I'm sure they will follow the UNC game plan and hire an army of lawyers.
Came here to get the often-excellent thoughts and opinions on this story and was shocked there wasn't a thread started. So I guess I'll begin my first thread ever here.
On a Duke board.
About an NC State issue.
From a UVA poster.
Hmmmmm.... I *might* have too much time on my hands.
Anyway..... on to the issue:
Quick glance at PackPride, and unsurprisingly (especially after UNC escaped their recent much-publicized NCAA issues with no penalty whatsoever) they are beyond livid and absolutely CERTAIN they'll get hammered for this. Can't say I blame them too much, but hire a guy like Gottfried and you kiiiind of reap what you sow. Personally, with the key players all gone, and them having never benefitted all that much from the "scheme" I hope they don't get hammered too hard.
NCAA gives N.C. State notice of allegations connected to recruitment of Dennis Smith Jr.
I'm sure they will follow the UNC game plan and hire an army of lawyers.
They have. St has retained the same law firm that represented the cheats.
I sure as heck hope we don't. The NC State I know and love has honor and integrity. Our program broke the rules, they need to be punished. That said, the allegations against NC State are actually fairly mild and I think we get a slap on the wrist as a program. There are four allegations.
So, my guess is Gottfried and Early get the good ol' "Show Cause" for 5+ years and retire from coaching.▪ One by former assistant coach Orlando Early in connection to a $40,000 payment during Smith’s recruitment and providing more than $6,600 in impermissible benefits to Smith’s family and associates in the form of excessive complimentary tickets to N.C. State games during Smith’s tenure.
▪ One by former head coach Mark Gottfried for a failure to monitor Early, during Smith’s recruitment; and failure to monitor distribution of excessive complimentary tickets.
According to the details in the NOA, Smith’s family received $4,562 in the form of 106 complimentary tickets to 13 games during the 2016-17 season. Shawn Farmer, an associate and former trainer of Smith, received $2,119 in the form of 44 complimentary tickets to 26 different games.
There are also two Level II violations in the NOA:
▪ One for the provision of the excessive complimentary tickets to Smith’s family and the associates of three other former players.
▪ One, specific to the school, for the failure to monitor the provision of the complimentary tickets.
The two allegations that involve NC State are with regards to comp tickets and I guess we perhaps lose a scholarship for a year or two. We also have to erase from our record books Smith's one season, which is fine since it was so forgettable.
It could have been a lot worse.
Sage Grouse
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'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013
Unfortunately, you don't get to vacate losses, of which their were many. /sob
When ordered to vacate a season, you are also supposed to vacate all the records and stats for that season as well, but as we've seen with the Cheaters, that doesn't really mean anything other than an asterisk in the media guide.
The more I think about this, the better I feel for NC State. This was directly mainly at the coaches and not the school. I think State is benefiting from the Kansas and Arizona effect. In other words, the NCAA is looking for a way to drop the hammer on the coaches involved and wrist slap the schools. The worst charge directed at NC State is failing to monitor comp tickets, and if I had to guess I'd say we had something to monitor that the Gottfried and Early bypassed in an unethical manner.
I wouldn't surprise me to see similar NOA's at the other schools involved. Heavily focused on the coaches with a few level II violations targeted at the school.
I recall something about a group of lawyers falling off a cliff. I believe the term was a “goodstart”...
Is that like the Six Sigmas: teamwork, insight, brutality, male enhancement, handshakefulness, and play hard?
https://vimeo.com/24784020
A doctor, a lawyer, and an engineer were arguing over which of their three professions was oldest.
"Well, of course it's medicine" proclaimed the doctor. "If you read the Book of Genesis, God took a rib from Adam to create Eve. That is an act of surgery,"
"Ah, but engineering is even older than that," replied the engineer. "Before that, Genesis tells us that there was chaos and that God then created order in the first few days. That is clearly a feat of civil engineering."
"Nah, the legal profession is even older than that" said the lawyer. "Who do you think created the chaos in the first place?"
(Note that jokes comparing lawyers to "the oldest profession in the world," while legion, are pretty trite).
-- OPK, Esq.