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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reilly View Post

    Hope this isn't a result of the 2012 Belk Bowl loss ...
    I believe it is a result of the inept offense during the five game losing streak.
    Bob Green

  2. #182
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Green View Post
    I believe it is a result of the inept offense during the five game losing streak.
    If I were a pie betting man, I would bet the inept offense and play calling had something to do with it. GoDuke!

  3. #183
    Need to hit the transfer portal. Know Cut doesn't love taking transfers, but CFB has changed recently and it's becoming a significant part of the recruiting game (3 of the 4 CFB playoff QBs were transfers). With the Duke academic standards I understand transfers are a bit harder to take, but it shouldn't be that preventative.

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDevil16 View Post
    Need to hit the transfer portal. Know Cut doesn't love taking transfers, but CFB has changed recently and it's becoming a significant part of the recruiting game (3 of the 4 CFB playoff QBs were transfers). With the Duke academic standards I understand transfers are a bit harder to take, but it shouldn't be that preventative.
    YEP YEP....3 out of 4 were transferred, one transferred from the other, and another transferred from a team in the CFP last year. Duke won't be in the market for the Burrows, the Fields, the Hurts type players...but there will be transfers all down the pecking order.

  5. #185
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDevil16 View Post
    Need to hit the transfer portal. Know Cut doesn't love taking transfers, but CFB has changed recently and it's becoming a significant part of the recruiting game (3 of the 4 CFB playoff QBs were transfers). With the Duke academic standards I understand transfers are a bit harder to take, but it shouldn't be that preventative.
    Krzyzewski (0), Cutcliffe (1) and McCallie (1) have barely touched the grad-student transfer market, citing Duke's high academic standards. But baseball, soccer, lacrosse and other sports seem to be able to bring in quality grad-student-athletes on a regular basis. So, I'm not sure why football cannot do the same.

    And, yes, this might be the year.

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Krzyzewski (0), Cutcliffe (1) and McCallie (1) have barely touched the grad-student transfer market, citing Duke's high academic standards. But baseball, soccer, lacrosse and other sports seem to be able to bring in quality grad-student-athletes on a regular basis. So, I'm not sure why football cannot do the same.

    And, yes, this might be the year.
    BB Coach Chris Pollard has used this about as well as any coach in any sport that I've noticed.

    For some of the old heads...the first transfer I remember to Duke was George Moses, a basketball forward in the 70s. Where there any prior? And since I'm not sure where I left my car keys 20 minutes ago, I'm totally lost as to why/how I remembered that.

  7. #187
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    Satch Saunders

    I think Saunders during Bucky Waters' time was a transfer from Northwestern.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Teton Jack View Post
    I think Saunders during Bucky Waters' time was a transfer from Northwestern.
    You may be right...and IIRC, and I was TINY at the time...his name was Larry Saunders...and I think the Duke radio guy...Harris, or maybe Penfield, gave him the name Satch. That is going back DEEP into the WAAAY BACK machine...and I am only spitballing off top of my head...

    Now, sorry to hijack thread...

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    BB Coach Chris Pollard has used this about as well as any coach in any sport that I've noticed.

    For some of the old heads...the first transfer I remember to Duke was George Moses, a basketball forward in the 70s. Where there any prior? And since I'm not sure where I left my car keys 20 minutes ago, I'm totally lost as to why/how I remembered that.
    George Moses rebounded several Duke misses late against Maryland in 1st rd of ACC tourney. We were really bad and would have had tremendous upset if Mark Crow doesn’t gag on the FT line at end. I liked Moses’s play and tenacity.

    K won’t take grad transfers due to our high academic standards? Guess that doesn’t apply to Undergraduates?

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    BB Coach Chris Pollard has used this about as well as any coach in any sport that I've noticed.

    For some of the old heads...the first transfer I remember to Duke was George Moses, a basketball forward in the 70s. Where there any prior? And since I'm not sure where I left my car keys 20 minutes ago, I'm totally lost as to why/how I remembered that.
    Moses was a JC transfer. I also think he had been and the military before rntering junior collge and was about 25 when he entered Duke. Duke also wasn't as highly rated academically at that point in time

  11. #191
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    You may be right...and IIRC, and I was TINY at the time...his name was Larry Saunders...and I think the Duke radio guy...Harris, or maybe Penfield, gave him the name Satch. That is going back DEEP into the WAAAY BACK machine...and I am only spitballing off top of my head...

    Now, sorry to hijack thread...
    The "Satch" nickname preceded his arrival at Duke, based on Celtic stalwart Satch Sanders (different spelling of last name).

    Our Satch Saunders is a great guy, captain of the 1971 Duke team, and Duke roommate of roywhite for one year.

    His son Scott had a nice career at Belmont.

    To the main topic of the thread, yes, transfer portal should certainly get a close look from Cut and his staff.

  12. #192
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    We're talking apples and oranges and kumquats here.

    Larry Saunders was a traditional transfer, sat out a year after transferring from Northwestern, played two seasons alongside Randy Denton. Saunders was 6-9, about 215 and never shot from further out than about five feet. Old school.

    Moses was a juco transfer, indeed a military vet, thus older than the traditional student. I believe he is the only Duke juco transfer in the ACC era.

    Moses was an undersized power forward, great rebounder, great defender, could not shoot a lick.

    Speaking of the original "Satch" Sanders, he starred at NYU when they were a traditional power and lit up Duke to the tune of 22 points and 16 rebounds in the 1960 East Regional final, the first time Duke had advanced that far. NYU had stunned Jerry West and West Virginia earlier.

    Sanders then went on to start as a defensive specialist alongside Bill Russell, Tommy Heinsohn, Sam Jones et.al. on all those Celtics title teams.

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    We're talking apples and oranges and kumquats here.

    Moses was a juco transfer, indeed a military vet, thus older than the traditional student. I believe he is the only Duke juco transfer in the ACC era.

    Moses was an undersized power forward, great rebounder, great defender, could not shoot a lick.

    .
    yes, we strayed a bit off target, just for the sake of reminisce...while we watch the portal merry go round and wonder if Cut will hop aboard...and oh, Jake Bentley to Utah. And yeah your memory of Moses is exactly my impression too.

  14. #194
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDevil16 View Post
    Need to hit the transfer portal. Know Cut doesn't love taking transfers, but CFB has changed recently and it's becoming a significant part of the recruiting game (3 of the 4 CFB playoff QBs were transfers). With the Duke academic standards I understand transfers are a bit harder to take, but it shouldn't be that preventative.
    Can’t agree...Cut loved Cash and wohlabaugh as xfers...duke just is not a preferred destination ...though I wish we were

  15. #195
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    Can’t agree...Cut loved Cash and wohlabaugh as xfers...duke just is not a preferred destination ...though I wish we were
    Neither Cash nor Wohlabaugh was a grad-student transfer, which is what we were discussing before getting derailed. Evan Lisle is the only grad-student Cut has brought in and Lisle approached Duke.

    A few years ago Jeff Driskell approached Duke as a prospective grad-student transfer but Duke showed little interest and he moved on.

    For whatever reason, Cut doesn't like the whole thing. I would hope he would get over it this off-season, especially if a top-tier QB, DT or OG pops up on the horizon.

    And yes, they have to be really good students, which greatly limits the size of the pool.

  16. #196
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Neither Cash nor Wohlabaugh was a grad-student transfer, which is what we were discussing before getting derailed. Evan Lisle is the only grad-student Cut has brought in and Lisle approached Duke.

    A few years ago Jeff Driskell approached Duke as a prospective grad-student transfer but Duke showed little interest and he moved on.

    For whatever reason, Cut doesn't like the whole thing. I would hope he would get over it this off-season, especially if a top-tier QB, DT or OG pops up on the horizon.

    And yes, they have to be really good students, which greatly limits the size of the pool.
    Being that they've already graduated, even if they are really good students, I could see the temptation there to not care about class one lick, especially if they are eyeing playing on Sundays. What do they care if they goto class? Are they gonna get kicked out of school in January? Would be a shame to have to miss your bowl, stay home, and stay healthy.
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

  17. #197
    Hope Cut gets over it too. Especially the 3 positions you mention, offensive line being a priority.

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Neither Cash nor Wohlabaugh was a grad-student transfer, which is what we were discussing before getting derailed. Evan Lisle is the only grad-student Cut has brought in and Lisle approached Duke.

    A few years ago Jeff Driskell approached Duke as a prospective grad-student transfer but Duke showed little interest and he moved on.

    For whatever reason, Cut doesn't like the whole thing. I would hope he would get over it this off-season, especially if a top-tier QB, DT or OG pops up on the horizon.

    And yes, they have to be really good students, which greatly limits the size of the pool.
    Jim, question...is the "portal" for any transfers or just grad transfers?

  19. #199
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    Jim, question...is the "portal" for any transfers or just grad transfers?
    Any transfer.

  20. #200
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Neither Cash nor Wohlabaugh was a grad-student transfer, which is what we were discussing before getting derailed. Evan Lisle is the only grad-student Cut has brought in and Lisle approached Duke.

    A few years ago Jeff Driskell approached Duke as a prospective grad-student transfer but Duke showed little interest and he moved on.

    For whatever reason, Cut doesn't like the whole thing. I would hope he would get over it this off-season, especially if a top-tier QB, DT or OG pops up on the horizon.

    And yes, they have to be really good students, which greatly limits the size of the pool.
    All of this. Even if Cut changes his mind, you have to find a player who would be an upgrade to our current roster,who wants to transfer to Duke, and who can qualify academically.

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