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  1. #7821
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    ^ some of these assertions seem to have the thread coming off the rails.
    When others raised the issue of how allegations of sexual misconduct against the prospective candidates could affect voters, and whether that kind of behavior ought to be deemed disqualifying when choosing a leader, I assumed it would be appropriate as a comment on the "horse race" to respond by sharing our observations about the extent to which such allegations seem to be influencing the votes of people we know, and particularly why, contrary to a popular viewpoint, it may not necessarily be regarded as disqualifying by some voters. If my post is deemed to be out of bounds, then the moderators are welcome to delete it.

  2. #7822
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Gator View Post
    When others raised the issue of how allegations of sexual misconduct against the prospective candidates could affect voters, and whether that kind of behavior ought to be deemed disqualifying when choosing a leader, I assumed it would be appropriate as a comment on the "horse race" to respond by sharing our observations about the extent to which such allegations seem to be influencing the votes of people we know, and particularly why, contrary to a popular viewpoint, it may not necessarily be regarded as disqualifying by some voters. If my post is deemed to be out of bounds, then the moderators are welcome to delete it.
    i was not referring to your post, Stray. I'll leave it at that.

  3. #7823
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldPhiKap View Post
    This is my experience too. Many don’t approve of Trump’s persona or past — but they ain’t voting socialist, which is what they see the the Democratic party as courting (or in Bernie’s case, actually preaching).

    At the risk of being a broken record, the Dems really need to focus on a positive argument about why folks should vote for them instead of talking about Trump. People know who he is. But some of the economic arguments and social issues coming out of the Dem primary are keeping these folks from abandoning Trump.

    It’s about ideas, not personalities.
    I agree and I'm sorry that I began a war by asking if maybe the Democrats want someone else to run against Trump. I also agree with Stray that all Republicans don't dismiss the accusations leveled at Trump. Just like all Democrats don't dismiss the fact that Bill Clinton ran from the draft. I have voted for Democrats and I've voted for Republicans since JFK and I'll continue to vote for the party that has the platform that best reflects my values. That's the way I was brought up.

    God bless the USA!

    By the way, the first I heard of the Biden accusations were on this site.

  4. #7824
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    Sorry or getting us off track and sorry for painting with too broad a brush. Several of ya'll are 100% right that it is possible to disapprove of some of Trump's behavior and yet still prefer him to a candidate on the other side. I should have been more nuanced in my take on Biden and how the sexual assault allegation might play out... heck, I probably should have just left the opinion of Republicans out of it altogether as it is not really germane to Biden's support among the left.

    Thanks for straightening me out.
    I don't know what you are doing right now, but if you aren't listening to the DBR Podcast, you're doing it wrong.

  5. #7825
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    and sorry for painting with too broad a brush.
    That's actually artistically impossible. Wider the better!
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

  6. #7826
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    The accuser who now recalls that she was raped by Biden, rather than touched in an overly intimate way, said this, and much more, in December in just-now-deleted posts on Medium:

    "I love Russia with all my heart ... President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader."

    https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/stat...14506930909185

  7. #7827
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    Bernie Sanders must love Dumb and Dumber because he's telling us there's a chance.

    Best I can tell, he didn't elaborate on what the admittedly narrow path looks like, but I would say the current pandemic has at least created an environment of uncertainty given all the primary pushbacks and Trump's small bump and the economic catastrophe. Things look very different than they did a month ago when Jomentum was a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bundabergdevil View Post
    Bernie Sanders must love Dumb and Dumber because he's telling us there's a chance.

    Best I can tell, he didn't elaborate on what the admittedly narrow path looks like, but I would say the current pandemic has at least created an environment of uncertainty given all the primary pushbacks and Trump's small bump and the economic catastrophe. Things look very different than they did a month ago when Jomentum was a thing.
    Hang on... what else cold he have said? "No, I have no chance."
    I don't know what you are doing right now, but if you aren't listening to the DBR Podcast, you're doing it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Hang on... what else cold he have said? "No, I have no chance."
    Yes, and then conceded!

  10. #7830
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    Biden has said he doesn't feel the need to debate with Bernie anymore. I agree. Would it really affect anything at this point if he pulled a DJT and says "I'm not going to be in the next one"?
    Bernie is done, and Biden is well within his rights to treat himself as the nominee. Move on and campaign against Trump, not against another Dem.
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

  11. #7831
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    Biden has said he doesn't feel the need to debate with Bernie anymore. I agree. Would it really affect anything at this point if he pulled a DJT and says "I'm not going to be in the next one"?
    Bernie is done, and Biden is well within his rights to treat himself as the nominee. Move on and campaign against Trump, not against another Dem.
    I don't see what Biden could gain in a debate. I don't see the DNC forcing his hand by announcing one without consulting him. I really doubt we get another debate.
    I don't know what you are doing right now, but if you aren't listening to the DBR Podcast, you're doing it wrong.

  12. #7832
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    Some new figures from a CBS/YouGove Poll on the current state of affairs, Trump's performance, and the like. This poll gets a 'B-' rating from 538 so not the best, not the worst.

    Some positive figures in there for Trump (majority view his conferences as helpful), and some negative figures (most view admin performance subpar, healthy majority do not think political considerations such as whether a governor is appreciative should have any bearing on disbursement of supplies).

    Most interesting nugget to me is how respondents believe April will go --- bad, about the same, better (more selections, just a summary). Big party divides here with Democrats much more pessimistic than Republicans.

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