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  1. #341
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    Quote Originally Posted by BD80 View Post
    Excuse me, Kyrie is easily one of the 20+ Top-ten players in the league.


    I am one of the 80% that considers himself an above-average driver.
    Raise your hand if you had to read that two times...and then laughed.

    Quote Originally Posted by rsvman View Post
    I don't understand that world at all. I'd be more than happy to make, say, $3 million a year even if somebody else was making $30+ million. Honestly, what difference does it make? I mean, I understand wanting to make as much as you can, but I've been working as a physician for 30 years and (although I'm not going to stop and do the math) I honestly don't think I've made $3 million gross income yet, even with 30 years of hard work as a professional. (You may think that's impossible, but I happened to choose the lowest paying medical job in the world, and for the first 12 years of my professional life my highest salary was $65/year, which I only made for the last three years of that 12-year period.)

    I guess what I'm saying is that it's hard to feel sorry for somebody who "only" makes $3 million a year, even if other teammates are making 10 times more and not producing as much. In the grand scheme of things, what do you need that you can afford on a $30 million salary that you can't afford on a $3 million salary? I mean, seriously. /rant
    A couple of notes, a $3m salary means you are doing quite well for yourself and your parents. A $30m salary means a change for your extended family and future generations. More importantly, however, I ignore the actual number and think about in relative terms in numbers real people can relate to. So someone you know is doing a great job and earning $60,000 a year. They have a co-worker doing a similar job making $600,000 a year. That could be an issue.

  2. #342
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsvman View Post
    I don't understand that world at all. I'd be more than happy to make, say, $3 million a year even if somebody else was making $30+ million.
    It’s all relative I guess. Somebody making minimum wage would look at a professional making $100k and wonder why they want a raise that would pay them $150k. To them, $100k is already a lot of money and they would be happy to make that much and can’t understand why someone in that position would complain.

    Also consider that professional athletes have a window of maybe 10 years to earn all the money they can for their whole careers. And they’ve got agents, managers, personal trainers, etc. all taking a cut, after taxes. Yes they can do other things after they retire, but they e spent their whole lives preparing to be professional ball players so they’ve got to maximize their earnings while they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awhom111 View Post
    Keith Smith is reporting that the Magic have pulled Amile's qualifying offer, making him an unrestricted free agent.
    Amile back to Orlando for another year. (Two way contract)

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  4. #344
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsvman View Post
    I don't understand that world at all. I'd be more than happy to make, say, $3 million a year even if somebody else was making $30+ million. Honestly, what difference does it make? I mean, I understand wanting to make as much as you can, but I've been working as a physician for 30 years and (although I'm not going to stop and do the math) I honestly don't think I've made $3 million gross income yet, even with 30 years of hard work as a professional. (You may think that's impossible, but I happened to choose the lowest paying medical job in the world, and for the first 12 years of my professional life my highest salary was $65/year, which I only made for the last three years of that 12-year period.)

    I guess what I'm saying is that it's hard to feel sorry for somebody who "only" makes $3 million a year, even if other teammates are making 10 times more and not producing as much. In the grand scheme of things, what do you need that you can afford on a $30 million salary that you can't afford on a $3 million salary? I mean, seriously. /rant
    Sixty-five dollars working for a year as a physician seems pretty low. They get paid better than that here in Canada, even in the public system. 😀
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSDukeFan View Post
    Sixty-five dollars working for a year as a physician seems pretty low. They get paid better than that here in Canada, even in the public system. 😀
    But it does keep you in a low tax bracket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    Those three were all on rookie contracts, so I’m not following how they would be frustrated by the higher salaries of the older players. That’s just how the league works. Unless you’re suggesting that they were looking ahead to their upcoming second contracts and felt that the team wasn’t keeping enough cap space clear to be able to reward them when their time came?
    Quote Originally Posted by cato View Post
    Have you never worked in a situation where a colleague gets paid a lot more, and gets more time in the spotlight, despite producing less? It can be very galling, even if (or perhaps particularly) that is just how the comp structure works.
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Just so we are clear, my fine smelling friend, this salary friction on the Celtics is not something we are just making up here on the DBR. Both Yahoo and NBA sports have reported on it in the past 48 hours. So, while you may not find it likely, it appears to be pretty solidly in the media narrative at this point.
    If true, it suggests that these guys were going to be unhappy and cause friction no matter what team they were on or who the older players were. They were never going to be the highest paid players on their teams while on their rookie contracts.

    I'll add that Tatum didn't exactly set the world on fire last year.

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    Not necessarily. If your studs play like studs then there might be less resentment

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    Quote Originally Posted by brlftz View Post
    Not necessarily. If your studs play like studs then there might be less resentment
    Which I can totally understand from a playing time standpoint (I would have been surprised if there hadn't been resentment over that especially with Hayward). How many teams don't have 2nd-3rd contract role-player types making more than these guys on their first contract despite clearly not being as talented? Is there a single one?

  9. #349
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    From the espn article on Kyle Korver signing with the Bucks, there is a table of the current players with the most consecutive seasons making the playoffs. Redick, as we know, is in the lead. Here are the others:


    Kyle Korver has the second-longest active streak of consecutive playoff appearances, one that seems likely to continue with his move to Milwaukee.
    Years
    JJ Redick 13
    Kyle Korver 12
    James Harden 10
    Patty Mills 10
    Three tied 9
    Patty Mills has been in the NBA ten years?
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    Unfortunately, Redick”s streak is in severe jeopardy this season

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGDukesky View Post
    Unfortunately, Redick”s streak is in severe jeopardy this season
    Yeah. Pelicans should be fun to watch, but the West is going to be stacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGDukesky View Post
    Unfortunately, Redick”s streak is in severe jeopardy this season
    Really hope this turns out to be wrong! So many Blue Devils on that team...would love for Zion to just kill it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGDukesky View Post
    Unfortunately, Redick”s streak is in severe jeopardy this season
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Yeah. Pelicans should be fun to watch, but the West is going to be stacked.
    Quote Originally Posted by elvis14 View Post
    Really hope this turns out to be wrong! So many Blue Devils on that team...would love for Zion to just kill it!
    Gives us a sub-theme for the Pelicans' season" "Keep JJ's streak alive!" But, I can envision mid-season, if the Pelicans falter, we may want him to be traded to a contender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Gives us a sub-theme for the Pelicans' season" "Keep JJ's streak alive!" But, I can envision mid-season, if the Pelicans falter, we may want him to be traded to a contender.
    If the Pels look like they aren't going to be pushing for a playoff spot, the decision on what to do with JJ will be a really interesting one that will say a lot about where Griffin sees the team going in the next few years. JJ is absolutely a piece that a lot of playoff teams would love to have, so you could see someone throwing a nice pick/young player to the Pels to get him for the stretch run. But he's such an important piece for the Pels, given how little shooting they have to spread the floor, and he's such a great culture piece and fit both on the court and in the lockerroom with Jrue, that I'd be a little surprised if they did give him up if they thought they would have a shot at the playoffs the NEXT year. Basically, if they trade him, I'd take it a pretty clear sign that they think they are much further from being a playoff-level team than everyone thinks they are at this point, and wouldn't be surprised to see a general firesale of guys who don't fit that longer timeline (Jrue?). My sense is that they're happy to play the long game with Zion, Hayes, and the zillion draft picks they got back for Davis, but also to push to be a good team in the short term with Jrue, JJ, and the young guys from the Lakers. They're going to be a completely fascinating team to watch all year, that's for sure.

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    I would think the Pels want to win now so that Zion is more likely to stay. The last thing they want is to develop Zion and then lose him in free agency. All of that assumes Zion is approaching his expected potential by that time...

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    “I wouldn’t go to a team if I thought they didn’t have a chance to make the playoffs.”

    NOLA.com: J.J. Redick explains his decision behind joining the new-look Pelicans

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGDukesky View Post
    I would think the Pels want to win now so that Zion is more likely to stay. The last thing they want is to develop Zion and then lose him in free agency. All of that assumes Zion is approaching his expected potential by that time...
    Franchise players rarely leave after their rookie contract. They always sign the extension. That gives the Pellies at least a Sox year window. No pressure to ‘win now’.
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