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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Yep, and not only that, ESPN reports that of the first 1.3 million brackets submitted, 53.9 percent picked Duke; second was UNC at 11.5 percent.
    Wow. Not sure I like all of this!

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by robed deity View Post
    Wow. Not sure I like all of this!
    Why? It has no effect on anything.

  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    Dude, you're conflating 2s and 4s.

    Now I wouldn't want FSU either. as a 4...but Kansas got drubbed by Iowa State this weekend...and yes, I'd rather Michigan than Michigan State as the number 2 by far. And you are also thinking who's "best" without understanding nuances about particular match ups...and this is a tournament about match ups. Virginia Tech will be very confident against us, as opposed to say Wisconsin. We have beaten Michigan State 11 of the last 12 times we played them...I hate to tempt those odds against the law of averages. I'd much rather play Michigan...who by overall seeding SHOULD HAVE BEEN our 2.

    These factors are the match up baggage that I would rather not have in the NCAAT. Good or great teams are one thing...but throw in the baggage factor and this is why the tournament is such a crap shoot. For example, playing Maryland in DC? I remind you of playing South Carolina in Greenville. No thanks.
    Dude, you're conflating random variables with independent events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    As good a place as any to make observations on our bracket in the East:

    Lots of stories in the potential Duke match-ups int he East Region. I think it is hardly accidental. Virginia Tech AND Louisville -- really?

    1. Crosstown NCCU possible as our first game
    2. Johnny Dawkins and UCF as our third-round match? Then there is the legend of Tacko Fall. Or, if not --
    3. VCU - I have nightmares from the 2007 first round upset
    4. #4 Virginia Tech as our possible regional semis -- with its star Justin Robinson returning to action -- better than its seed? Revenge for our loss in Cassell? Hmmm... Potentially a really tough game
    5. K vs. Izzo in the regional finals? Or, if not, coach-less LSU and AD Joe Alleva
    6. Louisville is an outside shot and would be tough to beat again (of course, won't they fold?). Don't mention the Terps -- oops!
    I love this draw. This whole tournament sets up as a payback exercise with Karma on our side. VCU, VT, MD, UNC - yeah that's right UNC! This is the team that could once again RESTORE ORDER.

  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by uh_no View Post
    duke has a story with like 50% of the teams in the tournament, and almost all of the top teams...so it seems hardly out of line. Further, with 7 teams from the ACC, some were bound to be in duke's brakcet...

    It's great we can come up with storylines and I enjoy them, but pretending that it's anything more than coincidental is tin-foil-hat territory.
    But none in Carolina's bracket? Just seems like the ACC should have been spread around more evenly. I think it's always to a higher seed's advantage to play someone not familiar with their system. Or, put another way, a lower seed from the same conference has the advantage of familiarity compared to teams from other conferences.
    Rich
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    But none in Carolina's bracket? Just seems like the ACC should have been spread around more evenly. I think it's always to a higher seed's advantage to play someone not familiar with their system. Or, put another way, a lower seed from the same conference has the advantage of familiarity compared to teams from other conferences.
    uNC potentially has Kansas in Kansas City. I think that's a lot worse as a potential match up than our #4. Odds are that neither will actually happen.

  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by duketaylor View Post
    Potential 2nd round match-up with VCU, good grief. I'll see if my bud JT will post a match-up info here if we play them. He lives VCU ball and used to be team manager for Jeff Capel.
    If Duke does play VCU they better win. I am sick and tired of getting my car washed at Car Pool and seeing the mural with great events in Richmond with one of the images being VCU beating Duke in the NCAAs.

  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkD83 View Post
    If Duke does play VCU they better win. I am sick and tired of getting my car washed at Car Pool and seeing the mural with great events in Richmond with one of the images being VCU beating Duke in the NCAAs.
    A friend passed away a few years ago who was a Lehigh grad and board member. At his memorial service, there were two or three references to Lehigh's win over "mighty Duke." One guy said he called and said, "Congratulations, but your cheerleaders are really ugly." Tough crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    Dude, you're conflating 2s and 4s.

    Now I wouldn't want FSU either. as a 4...but Kansas got drubbed by Iowa State this weekend...and yes, I'd rather Michigan than Michigan State as the number 2 by far. And you are also thinking who's "best" without understanding nuances about particular match ups...and this is a tournament about match ups. Virginia Tech will be very confident against us, as opposed to say Wisconsin. We have beaten Michigan State 11 of the last 12 times we played them...I hate to tempt those odds against the law of averages. I'd much rather play Michigan...who by overall seeding SHOULD HAVE BEEN our 2.

    These factors are the match up baggage that I would rather not have in the NCAAT. Good or great teams are one thing...but throw in the baggage factor and this is why the tournament is such a crap shoot. For example, playing Maryland in DC? I remind you of playing South Carolina in Greenville. No thanks.
    Who is this “Dude” of whom you speak? At 72, I think I’m way beyond Dude. If you want to have a conversation, don’t be so disrespectful. Also, what conflating are you referring to? All the 4s are grouped together and all the 2s are grouped together and we would play the 4 before the 2. Lastly, I agree that the tournament is all about matchups. That’s what I said. I prefer to discuss physical matchups and playing styles to some arbitrary law of averages that has nothing to do with this year’s team or worrying about a geographical matchup based on the South Carolina game two years ago. Please take a deep breath before responding.

  10. #30
    To get back to the original question, times will depend on matchups, not just for our game, but for the other games as well.

    The last time we were relegated to cable in the second round, that day had a large number of big name programs playing on Sunday.

    This year, assuming no major upsets, the clear top two pods of interest are ours and the Columbus pod. CBS will have both games from one pod and one game from another pod. I think the edge right now should be Columbia early so that CBS can have their top crew on two of the three games. That would likely mean Virginia at 12:00pm and us at 2:30pm with UNC at 5:00pm and Tennessee in the night TruTV game. The other configuration would have Tennesse then UNC then us on CBS and Virginia on TruTV.

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    If you are going to be in Columbia, Duke will have a public practice Thursday at 3:25.

    If you are not going to be in Columbia, Duke will still have a public practice on Thursday at 3:25. You just won't be able to see it.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    If you are going to be in Columbia, Duke will have a public practice Thursday at 3:25.

    If you are not going to be in Columbia, Duke will still have a public practice on Thursday at 3:25. You just won't be able to see it.
    Reminds me of the Demetri Martin bit about being at the clothing store and the woman said "if you need anything, I'm Amy..." But what if I don't need anything? Does she have a conditional identity?

  13. #33
    In addition to the K/Johnny Dawkins possible round of 32 meeting, that would also mean AD Kevin White v AD Danny White.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by uh_no View Post
    duke has a story with like 50% of the teams in the tournament, and almost all of the top teams...so it seems hardly out of line. Further, with 7 teams from the ACC, some were bound to be in duke's brakcet...

    It's great we can come up with storylines and I enjoy them, but pretending that it's anything more than coincidental is tin-foil-hat territory.
    You don't think there committee's #1 goal is to put out the best entertainment product they can? This is the NCAA's cash cow. There is no way they don't consider story lines or what matchups could generate the highest ratings. It's all about the money for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    Dude, you're conflating 2s and 4s.

    Now I wouldn't want FSU either. as a 4...but Kansas got drubbed by Iowa State this weekend...and yes, I'd rather Michigan than Michigan State as the number 2 by far. And you are also thinking who's "best" without understanding nuances about particular match ups...and this is a tournament about match ups. Virginia Tech will be very confident against us, as opposed to say Wisconsin. We have beaten Michigan State 11 of the last 12 times we played them...I hate to tempt those odds against the law of averages. I'd much rather play Michigan...who by overall seeding SHOULD HAVE BEEN our 2.

    These factors are the match up baggage that I would rather not have in the NCAAT. Good or great teams are one thing...but throw in the baggage factor and this is why the tournament is such a crap shoot. For example, playing Maryland in DC? I remind you of playing South Carolina in Greenville. No thanks.
    If that's how things work then we should all be very concerned about Duke being a 1 seed because the 16 seeds are really, really, really due for some W's. Was UMBC just the beginning?

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by JetpackJesus View Post
    If that's how things work then we should all be very concerned about Duke being a 1 seed because the 16 seeds are really, really, really due for some W's. Was UMBC just the beginning?
    That's exactly how the law of averages works, and I think you kind of mis applied it to UMBC UVa. The law of averages dictated that at some point a 16 would beat a 1, but not often, because 1's are far superior to 16s. In the case of Duke Michigan State, Duke is normally better, but not by much, and sometimes Michigan State is better, and yet K is 11-1 against them. Your analogy does not work because the disparity between Duke and MSU is nothing like the disparity between 1s and 16s - and besides, I didn't say this was going to start a MSU run of success against Duke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    If you are going to be in Columbia, Duke will have a public practice Thursday at 3:25.

    If you are not going to be in Columbia, Duke will still have a public practice on Thursday at 3:25. You just won't be able to see it.
    Awesome thanks .I'll drive a hour and watch that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    That's exactly how the law of averages works, and I think you kind of mis applied it to UMBC UVa. The law of averages dictated that at some point a 16 would beat a 1, but not often, because 1's are far superior to 16s. In the case of Duke Michigan State, Duke is normally better, but not by much, and sometimes Michigan State is better, and yet K is 11-1 against them. Your analogy does not work because the disparity between Duke and MSU is nothing like the disparity between 1s and 16s - and besides, I didn't say this was going to start a MSU run of success against Duke.
    Basketball matchups are not random events, though, especially when you're looking at the results of 12 meetings between two coaches/schools over the last 24 years.

    I would expect K to have a great record against Izzo because he's a better coach and usually has superior talent when the two teams do meet. There's not going to be a reversion to a mean at the K vs. Izzo level because it's the thirteenth time they've met and K has won eleven of the last twelve meetings. If Duke plays MSU and loses it will be because Izzo outcoached K and/or MSU's team played better than Duke's team that night. It will have nothing to do with the law of averages.

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    If you are going to be in Columbia, Duke will have a public practice Thursday at 3:25.

    If you are not going to be in Columbia, Duke will still have a public practice on Thursday at 3:25. You just won't be able to see it.
    Subtile Jim, subtile.

    By the way, what time will the Thursday practice be?

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