Annoyed
(a) Your second para. is just the phenomenon of being the "best-known" program. You may hate the duke team, but the Duke fans are really civil compared to other fan bases. Now, the structure of Cameron makes all the fans seem noisier.
(b) You know how horribly obnoxious Maryland and Rutgers fans are compared to the college fans in the rest of the nation? There is no limit to what they will say. I remember when Rutgers played Navy in football, they were wishing the Middies to die in war -- uhh, that's in defending the US of A. Well, they all grow up to be even worse as adults -- and there you have Philly, NY and Boston fans. "Knowledge" has nothing to do with it, if the behavior is so obnoxious. And, in my experience, the level of obnoxiousness is worse there than in other other regions of the country.
But maybe I haven't watched sports in enough cities.
Sage Grouse
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'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013
Annoyed
Kyle gets BUCKETS!
https://youtu.be/NJWPASQZqLc
First, apologies to Furniture. But, this thread is irretrievably broken, so I'll go back on my word and respond.
I probably would have booed him too. I guess that makes me a dillweed. I love Jones, I love that he's from Duke, rooting for him, but if I were a Giants fan, I'd be in the "he's a #6 pick????" camp. They are knowledgeable enough to question the wisdom of the pick, passionate enough to make that opinion clear, and committed to root for the Giants no matter what happens in the end. Warm and fuzzy, no. But fans, yes.
Re point #1: then why doesn't everyone hate Villanova? Or Kansas, or the Zags? I think we're ignoring an elephant in the room if we're saying that the only reason other fans hate Duke is because we are well-known. Agree that Duke civility means that behavior is not a reason to hate us, but I can think of several other reasons beyond just being well-known.
And, again, I don't defend boorish behavior a la Maryland, or Philly snowball throwers. But I am amazed at the willingness of a purportedly enlightened group to make a blanket generalization that all East Coast fans are obnoxious jerks. That's ridiculous: some of the best fans I know are Easterners who root for (in my circle) the Eagles and Sixers.
You said "the most hated college basketball FANS." That's different from "team." Anyway, "most polls" are based on awareness of the options. How many times have we seen the big city glossy mags name the same restaurant as "best" and "most-overrated?" Name recognition is really important -- in basketball it's Duke. Also, chant material: "I hate Duke" is fairly clear; "I hate Kentucky" means exactly what? The state, horse racing, KFC -- not totally clear unless expressly in a hoops context.
I didn't say "all East Coast fans are obnoxious jerks." It only takes 5-10 percent. Or maybe one percent?
Sage Grouse
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'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013
Knowledgeable enough to be led like sheep by the prestigious popular press in NYC? We have different standards of knowledgeable. This supports my claim, many NYC fans claim to be knowledgeable while loudly acting upon the opinions of others.
It is your own "blanket generalization" that proves my point:
Such a high, unjustified, opinion of themselves = obnoxious.... if we exclude jealousy, then objectively it's impossible to deny that Boston/NYC/Philly fans are also at the top of the list for knowledge, passion, and commitment. If you're not them, you hate them.
Boo the front office, the scouts, and the coaches if you think Jones was not a smart pick at #6... but why would you boo the player? The absolute worst thing you could say about Daniel Jones is that he played really well for Duke; had some really good workouts after his Duke career ended; came off as smart and hard-working in interviews; displayed confidence in his own abilities; and had multiple smart football people say good things about him... all of that led to the Giants picking him number 6.
So, please explain to me what aspect of that would lead you to want to boo him?
-Jason "I strongly suspect folks are going to look back on the Jones pick and think it was smart... a decent starting QB is worth a lot more than the #6 pick" Evans
Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?
Kyle gets BUCKETS!
https://youtu.be/NJWPASQZqLc
Don't want to get all the way into the weeds, and I don't want to spend more of everyone's time defending boorish behavior. I like Jones, I want him to succeed, and I automatically root for all Dukies in the pros. I'm just saying that if I were as passionate about the Giants as I am about the Devils, and if I felt that Jones was not a great pick, then in the absence of the ability to actually boo the GM, the front office, and the scouts, I might have stooped low enough to boo Jones. I guess I'm just not as evolved as the rest of you when it comes to angelic behavior in the stands (Hey, I am from Philly--maybe it is indeed inborn?). Enough of this, sorry for prolonging this tangential discussion. Lots of East Coast fans are jerks. Lots of East Coast fans are not jerks and are passionate fans of their teams. Maybe we can at least agree about that.
When did Jones make it into the NBA? Impressive.
UM. Here's some actual NBA news...Grayson is now a Grizzly. See DBR front page. Discuss.
We've been talking about it for several hours in the NBA Summer Trades/Free Agency thread.
Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?
According to Daniel Jones, basketball is his favorite sport. And he does have a brother playing hoops at Davidson. But his football skill-set surpassed his basketball skill set. And it seems to have worked out for him.
And maybe it's just me but the only reason I can think of for booing an athlete is if they are deliberately trying to injure someone.
As always, YMMV.
The Pelicans are picking up Jah’s option for next season:
Pelicans are picking up Jahlil Okafor’s team option for the 2019-2020 season, league sources tell ESPN. The New Orleans staff is impressed by the way Okafor has reworked his body and the improvements he’s made on the defensive end of the floor.
He gets $1.7 mil... good money for you and me, but basically just the veteran minimum for a NBA player. Whew, the market on him was truly awful for him to have signed this contract.
-Jason "Jah will be an unrestricted free agent after this coming season, which is a little bit better than his fellow class of 2015 guys who were restricted free agents" Evans
Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?