ACC POY and NPOY Discussion

[wgl1228]

Minor but Bleacher Report chose Zion as NPOY and RJ as Freshman of the Year (so not to repeat themselves).

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ketball-awards

[CDu]

We should find out today or so whether or not Duke got snubbed for the ACC PoY.

[wgl1228]

Zion is also Yahoo/NBC Sports NPOY. Zion and RJ both first team All-Americans.

https://sports.yahoo.com/postseason-...121546146.html

[fuse]

Zion ACC POY and ROY.
RJ first team.
Tre second in DPOY voting.
Cam Honorable Mention.

http://theacc.com/news/2019/3/10/acc-announces-2019-mens-basketball-award-winners.aspx

[FerryFor50]

Zion ACC POY and ROY.
RJ first team.
Tre second in DPOY voting.
Cam Honorable Mention.

http://theacc.com/news/2019/3/10/acc...d-winners.aspx

No votes for K as coach of the year. Sigh.

ACC Coach of the Year
Tony Bennett, Virginia, 30
Buzz Williams, Virginia Tech, 12
Roy Williams, North Carolina, 11
Leonard Hamilton, Florida State, 10
Chris Mack, Louisville, 7

And Mfiondu Kabengele won 6th man of the year, but let's be honest - he should have been starting.

[Billy Dat]

All-ACC
First Team
Zion Williamson, Fr., Duke, 350*
RJ Barrett, Fr., Duke, 346
De’Andre Hunter, So., Virginia, 302
Cameron Johnson, Sr., North Carolina, 277
Kyle Guy, Jr., Virginia, 231

Second Team
Luke Maye, Sr., North Carolina, 221
Ky Bowman, Jr., Boston College, 188
Ty Jerome, Jr., Virginia, 177
Coby White, Fr., North Carolina, 171
Kerry Blackshear Jr., Jr., Virginia Tech, 170

Third Team
Jordan Nwora, So., Louisville, 135
Marcquise Reed, Sr., Clemson, 129
Tyus Battle, Jr., Syracuse, 128
Nickeil Alexander-Walker, So., Virginia Tech, 72
John Mooney, Jr., Notre Dame, 71

Honorable Mention
Mfiondu Kabengele, So., Florida State, 69
Cam Reddish, Fr., Duke, 37
Tre Jones, Fr., Duke, 18
Terance Mann, Sr., Florida State, 16
Elijah Thomas, Sr., Clemson, 10

ACC Player of the Year
Zion Williamson, Fr., Duke, 49
RJ Barrett, Fr., Duke, 16
De’Andre Hunter, So., Virginia, 4
Ky Bowman, Jr., Boston College, 1

ACC Rookie of the Year
Zion Williamson, Duke, 47
RJ Barrett, Duke, 21
Coby White, North Carolina, 2

ACC Coach of the Year
Tony Bennett, Virginia, 30
Buzz Williams, Virginia Tech, 12
Roy Williams, North Carolina, 11
Leonard Hamilton, Florida State, 10
Chris Mack, Louisville, 7

ACC Defensive Player of the Year
De’Andre Hunter, So., Virginia, 46
Tre Jones, Fr., Duke, 19
David Skara, Sr., Clemson, 3
Trent Forrest, Jr., Florida State, 2

ACC Most Improved Player
Jordan Nwora, So., Louisville, 30
John Mooney, Jr., Notre Dame, 27
Cameron Johnson, Sr., North Carolina, 5
Mfiondu Kabengele, So., Florida State, 4
Kerry Blackshear Jr., Jr., Virginia Tech, 2
Chris Lykes, So., Miami, 2

ACC Sixth Man of the Year
Mfiondu Kabengele, So., Florida State, 60
DJ Funderburk, So., NC State, 3
Jared Wilson-Frame, Jr., Pitt, 3
Nassir Little, Fr., North Carolina, 2
Braxton Key, Jr., Virginia, 2

ACC All-Defensive Team
De’Andre Hunter, So., Virginia, 60
Tre Jones, Fr., Duke, 56
Zion Williamson, Fr., Duke, 53
Elijah Thomas, Sr., Clemson, 31
James Banks III, Jr., Georgia Tech, 29

ACC All-Freshman Team
Zion Williamson, Duke, 70*
Coby White, North Carolina, 67
RJ Barrett, Duke, 66
Xavier Johnson, Pitt, 40
Tre Jones, Duke, 38

[Billy Dat]

Impressive for Z to not only win POY, ROY and 1st team, but also All Defense. BEAST!!!!!!!!!!

[fuse]

No votes for K as coach of the year. Sigh.

ACC Coach of the Year
Tony Bennett, Virginia, 30
Buzz Williams, Virginia Tech, 12
Roy Williams, North Carolina, 11
Leonard Hamilton, Florida State, 10
Chris Mack, Louisville, 7

And Mfiondu Kabengele won 6th man of the year, but let's be honest - he should have been starting.

I doubt we can all agree but for K to even get considered for COY probably starts with finishing first and maybe even undefeated.

Not a shot or knock on K, just acknowledging the bar is different.

[fuse]

Impressive for Z to not only win POY, ROY and 1st team, but also All Defense. BEAST!!!!!!!!!!

Unanimous also.
The head scratcher are the people who didn’t vote for RJ all first team. He set the ACC freshman scoring record.

[FerryFor50]

I doubt we can all agree but for K to even get considered for COY probably starts with finishing first and maybe even undefeated.

Not a shot or knock on K, just acknowledging the bar is different.

I think it's ridiculous that the bar is that high for him, yet Roy gets 11 votes.

[devildeac]

No votes for K as coach of the year. Sigh.

ACC Coach of the Year
Tony Bennett, Virginia, 30
Buzz Williams, Virginia Tech, 12
Roy Williams, North Carolina, 11
Leonard Hamilton, Florida State, 10
Chris Mack, Louisville, 7

And Mfiondu Kabengele won 6th man of the year, but let's be honest - he should have been starting.

Kinda surprised buzz didn't get 3rd team all-acc as much time as he spends on the court.

[vick]

Zion ACC POY and ROY.
RJ first team.
Tre second in DPOY voting.
Cam Honorable Mention.

http://theacc.com/news/2019/3/10/acc...d-winners.aspx

Pretty sensible voting this year. The top 4 (Williamson, Barrett, Hunter, Johnson) had clearly separated themselves and it shows up in the voting. You can always quibble--I probably would have voted Blackshear for the 5th spot on the first team, and Reed likely deserved second team--but there are no real head-scratchers that I see. Although, not sure how anyone voted against Kabengele for sixth man of the year, unless they assumed 23 MPG in conference play is a de facto starter regardless of whether he actually starts.

[JasonEvans]

ACC Player of the Year
Zion Williamson, Fr., Duke, 49
RJ Barrett, Fr., Duke, 16
De’Andre Hunter, So., Virginia, 4
Ky Bowman, Jr., Boston College, 1

I think it was really nice of the ACC to give Ky Bowman's mother a vote for POY, but I'm not sure awards voting is supposed to work that way.

[FerryFor50]

Kinda surprised buzz didn't get 3rd team all-acc as much time as he spends on the court.

Well played.

[DarkstarWahoo]

I doubt we can all agree but for K to even get considered for COY probably starts with finishing first and maybe even undefeated.

Not a shot or knock on K, just acknowledging the bar is different.

I think the argument against him is that Duke fell off, to a degree, when Zion got hurt. It sounds insane when you write it out like that - what team wouldn't? - and I'm not saying I agree with it. But I think it's the argument.

Put another way: I think Duke's recruiting has gotten so good that the narrative is almost an either-or thing when evaluating the coaching job. Either Duke kept it up without Zion (possibly making K the COY winner and likely at least getting him on the podium) or they didn't (removing him from consideration). There's no neutral "He did a pretty good job without Zion and therefore deserves some votes" argument.

Also - and this may also not be fair - my view is that it would take a truly insane injury stack for the coach of the preseason favorites to get serious consideration for coach of the year for finishing third. Although looking back at the preseason predictions, I'm surprised to see UVA as close to Duke as they were (Duke got 52 first-place votes to UVA's 47 and 1709 points to UVA's 1699). While media members should be held to a higher standard in remembering those nuances, the narrative got set after the Kentucky game and when Zion was running rampant that Duke was this unstoppable juggernaut. I think that crystallized and caused a lot of people to not even consider K when voting.

- Darkstar "Clemson got a first-place vote????" Wahoo

[DallasDevil]

Congrats to Zion, RJ, Tre, and Cam on their honors. I would be interested to hear which five freshmen 4 of the voters thought were better than RJ. Not sure how he is not a unanimous all rookie selection (and I'm also surprised Coby White was not a unanimous selection to that team).

[flyingdutchdevil]

I think it's ridiculous that the bar is that high for him, yet Roy gets 11 votes.

On optics alone, Roy did a great job this year. Compared to expectations, he did better than K. Yes - injuries devastated Duke. But that's basketball.

IMO - if you're ranked to finish the ACC first and you finish third, should you be considered COY? I don't think so at all.

[CameronBornAndBred]

ACC Most Improved Player
Jordan Nwora, So., Louisville, 30
John Mooney, Jr., Notre Dame, 27
Cameron Johnson, Sr., North Carolina, 5
Mfiondu Kabengele, So., Florida State, 4
Kerry Blackshear Jr., Jr., Virginia Tech, 2
Chris Lykes, So., Miami, 2

No love for Bolden, that is surprising.

[evrim]

So it seems like 4 people decided that they would not vote for RJ and Tre. RJ in the freshman team, and Tre in the defensive team. Shameful how petty some people are.

https://twitter.com/KelseyRiggsWCNC/...67812895612930

[FerryFor50]

On optics alone, Roy did a great job this year. Compared to expectations, he did better than K. Yes - injuries devastated Duke. But that's basketball.

IMO - if you're ranked to finish the ACC first and you finish third, should you be considered COY? I don't think so at all.

I feel like being able to overcome injuries is important to how good of a coach you are.

But let's break down the coaches that got votes...

Tony Bennett, Virginia, 30
How many years does UVA have to win the regular season to start getting as overhyped as Duke does? Bennett has now won ACC COY four times since he took over in 2009-2010. UVA was predicted to win the ACC. They only lost twice - to Coach K, who got zero votes.

Buzz Williams, Virginia Tech, 12
VT was up and down all year long. They were predicted to finish 5th. And they finished... 5th. Probably got a Duke boost by beating Duke at VT without Zion. But whatever.

Roy Williams, North Carolina, 11
You said Roy did a great job this year, but I think he finished right where he was supposed to finish. Predicted 2nd. Finished 2nd. Zero adversity, unless you count Sterling Manley. Sure, Roy didn't have a top recruiting class, but he had a bunch of important senior players, including Cam Johnson, who they got from Pitt last year. And Coby White has been a great freshman for them.

Leonard Hamilton, Florida State, 10
Predicted 6th, finished 4th. A bit uneven at times this year, but should have gotten more votes than Buzz.

Chris Mack, Louisville, 7
I think Mack should have been higher, given the dumpster fire he was handed. Finished 6th, destroyed UNC at home and he managed to regroup his team after that soul crushing 23 point comeback by Duke.

This has happened in years that K won the regular season outright. Duke took the ACC regular season in 2010. Guess who won coach of the year? Gary Williams, who finished 2nd in the ACC.