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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    It ends after a pre determined time...say ten or fifteen minutes. If still tied at that point, sudden death, no questions asked. That would be a far superior system to what they have now.
    You are just moving an arbitrary line. That’s not a way to solve a problem. Even one that doesn’t exist.

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by cato View Post
    You are just moving an arbitrary line. That’s not a way to solve a problem. Even one that doesn’t exist.
    That doesn't make any sense. This solves a problem that does exist, and it's hardly arbitrary. You can find imperfections in that system, but it's "more"perfect than what they're doing now - and more than any other idea I can think of.

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    I am interested in what House P suggested though. What if you team goes first and scores the td but decides to go for 2? Does that end the game since that score can't be beat?


    Hmm what if it was done your way but also add the caveat of a time trial. So let's say the first team kicks a fg and the drive lasted 6 mins 42 seconds. The 2nd team can win by beating the score or kicking the fg quicker. That could make for some interesting decisions. If your at 6 mins and 30 seconds but the fg is a 45 yarder do you kick it for the win off of time or keep going for the TD?
    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge" -Stephen Hawking

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    Quote Originally Posted by House P View Post
    How about this for a twist? If a team scores on the first drive of overtime, the other team gets one possession to outscore them (but is not allowed to tie them).

    So, if the first team kicks a field goal, the second team must score a touchdown.

    If the first team scores a touchdown and kicks the extra point, the second team has to score a touchdown and convert 2pt attempt.

    Not sure what would happen if the first team scored a TD and converted a 2pt attempt, but there are several options (including disallowing the first team from going for two).
    This idea and JNort's notion of timing are two of the best OT ideas I have heard in a long time. I still kinda like the college football model (it eliminates punting and KOs from the OT, but that seems like a reasonable sacrifice) but this "outscore your opponent" notion really appeals to me.

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  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    This idea and JNort's notion of timing are two of the best OT ideas I have heard in a long time. I still kinda like the college football model (it eliminates punting and KOs from the OT, but that seems like a reasonable sacrifice) but this "outscore your opponent" notion really appeals to me.

    -Jason "if only the DBR had a vote on the NFL competition committee" Evans
    Given the ratings from the two conference championship games, the NFL competition committee is probably trying to come up with ways to get more games to OT (without blowing an obvious call, Buffalo Wildwings style), not tinker with something that produced two wild, popular games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cato View Post
    Given the ratings from the two conference championship games, the NFL competition committee is probably trying to come up with ways to get more games to OT (without blowing an obvious call, Buffalo Wildwings style), not tinker with something that produced two wild, popular games.
    But most of the ideas involve ways of making OT last longer and be even more exciting. I'd think the NFL would salivate at that!
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  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by cato View Post
    Given the ratings from the two conference championship games, the NFL competition committee is probably trying to come up with ways to get more games to OT (without blowing an obvious call, Buffalo Wildwings style), not tinker with something that produced two wild, popular games.
    The ratings issue would be exactly the same with a more balanced overtime status. This would not be tinkering with that, and the notion that the OT rule is what produced the wild popularity is almost funny....silly.

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    But most of the ideas involve ways of making OT last longer and be even more exciting. I'd think the NFL would salivate at that!
    I’m curious, have you heard of anyone associated with the NFL suggesting that the OT rules aren’t working out just fine?

    I’d be surprised if this is an issue they look at. Perhaps it’s just me, but everyone I talk to IRL thought the conference championship games were fantastic — although completely marred by the missed call in the Saints game. The only place I have heard people complaining about the OT set up is this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cato View Post
    I’m curious, have you heard of anyone associated with the NFL suggesting that the OT rules aren’t working out just fine?

    I’d be surprised if this is an issue they look at. Perhaps it’s just me, but everyone I talk to IRL thought the conference championship games were fantastic — although completely marred by the missed call in the Saints game. The only place I have heard people complaining about the OT set up is this one.
    Really? I've had it come up with friends, family, co-workers, and on local sports radio (in the Triangle, no affiliation with any involved teams).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cato View Post
    I’m curious, have you heard of anyone associated with the NFL suggesting that the OT rules aren’t working out just fine?
    I'm betting there are a few AFC owners/coaches who are sick of the Pats who did not enjoy the way the Chiefs game ended.
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  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    I'm betting there are a few AFC owners/coaches who are sick of the Pats who did not enjoy the way the Chiefs game ended.
    Of course there are many in the NFL who don't like this rule, and many never have. For someone (not you) to suggest otherwise is just plain silly...totally unserious. And BTW, I'm neither a Pats hater or a Pats fan....nor a Rams or Saints fan either...but this system is so flawed, there are any number of systems that would be significantly superior with no downside.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    Of course there are many in the NFL who don't like this rule, and many never have. For someone (not you) to suggest otherwise is just plain silly...totally unserious. And BTW, I'm neither a Pats hater or a Pats fan...nor a Rams or Saints fan either...but this system is so flawed, there are any number of systems that would be significantly superior with no downside.
    I am not sure what your issue is, but it is not silly to suggest that the OT rules in the NFL are fine. That is my opinion, and the opinion of what a few other people. Seriously.

    Perhaps it is time to accept that your opinion is not the only “serious” one?

    So, who does everyone got on Sunday? Part of me wants the Rams, simply because of how great it would be to have Dean Spanos see the other owner of an LA team win. Part of me thinks the Pats will be too much for the new kid on the block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cato View Post
    So, who does everyone got on Sunday? Part of me wants the Rams, simply because of how great it would be to have Dean Spanos see the other owner of an LA team win. Part of me thinks the Pats will be too much for the new kid on the block.
    I am rooting for the Rams but I fully expect the Patriots to win. Tom Terrific will be the MVP.

    Patriots 31, Rams 26
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    Apparently all the sharp money... I mean all the experienced analytical gamblers... are taking the Rams. There's a reason the line opened at Rams -1.5. The smart money is on the better team, not the legendary QB/Coach. Any time a casino number hits Pats -3, the sharps rush in and bet it like crazy until it gets back to Pats -2.5. If you can find a Pats -3, bet the farm on it.

    -Jason "this is not to say that the Rams will certainly win or cover, anything can happen in one game, but the analytics guys say they are the better team" Evans
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  15. #255
    Game day! The official end of football season, and when causal fans start watching roundball.

    I suspect the game will be close. If either team pulls away, I think it is the Rams. I don't think the Pat's can put up a boatload of points on LA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Apparently all the sharp money... I mean all the experienced analytical gamblers... are taking the Rams. There's a reason the line opened at Rams -1.5. The smart money is on the better team, not the legendary QB/Coach. Any time a casino number hits Pats -3, the sharps rush in and bet it like crazy until it gets back to Pats -2.5. If you can find a Pats -3, bet the farm on it.

    -Jason "this is not to say that the Rams will certainly win or cover, anything can happen in one game, but the analytics guys say they are the better team" Evans
    I hope they are right, but only a fool bets against Brady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattman91 View Post
    I hope they are right, but only a fool bets against Brady.
    yup, we'll see how smart the smart guys are. I don't have a horse in this race, but Belichick is pretty good at taking away what the other team wants to do. If a popgun were to my head, I'd bet on the Pats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattman91 View Post
    only a fool bets against Brady.
    A fool who has a lot of money. You can do quite well betting against Brady in the Super Bowl.

    2002 14 point underdog, won and covered
    2004 7 point favorite, won but did not cover
    2005 7 point favorite, won but did not cover
    2008 12 point favorite, lost and did not cover
    2012 2.5 point favorite, lost and did not cover
    2015 pick'em, won and covered
    2017 3 point favorite, won and covered
    2018 4 point favorite, lost and did not cover

    So, against the spread, he is just 3-5.

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    spread, schmed, infatuations with covering nothwithstanding, I think more people just wonder who's going to win the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    spread, schmed, infatuations with covering nothwithstanding, I think more people just wonder who's going to win the game.
    Well, with the spread at 2 (having crept down from 2.5), a non-cover for New England is going to be a loss >90+% of the time, anyway.

    I think Jason's point was that it has hardly been foolish to bet against NE in the Super Bowl. For example, "Bettor X" famously won millions on the Eagles last year and he's back for more on the Rams this year. And gambling aside, NE really hasn't been that dominant in Super Bowls. They've played 8 games that could've gone either way and have gone 5-3 (with most of those 5 victories being extra razor close, like the goal-line interception against Seattle or the overtime comeback win against Atlanta). But maybe they surprise today and play a non-competitive game for once.

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