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    NCAA D1 Rule Changes for 2019-2020

    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ck-next-season

    - 3 Point line will be moved from 20 feet 9 inches to the international distance of 22 feet, 1.75 inches.

    - Shot clock will reset to 20 seconds after an offensive rebound.

    - Players being assessed technical fouls for using derogatory language about an opponent's race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or disability;

    - Allowing coaches to call live-ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime;

    - Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.


    I am so excited for these changes, especially the shot clock change. College hoops is going to be a little higher paced next year, and the paint will be a little less congested. Screw you, Virginia & other ultra-slow teams!

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    I was unaware that the third rule was needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WakeDevil View Post
    I was unaware that the third rule was needed.
    I guess it's an automatic technical under this new rule whereas before that type of language was grouped into the technicals refs could give, in their discretion, for taunting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fish80 View Post
    Any initial thoughts on what moving the 3 point line does to 3 point percentage made? Any way to find stats?
    Here are stats cited in the announcement on NCAA.com:

    Teams in the 2019 NIT averaged 23.1 field goal attempts in the tournament from behind the arc, compared with 22.8 3-point attempts in the 2018-19 regular season. The 3-point shooting percentage of teams in the 2019 NIT was 33%, compared with their regular season average of 35.2%.

    When the line was moved before the 2008-09 season, the distance went from 19 feet, 9 inches to 20 feet, 9 inches. The percentage of 3-point shots made during that season compared with the previous season declined from 35.2% to 34.4%. The percentage of made 3-point field goals steadily increased back to 35.2% in Division I by the 2017-18 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WakeDevil View Post
    I was unaware that the third rule was needed.
    You would think there is a general rule against offensive actions and language that would cover these also. I can't believe they are setting up a system where one set of offensive insults is OK and only those on a specific list of categories is punishable. That would just be beyond comprehension.

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    I'm fine with all of these except the replay rule. Although that does not come up often, replays take WAYYYYYY to long and just kill the game.

    I would be in favor of a rule -- replays must be concluded within 90 seconds or else the call stands. For everything. Soccer seems to be the only major sport that gets this right.

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    Agree

    Quote Originally Posted by OldPhiKap View Post
    I'm fine with all of these except the replay rule. Although that does not come up often, replays take WAYYYYYY to long and just kill the game.

    I would be in favor of a rule -- replays must be concluded within 90 seconds or else the call stands. For everything. Soccer seems to be the only major sport that gets this right.
    All replays in any sport take too long and end any momentum a team has built. And even after replay they don't always get it right. Bad choice in my opinion.

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    Too bad the charging call didnt exist when Tyler Hansborough played at Unc. He'd have been a role player at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldPhiKap View Post
    I'm fine with all of these except the replay rule. Although that does not come up often, replays take WAYYYYYY to long and just kill the game.

    I would be in favor of a rule -- replays must be concluded within 90 seconds or else the call stands. For everything. Soccer seems to be the only major sport that gets this right.
    I agree OPK. They take way too long.But I am for 60 seconds or call on the floor stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ck-next-season

    - 3 Point line will be moved from 20 feet 9 inches to the international distance of 22 feet, 1.75 inches.

    - Shot clock will reset to 20 seconds after an offensive rebound.

    - Players being assessed technical fouls for using derogatory language about an opponent's race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or disability;

    - Allowing coaches to call live-ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime;

    - Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.


    I am so excited for these changes, especially the shot clock change. College hoops is going to be a little higher paced next year, and the paint will be a little less congested. Screw you, Virginia & other ultra-slow teams!
    At first glance, I like all of these. Especially the shot clock and 3 point line changes since they should be the most impactful. I do hope that they speed the game up some, improve spacing and makes the game flow more.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigWayne View Post
    You would think there is a general rule against offensive actions and language that would cover these also. I can't believe they are setting up a system where one set of offensive insults is OK and only those on a specific list of categories is punishable. That would just be beyond comprehension.
    Looking at the list above (which I bolded), I'd say that calling them out specifically is a great idea. Not get all PP but that's basically the 'don't go there' list when attempting to achieve common decency. If refs are consistent, players will learn very quickly what not to say (and hopefully they apply that lesson to their everyday life).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWayne View Post
    You would think there is a general rule against offensive actions and language that would cover these also. I can't believe they are setting up a system where one set of offensive insults is OK and only those on a specific list of categories is punishable. That would just be beyond comprehension.
    Totally agree.

    If one player call another a M____r F____r, is that a technical? Is he attacking the other's sexual propensities? What if he called him an oedipal A__ H__? Is there a difference?

    Legislating such things is much like herding cats, pornography laws should have taught us that. As long as those with moral superiority on their side are making the rules, they'll keep trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BD80 View Post
    Totally agree.

    If one player call another a M____r F____r, is that a technical? Is he attacking the other's sexual propensities? What if he called him an oedipal A__ H__? Is there a difference?

    Legislating such things is much like herding cats, pornography laws should have taught us that. As long as those with moral superiority on their side are making the rules, they'll keep trying.
    It is a solution in search of a problem.

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    The longer 3-pt line's effect on OAD might be underrated. I think this might actually end the OAD era at Duke instead of counting on NBA owners and players to finally agree on a deal to end the OAD rule.

    Whereas the previous 1' difference between high school and college was minor, the now ~2.5' difference is going to be a problem for college freshmen, imo. You basically want to recruit 3-4 year players who will have time to gradually extend their range. It's either that or you successfully recruit all the very best shooters in the nation every single year, guys that are already accurately shooting deep 3-pters while in high school a la Boogie Ellis.

    Quote Originally Posted by WakeDevil View Post
    I was unaware that the third rule was needed.
    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    1. I am surprised that slurs weren't already grounds for a technical.
    Quote Originally Posted by BigWayne View Post
    You would think there is a general rule against offensive actions and language that would cover these also. I can't believe they are setting up a system where one set of offensive insults is OK and only those on a specific list of categories is punishable. That would just be beyond comprehension.
    Yeah, there is almost certainly already an "unsportsmanlike conduct" type rule that already covers these insults. Also, for many reasons, I don't think the insults were common in the game and going unpunished prior to this rule addition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BD80 View Post
    Totally agree.

    If one player call another a M____r F____r, is that a technical? Is he attacking the other's sexual propensities? What if he called him an oedipal A__ H__? Is there a difference?

    Legislating such things is much like herding cats, pornography laws should have taught us that. As long as those with moral superiority on their side are making the rules, they'll keep trying.
    Both of your examples are just fine. It's not anywhere near as M_____ F___ing hard as you suggest to teach these young men to show simple decency in regards to a small set of simple issues and not be a bunch of A__ H___s. When was the last time you saw a player make a play and do a throat slash? I don't remember because it was taken out of the game and it's not missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanarkel View Post
    Umm, Auburn vs. NMState, NCAAT first round, during the Aggies' player's three free throws at the end of the game.
    And not only that, Auburn did it AGAIN when UVa went to the foul line in the exact same situation -- down 2, shooting three FTs, but this time, the guy (pun intended) made them.

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    I have a few thoughts on these:

    1. I am surprised that slurs weren't already grounds for a technical. Obviously, I'm glad that they are officially so now
    2. I am not sure how I feel about the extension of the 3-point line vis-a-vis UVa. On the one hand, they'd have to go further out to defend the 3. On the other, by extending the 3pt line further, 3pt shooting %s will likely go down. If so, I could actually see UVa packing it in even more. If defending the 3 point line is less punitive, why wouldn't they decide to work even harder to protect the paint?
    3. I love the reset to 20 seconds on offensive rebounds. That should definitely help with pace of play.

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    Any initial thoughts on what moving the 3 point line does to 3 point percentage made? Any way to find stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish80 View Post
    Any initial thoughts on what moving the 3 point line does to 3 point percentage made? Any way to find stats?
    Well, it surely goes down. It is just a question of how much. Sounds like about 1-2% worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish80 View Post
    Any initial thoughts on what moving the 3 point line does to 3 point percentage made? Any way to find stats?
    I think our 2018-2019 three point percentage retroactively goes down even further. If possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    I have a few thoughts on these:

    1. I am surprised that slurs weren't already grounds for a technical. Obviously, I'm glad that they are officially so now
    Not a real change, just codifying it...

    From 2018-2019 Men's Rulebook, http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/BR19.pdf

    pg 96
    Section 3. CLASS A Unsporting Technical Infractions
    Art. 1. A player or substitute committing an unsportsmanlike act including, but not limited to, the following:

    b. Using profanity or vulgarity; taunting, baiting or ridiculing another player or bench personnel; or pointing a finger at or making obscene gestures toward another player or bench personnel.


    pg 106

    Section 1. Bench Decorum
    a. Unsportsmanlike Conduct. Coaches and bench personnel are expected to adhere to the specific rule set forth in Rule 10-3.2. Repeated or prolonged violations of these rules should result in a technical foul being assessed against the coach or other bench personnel. More egregious conduct violations, while inside or outside the coaching box, should be properly and consistently penalized with a technical foul without warning. Examples of egregious conduct violations include (emphasis mine), but are not limited to, the following:

    2. Profane, vulgar, threatening or derogatory remarks or personal comments relating to race, ethnicity, religion, gender or sexual orientation directed at or referring to any game official or opposing player/bench personnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ck-next-season
    - Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.
    Have to imagine support for this grew after the LSU-Kentucky game, when LSU won on a buzzer-beating tip in that was probably offensive interference.

    I understand the desire to get things right, but I am fairly against adding to the list of things that are reviewable. We have more than enough replay as it is. The sport has a real problem with games lacking flow at the end. This, while only an incremental change, continues to add to that problem.

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