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    NCAA D1 Rule Changes for 2019-2020

    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ck-next-season

    - 3 Point line will be moved from 20 feet 9 inches to the international distance of 22 feet, 1.75 inches.

    - Shot clock will reset to 20 seconds after an offensive rebound.

    - Players being assessed technical fouls for using derogatory language about an opponent's race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or disability;

    - Allowing coaches to call live-ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime;

    - Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.


    I am so excited for these changes, especially the shot clock change. College hoops is going to be a little higher paced next year, and the paint will be a little less congested. Screw you, Virginia & other ultra-slow teams!

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    I was unaware that the third rule was needed.

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    I have a few thoughts on these:

    1. I am surprised that slurs weren't already grounds for a technical. Obviously, I'm glad that they are officially so now
    2. I am not sure how I feel about the extension of the 3-point line vis-a-vis UVa. On the one hand, they'd have to go further out to defend the 3. On the other, by extending the 3pt line further, 3pt shooting %s will likely go down. If so, I could actually see UVa packing it in even more. If defending the 3 point line is less punitive, why wouldn't they decide to work even harder to protect the paint?
    3. I love the reset to 20 seconds on offensive rebounds. That should definitely help with pace of play.

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    Any initial thoughts on what moving the 3 point line does to 3 point percentage made? Any way to find stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ck-next-season
    - Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.
    Have to imagine support for this grew after the LSU-Kentucky game, when LSU won on a buzzer-beating tip in that was probably offensive interference.

    I understand the desire to get things right, but I am fairly against adding to the list of things that are reviewable. We have more than enough replay as it is. The sport has a real problem with games lacking flow at the end. This, while only an incremental change, continues to add to that problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth&Justise View Post
    Have to imagine support for this grew after the LSU-Kentucky game, when LSU won on a buzzer-beating tip in that was probably offensive interference.

    I understand the desire to get things right, but I am fairly against adding to the list of things that are reviewable. We have more than enough replay as it is. The sport has a real problem with games lacking flow at the end. This, while only an incremental change, continues to add to that problem.
    Yes, I think this is a real risk. We already see endless delays at the end of games while refs review exactly where the clock should be--when who knows how many seconds may have run off erroneously earlier in the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth&Justise View Post
    Have to imagine support for this grew after the LSU-Kentucky game, when LSU won on a buzzer-beating tip in that was probably offensive interference.
    It's not clear that the LSU-Kentucky situation would qualify for review under this rule, since that was a no-call, rather than an erroneous call a la the one at the end of the UCLA-SMU first round NCAA game in 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp2x4TiYTjY

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    Quote Originally Posted by WakeDevil View Post
    I was unaware that the third rule was needed.
    I guess it's an automatic technical under this new rule whereas before that type of language was grouped into the technicals refs could give, in their discretion, for taunting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fish80 View Post
    Any initial thoughts on what moving the 3 point line does to 3 point percentage made? Any way to find stats?
    Here are stats cited in the announcement on NCAA.com:

    Teams in the 2019 NIT averaged 23.1 field goal attempts in the tournament from behind the arc, compared with 22.8 3-point attempts in the 2018-19 regular season. The 3-point shooting percentage of teams in the 2019 NIT was 33%, compared with their regular season average of 35.2%.

    When the line was moved before the 2008-09 season, the distance went from 19 feet, 9 inches to 20 feet, 9 inches. The percentage of 3-point shots made during that season compared with the previous season declined from 35.2% to 34.4%. The percentage of made 3-point field goals steadily increased back to 35.2% in Division I by the 2017-18 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WakeDevil View Post
    I was unaware that the third rule was needed.
    You would think there is a general rule against offensive actions and language that would cover these also. I can't believe they are setting up a system where one set of offensive insults is OK and only those on a specific list of categories is punishable. That would just be beyond comprehension.

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    I'm fine with all of these except the replay rule. Although that does not come up often, replays take WAYYYYYY to long and just kill the game.

    I would be in favor of a rule -- replays must be concluded within 90 seconds or else the call stands. For everything. Soccer seems to be the only major sport that gets this right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ck-next-season

    - 3 Point line will be moved from 20 feet 9 inches to the international distance of 22 feet, 1.75 inches.

    - Shot clock will reset to 20 seconds after an offensive rebound.

    - Players being assessed technical fouls for using derogatory language about an opponent's race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or disability;

    - Allowing coaches to call live-ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime;

    - Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.


    I am so excited for these changes, especially the shot clock change. College hoops is going to be a little higher paced next year, and the paint will be a little less congested. Screw you, Virginia & other ultra-slow teams!
    At first glance, I like all of these. Especially the shot clock and 3 point line changes since they should be the most impactful. I do hope that they speed the game up some, improve spacing and makes the game flow more.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigWayne View Post
    You would think there is a general rule against offensive actions and language that would cover these also. I can't believe they are setting up a system where one set of offensive insults is OK and only those on a specific list of categories is punishable. That would just be beyond comprehension.
    Looking at the list above (which I bolded), I'd say that calling them out specifically is a great idea. Not get all PP but that's basically the 'don't go there' list when attempting to achieve common decency. If refs are consistent, players will learn very quickly what not to say (and hopefully they apply that lesson to their everyday life).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish80 View Post
    Any initial thoughts on what moving the 3 point line does to 3 point percentage made? Any way to find stats?
    Well, it surely goes down. It is just a question of how much. Sounds like about 1-2% worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWayne View Post
    You would think there is a general rule against offensive actions and language that would cover these also. I can't believe they are setting up a system where one set of offensive insults is OK and only those on a specific list of categories is punishable. That would just be beyond comprehension.
    Totally agree.

    If one player call another a M____r F____r, is that a technical? Is he attacking the other's sexual propensities? What if he called him an oedipal A__ H__? Is there a difference?

    Legislating such things is much like herding cats, pornography laws should have taught us that. As long as those with moral superiority on their side are making the rules, they'll keep trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    - Allowing coaches to call live-ball timeouts in the last two minutes of the second half and overtime;
    Ugh. I wasn't a fan of taking away the ability of a coach to call a timeout (nor of taking away the diving out of bounds timeout call) but this is even worse. Either they can or they can't, I hate the "inside 2 minutes" type rules in pretty much all sports but especially here.

    - Conducting instant replay review for goaltending or basket interference calls in the final two minutes of the second half and overtime.
    Again with the EoG rules. Otherwise, this would be a good thing except they're going to execute it terrribly and the already 10-15 minute long final 2 minutes is going to be damn near an hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish80 View Post
    Any initial thoughts on what moving the 3 point line does to 3 point percentage made? Any way to find stats?
    I think our 2018-2019 three point percentage retroactively goes down even further. If possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BD80 View Post
    Totally agree.

    If one player call another a M____r F____r, is that a technical? Is he attacking the other's sexual propensities? What if he called him an oedipal A__ H__? Is there a difference?

    Legislating such things is much like herding cats, pornography laws should have taught us that. As long as those with moral superiority on their side are making the rules, they'll keep trying.
    It is a solution in search of a problem.

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    The longer 3-pt line's effect on OAD might be underrated. I think this might actually end the OAD era at Duke instead of counting on NBA owners and players to finally agree on a deal to end the OAD rule.

    Whereas the previous 1' difference between high school and college was minor, the now ~2.5' difference is going to be a problem for college freshmen, imo. You basically want to recruit 3-4 year players who will have time to gradually extend their range. It's either that or you successfully recruit all the very best shooters in the nation every single year, guys that are already accurately shooting deep 3-pters while in high school a la Boogie Ellis.

    Quote Originally Posted by WakeDevil View Post
    I was unaware that the third rule was needed.
    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    1. I am surprised that slurs weren't already grounds for a technical.
    Quote Originally Posted by BigWayne View Post
    You would think there is a general rule against offensive actions and language that would cover these also. I can't believe they are setting up a system where one set of offensive insults is OK and only those on a specific list of categories is punishable. That would just be beyond comprehension.
    Yeah, there is almost certainly already an "unsportsmanlike conduct" type rule that already covers these insults. Also, for many reasons, I don't think the insults were common in the game and going unpunished prior to this rule addition.

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    A drumbeat you are starting to hear on TV in football, basketball, and baseball is to limit the time you can review tape to 60 seconds. (I think 90 seconds would be better.) It doesn't improve the quality of officiating to let it go for 10 minutes with the Halloween football game serving as a prime example. If you can't overturn the call in 90 seconds, it stands.

    I'm questioning when basketball reviews start to go to a centralized center like football and baseball. If we reach that point, have two officials review the tape at once--one for the judgment call and one for the clock.
    Last edited by duke2x; 06-05-2019 at 11:13 PM.

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    Last five minute reviews are in danger of ruining the game. The implicit extra time outs, the long dramatic pauses, the rest... Changes the end game.

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    I pretty much hate all these rule changes except for lengthening the three.

    I guess I kind of miss the game we called basketball when I was a kid. I don't understand all the food about pace of play. Why, exactly, is faster better? I don't see it.

    Oh, and I'm glad they are allowing coaches to call time outs in the last two minutes, but it's too little. A coach should be able to call a time out anytime he wants one. For the life of me I don't know why they changed that rule in the first place.

    Wow, I really sound like a curmudgeon in this post, lol.

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