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    Avengers: Endgame (SPOILER THREAD!!!)

    Ok, we are just hours from the rest of you seeing this film. So, I am starting the spoiler thread. Do not keep reading if you want to avoid spoilers.

    I'm serious...

    Stop reading now...

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    A few random thoughts...

    1) Dr. Strange raising his finger to Iron Man, to indicate there was 1 way... only 1 way... of defeating the Mad Titan. Tony instantly knows what that one way is and gives his life to save everyone else. Amazing. I had tears pouring down my cheeks. Here is my question -- would Tony have given his life if he had not been told by Strange that this was the only way to win?

    2) "Cap, on your left." The entire theater went insane when those wormholes opened and every hero in existence walked out to back up Cap.

    3) Thanos' two-ended sword thing. That was one bad-!#^@$& weapon!

    4) I was so puzzled at the end when it seems like Cap was still alive... and then I thought, "oh, he will just get lost in time so they can maybe bring him back some day." But the notion of him staying in the past so he could spend a lifetime with his true love was so perfect. What a beautiful ending.

    5) How did they pull off all those cameos?!?! Robert Redford??!?! I love that Michelle Pfeiffer, Samuel L Jackson, and MArissa Tomei are in the film BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A SINGLE LINE!! I think they used old footage of Nathalie Portman, she didn't actually appear.

    6) Was there a better "subvert your expectations" moment than Cap being in the elevator with all the Hydra guys and them not having another fabulous elevator fight? "Hail Hydra," and I died laughing.

    7) When Nat and Hawkeye are battling to see which one of them will die, I was totally torn. I mean, how could they kill Barton after showing his family at the start of the film?

    8) I love that undoing the snap did not mean going back in time. It means bringing the dead back at this moment in time. That makes more sense and after we were introduced to Tony's daughter, they cannot have her disappear.

    9) Loki is alive... in some alternate timeline or something... right? There is some awkwardness with the time travel that I need to get my head around.

    10) There is now a huge huge problem for the MCU... they have a time machine. So, any time something bad happens, they will need to explain why they should not just go back in time to fix it. They really need to come up with some explanation for why time travel cannot be used any more or it could become an issue.

    11) Ummm, when Thanos first started shooting up Avenger's HQ, Ant Man (who was hit directly by a missile) should have died and probably a couple other characters also should have bit it.

    12) No post-credit scene. Perfect! I was terrified they would put something in there and this movie had tied things up so perfectly. I am glad they made the smart choice of not teasing Far From Home or anything else.

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    Well...

    I know some of you must have seen the 6pm showing tonight. What did you think!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    10) There is now a huge huge problem for the MCU... they have a time machine. So, any time something bad happens, they will need to explain why they should not just go back in time to fix it. They really need to come up with some explanation for why time travel cannot be used any more or it could become an issue.
    But they don't have a time machine any more. It was destroyed when Thanos' ship flew threw it, and then Thanos nuked the building it was in.

    And as they told us in the beginning of the movie, Tony Stark is the only brain on the planet capable of solving the time travel problem and building a working time machine. And now he's dead.

    "But wait a minute...wouldn't Tony have left, you know, blueprints or a flash drive with an instruction manual for building the time machine on it?"

    Yeah, probably -- but again, any copies of the plans for building the time machine that were kept at the Avengers' compound (whether paper files, stored on computer drives, or otherwise) also would've been destroyed when Thanos obliterated it.

    So the only disbelief we really have to suspend is the notion that Tony wouldn't have backed up the plans somewhere offsite, which I guess strains credulity a little. But then again, it's a film series about superheros battling a genocidal alien, so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom B. View Post
    But they don't have a time machine any more. It was destroyed when Thanos' ship flew threw it, and then Thanos nuked the building it was in.
    Hang on... at the very end of the movie, they send Cap back in time and then are shocked when he does not return 5 seconds later. They clearly still have a time machine. Hulk was operating it at the end of the movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Hang on... at the very end of the movie, they send Cap back in time and then are shocked when he does not return 5 seconds later. They clearly still have a time machine. Hulk was operating it at the end of the movie.

    <Facepalm>

    Oh yeah. Duh. Never mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Hang on... at the very end of the movie, they send Cap back in time and then are shocked when he does not return 5 seconds later. They clearly still have a time machine. Hulk was operating it at the end of the movie.
    Maybe something on it will break and nobody will know how to fix it?
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    So in Infinity War, when Thanos recognizes Iron Man and says that he's "cursed with knowledge"... it's because Thanos already knows at that point that he's going to be beheaded by Thor after the Snap, which will eventually be reversed. Right?

    I was terrified when Thanos said his plan was to remake the universe where no one remembered what happened... that sounded like the perfect set-up to rebooting the MCU, which would have been a horrible ending. Good on them for not going that route, and for keeping Vision, Loki, Heimdall, and Black Widow from being resurrected for the final battle.

    I guess Captain Marvel, Spiderman, and Black Panther become the center of the MCU for the next decade? That would make a fun team-up for the core of the eventual Avengers 5.

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    I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
    Just saw it and could hardly wait to read this thread. WOW!

    "I am inevitable."

    "I am Iron Man."..."SNAP"

    WOW!

    As so many of you have said, it is a lot to take in. I get the geekdom of questioning all the variables, but I am choosing not to overthink it and just enjoy the ride. I am fine with not understanding every detail.

    I do wish I had known not to wait through the credits. I won't do it, but I believe that would be a worthy public service announcement in the non-spoiler thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wander View Post
    I guess Captain Marvel, Spiderman, and Black Panther become the center of the MCU for the next decade? .


    Blade joins the Avengers next.


    so, i've just seen the film. Still processing it. I don't allow myself to wallow to deeply into the time travel rabbit hole. It's a movie. There are very creative minds at work, figuring out how to make it plausible, as well as meeting the needs of the heroes. (and villians) As a mechanical engineer, i don't have to work out the calculations to guess which size wrench to use...I just trust my instinct. There are some many wormholes in making it fit the narrative, i'll just go with what they came up with...

    i was disappointed that Capt Marvel wasn't dealt a larger, more interwoven part. She seemed sufficiently powerful, yet oddly removed from the emotional thread of group. I suppose that, since she was "executive vp of azz-kicking" for the entire universe, she couldn't really delegate the time, nor the proper character entanglements of this one-off battle to save earth. I loved her new haircut.

    if you didn't cry during this movie, maybe this isn't the kind of movie you should be spending your money on.

    so, the kid....at the end..Harley Keener....biggest tease of the entire trilogy...
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    Saw it. Loved it.

    One question, though... at the end, who opened all the portals that brought everyone back? Nobody was wearing the gauntlet, sooo...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Ash View Post
    One question, though... at the end, who opened all the portals that brought everyone back? Nobody was wearing the gauntlet, sooo...?
    Dr. Strange, Wong, and other sorcerers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Dr. Strange, Wong, and other sorcerers.
    So they were brought back by Hulk snapping, and then they portaled everyone in?

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    BTW, as some people have said... Thanos without a stone was simply too powerful when he took on Cap, Thor, and Iron Man. The Mad Titan is a beast, but...

    And I have to admit, with all the jumping around, I was a LITTLE sad that Kate Blanchett didn't come back for a bit. I loved the original Infinity War story, and was sad that A) Death never came into the story, and B) that we never got a modern version of the "Everyone vs Thanos with the gauntlet" moment where he beats everyone.

    Also a little sad that Thanos didn't end up sort of undermining himself, like he did in the comic, unless I guess him giving it all up at the end of Infinity War/beginning of End Game was sort of that? I always liked that the comic ended with Thanos not being an ultimate villain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Ash View Post
    So they were brought back by Hulk snapping, and then they portaled everyone in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    I am so unused to seeing gif responses on this forum that I laughed out loud, and promptly disrupted my students who are hard at work on a state test Thanks a lot, Jason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Ash View Post
    So they were brought back by Hulk snapping, and then they portaled everyone in?
    ...and they knew where to go and what to do because Strange told them what needed to be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YmoBeThere View Post
    Well...?
    Sorry to keep you waiting! I'm sure you've been axiously anticipating my take on the movie

    Ok, here goes. I'm going to list some complaints first, but I did like the movie. It probably doesn't make my top 5 MCU list but it did do a great job wrapping everything up.

    I felt like the first part of the movie was really slow. I think someone else mentioned this as well. The speed with which they killed Thanos was jarring, but ultimately I thought it ended up working well for the film. After that, though, it really didn't engage me until they got to Vormir, at which point it picked up and pretty much everything from that point on was awesome. There were some good bits during the other time travel scenes but even that part felt a little slow to me up until Vormir. As a couple others have noted, Captain Marvel just...felt out of place. The part where she blew up Thanos' ship was super cool. I think the movie would have been better if that were her first appearance...the parts with her talking towards the beginning just felt extremely awkward. Not her fault, but it just wasn't compelling dialog and...didn't add anything. In fact, it didn't make any sense. "I'm too busy dealing with other problems in the universe to be especially involved with your Earth problems...even though your Earth problem happens to actually be arguably the biggest problem in the universe currently." It would have been better if she were either more integrated with the story or if she had fewer appearances.

    The Fat Thor bit was hilarious, I loved the Lebowski line, but I felt like it was a little bit overdone. I was tired of it about part way through the prep for the time travel. I did think the moment he had with his mother was really really good though. Captain America wielding Thor's hammer was awesome as well. I also loved Tony meeting his dad, extremely well done.

    Speaking of Tony...pretty much everything with him fell extremely flat for me except for the scene with his dad, the opening scene where he was recording the message on the spaceship, and the final battle. Unlike some others, I thought his death was pretty much telegraphed, and assumed he would die as soon as they came to get him and it showed him playing with his daughter. I think his death didn't resonate with me emotionally as much as it did for some because I spent the whole movie waiting for it. The way he died was awesome though, just a totally badass ending to the battle. I just didn't connect with the funeral scenes afterward.

    I wanted Banner Hulk to kick some tail, and was somewhat disappointed. I may have missed some scenes during the final battle, but there couldn't have been much. Also felt a bit too much like Shrek to me.

    Hawkeye going on a worldwide killing spree (killing criminals, of course) after his family disappeared was awesome. This movie had some of my favorite stuff from him between that and the scene on Vormir. Opening with his family disappearing was a great choice.

    As far as the time-travel stuff, I didn't have any issues with any of the potential plot holes mentioned there. I honestly wish they hadn't spent so much time joking about it, because it distracted from the actual sense of despair and peril involved, but I thought it all more or less made sense. I like that Steve was Betty's husband all along (if that isn't confirmed already it will be). To the person who asked about him not aging...I assume he isn't actually literally immortal. At some point it wore off and he started aging. Even as an old man, he looked pretty spry for being over 100 years old. The Far From Home trailer pretty much confirms that we are dealing with a multiverse/multiple timeline situation, and it appears that is the main cause of the danger in the movie. I assume time travel won't be used for reasons like "we don't fully understand the dangers, we might ruin things, etc" where it was only justified when there was danger at the universal scale.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wander View Post
    So in Infinity War, when Thanos recognizes Iron Man and says that he's "cursed with knowledge"... it's because Thanos already knows at that point that he's going to be beheaded by Thor after the Snap, which will eventually be reversed. Right?
    Is there any reason you think that? I think when Thanos said he recognized Iron Man it was more recognizing the type of person he is (extremely intelligent, feels responsible for taking care of the world kind of stuff).

    Quote Originally Posted by Wander View Post
    I'd love that, but I waited all through Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame for any character to say to Iron Man "Dude, YOU were the one responsible for Ultron, stop acting like it's all of our fault" and it never happened.
    I felt like Tony started being really unreasonable about everything during Civil War. He was kind of hard to like in this movie other than a)when he was with his kid, b) when he met his dad, and c) the final battle.

    Quote Originally Posted by LasVegas View Post
    Kinda true but not really true. Yes, he caused their deaths but that was the ONLY scenario Strange saw where they would defeat Thanos. Quill doesn’t punch Thanos, they never win.
    I love Gaurdians and Quill...but I get so mad every time I watch Infinity War during this scene. It was so absurdly stupid of him that it almost takes me out of the movie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matches View Post
    Saw online the idea of blurting out Endgame spoilers at telemarketers. Pure brilliance IMO.
    Unrelated, but I'm not a fan of crap like this. Just hang up on them...presumably they aren't exactly working their dream job no reason to make it even more miserable by being a jerk.


    Anyways, that was my somewhat disjointed initial take...it was a lot to process and I probably forgot some important things I had hoped to mention. Ultimately I thought it was a good wrap up to this phase of the MCU and the Infinity War storyline, but I'm not sure it will be as re-watchable as some of the others. Just too painfully slow, and they didn't do a good job maintaining a sense of urgency throughout the slow part.

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    School ended today for my son so we finally got around to watching Endgame.

    I thought IW was superior as they did a better job of spacing out the action.

    As others have already mentioned Thanos seemed way overpowered in this movie as he easily handles a hammer wielding Cap, juiced up Thor, and Ironman.

    The absence of Gamora at the end of the movie was a surprise. It's pretty hard for a green skinned alien to go around unnoticed.

    Cap showing up as an old man was also interesting and of course you have to wonder why his going back to live life didn't screw everything up.

    There were definitely a number of tear jerking moments in this flick. My two favorites were between Clint and Natasha when they were going for the Soul Stone and of course when Cap spies Peggy through the office window.

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    I finally got around to seeing it last night and I liked it. I didn't love it, but honestly, given all the stories they had to tie up and all the characters they had to include I can't see how the movie could have been any better. I'm actually really impressed with this movie from a business standpoint: there are about a million things that could have gone wrong with the making of a film like this and as far as I can tell none of them did.

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