2022 Men's Basketball Recruiting

[CameronBornAndBred]

Emoni can't jump.

Bates weighed in at 190 pounds, while he measured in at 6-foot-9 in shoes. He recorded a negative wingspan at 6-foot-7.25 inches, a surprisingly short mark considering his height. His vertical jump of 24.5 inches also didn’t stand out amongst his peers.

(From a pro day hosted by Memphis.)
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/emoni-b...012958399.html

[gumbomoop]

I’ll guess Scheyer will want to bring in one transfer big for the ‘22-‘23 season. Banchero is surely gone, Williams highly likely to depart. John and Jones will be gone. Unless (1) Mitchell comes and can play part-time as a small-ball 4, or (2) Worthington or Borden can play 10 minutes inside, we certainly will need a 3d big.

[sagegrouse]

I’ll guess Scheyer will want to bring in one transfer big for the ‘22-‘23 season. Banchero is surely gone, Williams highly likely to depart. John and Jones will be gone. Unless (1) Mitchell comes and can play part-time as a small-ball 4, or (2) Worthington or Borden can play 10 minutes inside, we certainly will need a 3d big.

Well, and it goes without saying (but this is the internet, so I'll say it anyway) that 17/18 YO "big men" are not typically strong enough to hold their own inside; consequently, graduate and upper class transfers, with more avoirdupois and muscle, make a lot more sense.

[ChillinDuke]

Emoni can't jump.



(From a pro day hosted by Memphis.)
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/emoni-b...012958399.html

24.5"? Is that some sort of joke or slowroll that they're playing? That's not even close to average for an NBA player, which the Google device tells me is 28".

Isn't Emoni supposed to be a potential #1 pick?

Should I not be this surprised?

Can I use any more question marks in this post?

- Chillin?

[CameronBornAndBred]

24.5"? Is that some sort of joke or slowroll that they're playing? That's not even close to average for an NBA player, which the Google device tells me is 28".

Isn't Emoni supposed to be a potential #1 pick?

Should I not be this surprised?

Can I use any more question marks in this post?

- Chillin?

Maybe?

[DevilHorse]

24.5"? Is that some sort of joke or slowroll that they're playing? That's not even close to average for an NBA player, which the Google device tells me is 28".

Isn't Emoni supposed to be a potential #1 pick?

Should I not be this surprised?

Can I use any more question marks in this post?

- Chillin?

oh yah! Well Larry Bird had a 28" vertical leap.

Oh, I forget whose side I'm on here..

Never mind.

Larry
DevilHorse

[UrinalCake]

Cam Whitmore just committed to Villanova. SF ranked #21 in the class, UNC had made him a priority recruit but missed out. Breaks my heart.

[CameronBornAndBred]

cam whitmore just committed to villanova. Sf ranked #21 in the class, unc had made him a priority recruit but missed out. Breaks my heart.

[JayZee]

24.5"? Is that some sort of joke or slowroll that they're playing? That's not even close to average for an NBA player, which the Google device tells me is 28".

Isn't Emoni supposed to be a potential #1 pick?

Should I not be this surprised?

Can I use any more question marks in this post?

- Chillin?

Not sure what the difference between vert and approach vert where he is 31.5. Maybe standing vert and running vert? I’d expect his 31.5 to be the comparable number to Zion’s 45…

[camion]

Not sure what the difference between vert and approach vert where he is 31.5. Maybe standing vert and running vert? I’d expect his 31.5 to be the comparable number to Zion’s 45…

If you know physics it's not surprising that Zion's vertical is greater. When someone jumps they go up, but the earth also moves down away from them. Zion probably pushes the earth twice as far away as Emoni Bates does.



A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I embrace danger.

[DoubleBlue]

If you know physics it's not surprising that Zion's vertical is greater. When someone jumps they go up, but the earth also moves down away from them. Zion probably pushes the earth twice as far away as Emoni Bates does.

I think Zion bends time and space. He defies physics.

[CDu]

Not sure what the difference between vert and approach vert where he is 31.5. Maybe standing vert and running vert? I’d expect his 31.5 to be the comparable number to Zion’s 45…

That is correct.

[accfanfrom1970]

I think Zion bends time and space. He defies physics.

This. Zion is not of this world.

[tommy]

24.5"? Is that some sort of joke or slowroll that they're playing? That's not even close to average for an NBA player, which the Google device tells me is 28".

Isn't Emoni supposed to be a potential #1 pick?

Should I not be this surprised?

Can I use any more question marks in this post?

- Chillin?

I bet his jumping/vertical turns out to be fine.

Of greater concern I'm sure to the NBA scouts are his short wingspan/short arms, and small hands.

[JasonEvans]

Because of his age, Bates will not be eligible for the 2022 draft. In theory, he will be at Memphis for 2 seasons (he could transfer or he could go to the GLeague or OTE for a season). That makes him a truly unique young superstar -- a guy with OAD written all over him but who cannot be OAD.

We will have a whole season to see if his jumping/reach limitations cause him to be less effective than expected at Memphis. It certainly did not seem to impact him too much at the high school level (though he is not currently considered the phenom talent that he once was).

[dukelifer]

Because of his age, Bates will not be eligible for the 2022 draft. In theory, he will be at Memphis for 2 seasons (he could transfer or he could go to the GLeague or OTE for a season). That makes him a truly unique young superstar -- a guy with OAD written all over him but who cannot be OAD.

We will have a whole season to see if his jumping/reach limitations cause him to be less effective than expected at Memphis. It certainly did not seem to impact him too much at the high school level (though he is not currently considered the phenom talent that he once was).

Somehow I think this kid has learned to overcome his physical limitations- he plays like a guard, is 6’9” and has a quick release. He may improve his jumping a bit but he also going to gain weight so he may not change it by much. That said- he may not be explosive but shooting is his bread and butter. I expect he will dominate in college and it looks like for 2 years but you never know if he may decide to take a lucrative pro contract overseas.

[DavidBenAkiva]

The coaching staff at Memphis has been talking a lot about Bates as a guard and he may even play PG a little this year. That would make a lot of sense if he has such poor measurables. At his height, he'll be tall enough to see the floor well and is supposedly an advanced shooter. The combination of playmaking and shooting at the lead guard will play up even if he can't elevate. Chris Paul seems to do just fine in that regard. Not sure how good Bates' handle is, but I'm sure the coaching staff at Memphis is working with him on that. The big concern is the ability to defend wings and forwards. If he really is that limited athletically and has such short arms, teams will exploit him through switching. He's going to have to compensate for that with strength. Good thing for him is that he has 2 years to work on it.

The big caveat to all of this is that the figures being shared by Memphis are... questionable. They have former Oregon F Chandler Lawson at 6'7" in a category they call "roster height" (whatever that is - with or without shoes?) and then measure his wingspan at 7'7". That's just unfathomable length for a player that height. Mark Williams, at 7'1", has a 7'8" wingspan, for reference, and he's just about the longest dude Duke has had (until Dereck Lively II shows up next season). You would assume that a player with that absurd length would be good at blocking shots and getting steals. In 2 years at Oregon, Lawson has not been good at either. Joey Baker had nearly identical block and steal rates as Lawson last year. At any rate, the NBA Draft Combine will answer a lot of these questions when the time comes.

[JasonEvans]

The big caveat to all of this is that the figures being shared by Memphis are... questionable. They have former Oregon F Chandler Lawson at 6'7" in a category they call "roster height" (whatever that is - with or without shoes?) and then measure his wingspan at 7'7". That's just unfathomable length for a player that height.

That is ABA* kinda questionable... but it is also probably true. Lawson is known for his wingspan. Back when he signed with Oregon in 2018, I found this article: https://talkbacklivenetwork.org/2018...-oregon-ducks/

Chandler, who possess a 7-foot-6 wingspan, is a complete player capable of locking down a team’s best play on one end, and leading a team in scoring on the other end.

--Jason "* ABA = Armando Bacot arms" Evans

[CDu]

That is ABA* kinda questionable... but it is also probably true. Lawson is known for his wingspan. Back when he signed with Oregon in 2018, I found this article: https://talkbacklivenetwork.org/2018...-oregon-ducks/

--Jason "* ABA = Armando Bacot arms" Evans

Yeah, he reportedly measured a 7'6" wingspan at the 2017 Nike Elite 100 camp: https://future150.com/hs/basketball-...lawson-sf-2019

Apparently a freak wingspan, that is apparently wildly underutilized by him.

As for Bates, I wonder what his standing reach is. It looks like he has an incredibly narrow frame (as in, the width between his shoulders is... not wide). That would of course result in a shorter wingspan even with the same arm length as a normal-framed person. If true, he could have "normal" arms and a narrow torso, which would result in a short wingspan but possibly a more normal standing reach. But it definitely sounds like he's not going to be a length player.

That said, what makes him a top prospect is his skill set. So if he can display that and play guard, it may not matter.

[heyman25]

Any truth to Ball Durham headline that Mitchell is a lean to UCLA. Any news on Starling and Black?