record last year (bunch of fluke wins and the ball bouncing their way...and schedule) that made them think they were on the right path to a good team build. Blinded by their smoke and mirrors record, they bit on the 40$ million contract which kept and will keep them from fixing the REAL problem: the OL. Howie has built two Super Bowl teams in the last 5 years through the trenches. You build a great OL, it can hide a ton of QB and RB flaws. I never did understand the NYG love affair with DJ. He's a tier three QB in the NFL. No where near worth the long term $ commitment.

This logic doesn't work for me. Their commitment to Daniel is only two year. And the QB has to be able to survive in NY. The NYG could not settle for a second stringer. Any starter would be 25M plus, wouldn't he?

[trinity79]

The real problem with NYG goes back to Dave Gettleman. He used a #1 draft pick on Barkley and nobody would do that in 2023. He overdrafted Jones at #6 I believe. None of their receivers seem to thrive but then do well elsewhere (Toney, Engram) and that goes to coaching.
I expect Dabol and Daniel Jones to be gone after next year, which is too bad.

[FosterCoachK82]

The real problem with NYG goes back to Dave Gettleman. He used a #1 draft pick on Barkley and nobody would do that in 2023. He overdrafted Jones at #6 I believe. None of their receivers seem to thrive but then do well elsewhere (Toney, Engram) and that goes to coaching.
I expect Dabol and Daniel Jones to be gone after next year, which is too bad.

There is no problem with the NYG. They are doing just fine. They will be in the playoffs and then we will see what happens.

[Steven43]

I expect Dabol and Daniel Jones to be gone after next year, which is too bad.

Now hold on just a minute there, pardner. Brian Daboll is considered to be a rising star in the coaching community.

And you only move on from Daniel Jones if you have someone clearly better with whom to replace him. How exactly do you expect that to happen by next year?

[uh_no]

The real problem with NYG goes back to Dave Gettleman. He used a #1 draft pick on Barkley and nobody would do that in 2023. He overdrafted Jones at #6 I believe. None of their receivers seem to thrive but then do well elsewhere (Toney, Engram) and that goes to coaching.
I expect Dabol and Daniel Jones to be gone after next year, which is too bad.

I don't know how the pass protect has managed to be WORSE than last year...but here we are...

[HereBeforeCoachK]

And you only move on from Daniel Jones if you have someone clearly better with whom to replace him. How exactly do you expect that to happen by next year?

Riley Leonard? (LOL, can you see NYG fans if they chose another Duke QB now?).

Seriously though...I expect the Giants to right the ship and have a better year than it appears now. At 1-2 they are kind of where they expected to be after three games realistically. Sure, they've looked worse in those two losses than imaginable, but it's a week to week league...

And I do expect Leonard to be in the NFL...

[FosterCoachK82]

Dallas, Philly, and ( maybe, not sold on them yet) SF are the class of the NFC. After that, Giants are as good or better than any team. Giants will end up looking good by end of season.

[FosterCoachK82]

I'm coming to believe that Daniel is a serviceable QB, mid-tier, 10-20 range but not the all-star the Giants need to pull them out of their institutional funk. I don't think the Giants really believe in themselves and they need a larger than life personality to inspire them. Daniel is dedicated, willing to give up his body for the team but he doesn't have the physical gifts to turn chicken poop into chicken salad. It speaks to the difficulty of the position and rare combination of skills it takes to be that "franchise" guy. At any given time it seems like half the teams in the league are making do with journeymen QBs.

He is better than that. There are only 5-6 NFL teams who would not trade their quarterback for DJ.

[rsvman]

Dallas, Philly, and ( maybe, not sold on them yet) SF are the class of the NFC. After that, Giants are as good or better than any team. Giants will end up looking good by end of season.

I like your positivity, but I think it is quite likely that they won't make the playoffs. They might just be the fourth best team in their division.

[FosterCoachK82]

I like your positivity, but I think it is quite likely that they won't make the playoffs. They might just be the fourth best team in their division.

They will likely finish behind Dallas and Philly. But behind Washington? Impossible.

[peloton]

I like your positivity, but I think it is quite likely that they won't make the playoffs. They might just be the fourth best team in their division.

Do I see a potential pie bet here? Sorry, I have to stir the pot occasionally.

[tommy]

He is better than that. There are only 5-6 NFL teams who would not trade their quarterback for DJ.

Say what??? (Unless you're being facetious and I missed it)

These QBs' teams wouldn't consider trading him for DJ:

Mahomes
Burrow
Josh Allen
Tua
Jalen Hurts
Dak
Lamar Jackson
DeShaun Watson
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Brock Purdy
Matt Stafford


Those are for sure. Then there are a bunch of others who probably wouldn't either, though I suppose you could make a case for it kinda:
Stroud and Bryce Young
Cousins
Derek Carr
Goff
Geno

That's 18.

Then there are a few others that I see as about at DJ's level, like Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett. But we're clearly down in the lower half of starting QBs by this point.

[FosterCoachK82]

Say what??? (Unless you're being facetious and I missed it)

These QBs' teams wouldn't consider trading him for DJ:

Mahomes
Burrow
Josh Allen
Tua
Jalen Hurts
Dak
Lamar Jackson
DeShaun Watson
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Brock Purdy
Matt Stafford


Those are for sure. Then there are a bunch of others who probably wouldn't either, though I suppose you could make a case for it kinda:
Stroud and Bryce Young
Cousins
Derek Carr
Goff
Geno

That's 18.

Then there are a few others that I see as about at DJ's level, like Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett. But we're clearly down in the lower half of starting QBs by this point.

You really think the 49ers would not take Daniel over Purdy? Jones would make the 49ers unbeatable.

Here’s my 5-6:
Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Hurts
Lawrence
maybe Tua

The rest would absolutely seriously consider, and likely trade for DJ.