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    Star Wars: Episode 9 (The Rise of Skywalker)

    Really? That is the title? Uhhhh... lame!



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    Is that Palpatine's laugh at the end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wander View Post
    Is that Palpatine's laugh at the end?
    I don't know what you are doing right now, but if you aren't listening to the DBR Podcast, you're doing it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Really? That is the title? Uhhhh... lame!
    It's not the most inspiring title, but I'll take it. Feels like some kind of misdirection though.

    -Jason "the Emperor is back?!?! Whaaaaat?" Evans
    Prequel twist: The Emperor did have the secret to immortality/bringing back the dead all along. It just didn't suit his purposes to share it with Anakin/Vader.

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    Oh, also my first reaction:

    Billy Dee!!!!

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    I agree. Lame title unless they are planning on doing a retcon for Ray's parentage or use a branch of the family tree past Shimi.

    What we know:
    Shimi Skywalker + unknown father = Anakin (only known child)

    Anaki + Padme = Luke and Leia

    Luke - No known children

    Leia - Ben Solo turned Sith Kylo Ren

    That's it. So unless we are counting Ben Solo a skywalker (and I don't) there are no known skywalkers left without going up to Luke unknown grandfather which after 8 movies would be incredibly lame.

    Awful horrible no good title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    I agree. Lame title unless they are planning on doing a retcon for Ray's parentage or use a branch of the family tree past Shimi.

    What we know:
    Shimi Skywalker + unknown father = Anakin (only known child)

    Anaki + Padme = Luke and Leia

    Luke - No known children

    Leia - Ben Solo turned Sith Kylo Ren

    That's it. So unless we are counting Ben Solo a skywalker (and I don't) there are no known skywalkers left without going up to Luke unknown grandfather which after 8 movies would be incredibly lame.

    Awful horrible no good title.
    Would not surprise me in the slightest. It might not even be a retcon...why are we assuming Kylo was telling the truth (or correct) about her parentage. It doesn't even really make sense that they would be Jakku junk traders that sold her for drinking money, because she has a (presumably real) memory of them flying away in a ship (whereas Kylo implies they are dead in a "pauper's grave" on Jakku).

    I've been expecting the "her parents were nobodies" to turn out "mostly false" since I saw that scene in the theater. Of course, there is a theory (that I do not subscribe to, but is possible) that her parents are "nobody" (in this theory she is a clone) which would make it true "from a certain point of view".

    Also, that's the wreckage of one of the Death Stars at the end right?

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    Maybe the writers were watching Westworld and the force was able to work some magic with the new LU-K3 droid that Rey has been secretly working on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    I agree. Lame title unless they are planning on doing a retcon for Ray's parentage or use a branch of the family tree past Shimi.

    What we know:
    Shimi Skywalker + unknown father = Anakin (only known child)

    Anaki + Padme = Luke and Leia

    Luke - No known children

    Leia - Ben Solo turned Sith Kylo Ren

    That's it. So unless we are counting Ben Solo a skywalker (and I don't) there are no known skywalkers left without going up to Luke unknown grandfather which after 8 movies would be incredibly lame.

    Awful horrible no good title.
    Anakin's dad were the midi-chlorians.

    Twins run in the genes, right? I'm guessing even more so when the genes are midichlorinated. So Ö.

    Rey and Ben are twins, Rey was taken away at birth for her safety. Thus the awkward Ben/Rey scenes mirror the awkward Luke/Lea scenes of the original trilogy

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    I really hope the Rey heritage is not retconned... I didn't really have this opinion going into the Last Jedi, but after seeing it, I think Rey not having an important family was 100% perfect and exactly what Star Wars needed.

    That said, I can see them pulling something like "her parents being no one was techincally correct... but her grandfather is Palpatine". It's suspicious she doesn't have a last name, even a placeholder one. Maybe she adopts the name Skywalker at the end, and it becomes sorta like "Darth" is for the Sith?

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    Star Wars has always had religious overtones. In The Last Jedi Luke vanished. Could the Rise of Skywalker be referring to him?

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    I think people are being too liberal with the use of the word "retconned" here...heck arguably her parents being nobody was a retcon by that usage. You either handwave away what Kylo said (by making it a lie, which is easy enough and is perfectly in character for a dark side user trying to manipulate someone), or handwave away the scene of Rey's parents leaving Jakku in a ship (I don't know quite how you square that). There are problems either way, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wander View Post
    I really hope the Rey heritage is not retconned... I didn't really have this opinion going into the Last Jedi, but after seeing it, I think Rey not having an important family was 100% perfect and exactly what Star Wars needed.

    That said, I can see them pulling something like "her parents being no one was techincally correct... but her grandfather is Palpatine". It's suspicious she doesn't have a last name, even a placeholder one. Maybe she adopts the name Skywalker at the end, and it becomes sorta like "Darth" is for the Sith?
    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    I think people are being too liberal with the use of the word "retconned" here...heck arguably her parents being nobody was a retcon by that usage. You either handwave away what Kylo said (by making it a lie, which is easy enough and is perfectly in character for a dark side user trying to manipulate someone), or handwave away the scene of Rey's parents leaving Jakku in a ship (I don't know quite how you square that). There are problems either way, I guess.
    Agree with Acymetric. Retcon is way overused. If they take canon and overturn it, then yes. But establishing that a bad guy was lying? No, that's not a creating retroactive continuity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freshmanjs View Post
    Agree with Acymetric. Retcon is way overused. If they take canon and overturn it, then yes. But establishing that a bad guy was lying? No, that's not a creating retroactive continuity.
    Are you ok with finding out that Darth Vader really isn't Luke's father?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    Are you ok with finding out that Darth Vader really isn't Luke's father?
    Ahh, my eyes. This takes it way too far.
    Donít destroy my childhood with such blasphemy! 🙄😭🤣

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    Are you ok with finding out that Darth Vader really isn't Luke's father?
    Quote Originally Posted by fuse View Post
    Ahh, my eyes. This takes it way too far.
    Donít destroy my childhood with such blasphemy! 🙄😭🤣
    Not really the same thing though...Luke's parentage is pretty firmly established on screen. Rey's parentage is established by two lines from a character with motivation to lie, in direct conflict with other information (Rey's flashback) that we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    Not really the same thing though...Luke's parentage is pretty firmly established on screen. Rey's parentage is established by two lines from a character with motivation to lie, in direct conflict with other information (Rey's flashback) that we have.
    But we know the E8 director (Rian Johnson) was given the freedom to answer the question of Rey's parentage because there was no actual plan in place after E7 for how to answer it. J.J. Abrams had done what he often does and set up the question but didn't necessarily know where it was going to go, so Johnson made a choice and went with it (that Rey's parents are nobodies). Johnson was explicitly asked in a recent interview whether he would be okay with a retcon of Rey's parentage, and he basically said he would be fine with it and that he looks forward to seeing what J.J. Abrams can do to surprise and entertain him as a viewer.

    So the whole retcon discussion seems to be flowing from the fact that the E8 director publicly acknowledged it (instead of, say, answering that there was always a plan in place and that viewers will just have to see how it plays out).

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Diablo View Post
    But we know the E8 director (Rian Johnson) was given the freedom to answer the question of Rey's parentage because there was no actual plan in place after E7 for how to answer it. J.J. Abrams had done what he often does and set up the question but didn't necessarily know where it was going to go, so Johnson made a choice and went with it (that Rey's parents are nobodies). Johnson was explicitly asked in a recent interview whether he would be okay with a retcon of Rey's parentage, and he basically said he would be fine with it and that he looks forward to seeing what J.J. Abrams can do to surprise and entertain him as a viewer.

    So the whole retcon discussion seems to be flowing from the fact that the E8 director publicly acknowledged it (instead of, say, answering that there was always a plan in place and that viewers will just have to see how it plays out).
    The fact that a journalist asked a question using the word retcon in a hypothetical doesn't imply that any interesting parentage for Ray is a retcon in the normal usage of that word.

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    Saw this comment thread on /r/movies and it sums up my thoughts nicely:

    It's impressive that they managed to make a trilogy where each movie contradicts the previous one.

    A great point.

    Episode VII: The Empire was never destroyed, the Republic is now nonexistent, and Han and Leia didn't end up together lol
    Episode VIII: Rey's parents are unimportant, Phasma's not dead (wait yes she is, maybe), the knights of Ren aren't really a thing, hell even Kylo's mask is pointless
    Episode IX: Kill the past? Nah how bout bring back Lando, Palpatine, the Death Star, also maybe Rey's parents are important, and let's put Skywalker in the title

    Maybe...maybe they should've written an outline before they started.

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    Count me in the camp with those who are okay with the title part. I watch the movies to be entertained, it doesn't really matter to me what you call it.

    I'm probably being petty in another thread.

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