Page 397 of 1306 FirstFirst ... 297347387395396397398399407447497897 ... LastLast
Results 7,921 to 7,940 of 26103
  1. #7921
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Undisclosed
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    Yes, some people don't like to hear it, but Bernie and Joe are good friends...Joe was very kind to Bernie when he joined the Senate, one of relatively few who were, and Bernie has always appreciated that. Despite what you may hear elsewhere, Bernie is going to campaign hard for Joe. He'll relish that. Remains to be seen how Joe will use him. And double yes to your point that Biden's strength is not being HRC...it's become fairly evident that much of Bernie's success four years ago had to do with HRC's unpopularity...got him a lot of votes he wouldn't have received otherwise.

    Count me in the Klobuchar camp as well...smart, personable, good on TV, Midwestern. Yeah, so she's tough on her staff...so are a whole lot of people...I think she's a better fit than Harris, for example, but Harris is obviously high on the list, too.
    Hard for me to disagree with any of this. Spot on.

  2. #7922
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    NC
    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Yeah, but the premise is made more uncertain by the fact that, in running for the third straight Democratic Party wins, both Al Gore and Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.

    And two of the other "flips," 1960 and 1968, had razor-thin margins, and I was still up watching the returns for both at 8AM. And Jimmy Carter's win over Gerald Ford also led me to stay up all night.

    Kindly,
    Sage Grouse
    'Had a chance to look again at the electoral map for Carter-Ford in 1976. Boy, the South really wanted a southern president! Carter won every southern state except Virginia and every border state except Oklahoma. Except for LBJ, who inherited the office, the previous Southern politician to win the presidency had been James K. Polk, elected in 1844 but born in 1795.

    'Also omitted Eisenhower, born in Texas, but lived there only briefly and Zachary Taylor of Virginia, known, like Ike for his military exploits not his politics. Similarly, Woodrow Wilson was born in VA and lived in SC until he transferred from Davidson college to Princeton after freshman year and never went back.'
    Yep, totally agree. I think the "parties don't win 3 straight times" argument is wildly overstated. As noted, two of the flips happened in extremely weird outcomes (2000 and 2016), another two that were really close (1960 and 1968), and another that was a really unique circumstance (1976). So basically just 3 "regular" elections in which a part was going for a 3-peat. And in one of those, the 3-peat happened. Hard for me to believe that there is anything inherently more difficult about a party winning for a third time in a row. Just not nearly enough data to support that argument.

  3. #7923
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    North of Durham
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    I've felt for some time now that Klobuchar is a no brainer, especially looking forward to 2024. She's very good on the pulpit and would be an excellent transition candidate for the Dems assuming Biden is a one term president (and the Dems look to stay in the middle lane instead of going back to the left).
    I agree. Also, it is far down on the list of reasons to choose her, but the fact that Klobuchar's husband had coronavirus gives her an interesting perspective on a major issue.

    All that being said, I would think that right now Biden's team is spending a lot of time looking for skeletons in people's closets and doing polls among critical voting groups.

  4. #7924
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    North of Chicago
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    Yes, some people don't like to hear it, but Bernie and Joe are good friends...Joe was very kind to Bernie when he joined the Senate, one of relatively few who were, and Bernie has always appreciated that. Despite what you may hear elsewhere, Bernie is going to campaign hard for Joe. He'll relish that. Remains to be seen how Joe will use him. And double yes to your point that Biden's strength is not being HRC...it's become fairly evident that much of Bernie's success four years ago had to do with HRC's unpopularity...got him a lot of votes he wouldn't have received otherwise.

    Count me in the Klobuchar camp as well...smart, personable, good on TV, Midwestern. Yeah, so she's tough on her staff...so are a whole lot of people...I think she's a better fit than Harris, for example, but Harris is obviously high on the list, too.
    I like Klobuchar well enough, but I think there's a chance to help solidify the support of the Sanders supporters with a more progressive choice. Stacey Abrams maybe?

  5. #7925
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Steamboat Springs, CO
    Quote Originally Posted by Chicago 1995 View Post
    I like Klobuchar well enough, but I think there's a chance to help solidify the support of the Sanders supporters with a more progressive choice. Stacey Abrams maybe?
    Zero chance for Abrams. Her highest position was minority leader of the Georgia House -- never a house or senate member, nor a governor or lt. governor, nor a federal appointed official. Great resume, otherwise.
    Sage Grouse

    ---------------------------------------
    'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013

  6. #7926
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Undisclosed
    Biden has said that, given his age, it is important that his VP pick be "ready on day one" if needed. So I'm guessing either a Senator or a governor. And he has already promised that it would be a female.

  7. #7927
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Outside Philly
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    Yes, some people don't like to hear it, but Bernie and Joe are good friends...Joe was very kind to Bernie when he joined the Senate, one of relatively few who were, and Bernie has always appreciated that. Despite what you may hear elsewhere, Bernie is going to campaign hard for Joe. He'll relish that. Remains to be seen how Joe will use him. And double yes to your point that Biden's strength is not being HRC...it's become fairly evident that much of Bernie's success four years ago had to do with HRC's unpopularity...got him a lot of votes he wouldn't have received otherwise.

    Count me in the Klobuchar camp as well...smart, personable, good on TV, Midwestern. Yeah, so she's tough on her staff...so are a whole lot of people...I think she's a better fit than Harris, for example, but Harris is obviously high on the list, too.
    Rumor floated some time ago that a couple very funny Veep episodes were based on Klobuchar stories...

  8. #7928
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Vermont
    I loved that show. Count me in on the Not Abrams team...impressive enough person, but almost being Gov just won't suffice. (Would've said the same about Mayor Pete, insufficient credentials, especially given Joe's age.)

    Progressives sure didn't show up for Bernie in droves...I'm thinking the better bet is Klobuchar who helps in the Midwest/rust belt...don't see progressives opting for the Prez...

  9. #7929
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Outside Philly
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    I loved that show. Count me in on the Not Abrams team...impressive enough person, but almost being Gov just won't suffice. (Would've said the same about Mayor Pete, insufficient credentials, especially given Joe's age.)

    Progressives sure didn't show up for Bernie in droves...I'm thinking the better bet is Klobuchar who helps in the Midwest/rust belt...don't see progressives opting for the Prez...
    My top 3 right now assuming Biden sticks to his promise to pick a woman are:

    Klobuchar
    Catherine Cortez Masto
    Tammy Duckworth

    As I've said, I think the optics of Gretchen Whitmer leaving her post mid-crisis to campaign would be...bad. Same with any other female executives Biden may be considering. Senators, not so much, so that's why I'm going Klobuchar for the reasons others have stated. I think she and Biden have a pretty strong case to rust belt states and won't make the same missteps there HRC did.

    I don't think Biden needs to court the progressives with a Warren-type selection; doing so may serve to bolster one of the enduring lines of attack GOP's like to launch (socialism). I do think the Latino community is worth courting with a VP selection though. It could help in south Florida (whereas a Warren or Sanders-type would hurt) and there are a lot of states that are (supposedly) finally reaching critical demographic tipping points. Maybe those are the smarter target than rust belt states? I think no, for now...

    Finally, Duckworth is an interesting choice. She could be an engaging and authoritative attacker on military, VA, and foreign affairs issues. The GOP - and Trump, in particular - have shown over and over again that their respect for military service ends at politics so I'm sure she'd get savaged on the social front. She was also born in Thailand though, and I haven't looked into details, it was because her father was in the Army so she should be okay...

  10. #7930
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Norfolk, VA
    Quote Originally Posted by bundabergdevil View Post
    She was also born in Thailand though, and I haven't looked into details, it was because her father was in the Army so she should be okay...
    She is okay. She is a natural born citizen.
    Bob Green

  11. #7931
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Outside Philly
    That was fast. Biden actively courting Sanders's supporters by releasing a couple of proposals on the progressive end of the spectrum.

    Biden shed any pretense about his need to win over Bernie Sanders voters when he announced a pair of proposals Thursday aimed at assuaging wary progressives: lowering the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 60 years old, and forgiving all student debt for low- and middle-income people who attended public colleges and universities, as well as those who attended private Historically Black Colleges and Universities and other institutions that serve minority students.

  12. #7932
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Undisclosed
    CNN on Biden’s VP choices:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/polit...ick/index.html

    FWIW.

  13. #7933
    Quote Originally Posted by bundabergdevil View Post
    That was fast. Biden actively courting Sanders's supporters by releasing a couple of proposals on the progressive end of the spectrum.
    So much for the idea that you run to the extreme to win the nomination and run to the middle to win the general election.

  14. #7934
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Outside Philly
    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    So much for the idea that you run to the extreme to win the nomination and run to the middle to win the general election.
    Well, in fairness, one of those (lowering the Medicare eligibility age) has broad appeal in the electorate of both parties. So, I don't necessarily think of that as a far-out progressive idea and the hardcore progressives may not bite. The student loan debt forgiveness tends to be more divided along partisan lines.

    I don't think either of my assertions is controversial but I'll need to do a little poll digging for back-up if I get called on either statement.

  15. #7935
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    So much for the idea that you run to the extreme to win the nomination and run to the middle to win the general election.
    That seemed (to me) a strategic error in his campaign. He was putting so much effort into looking like the most moderate candidate in the primaries that he didn't leave himself any room to pivot to the center. He was already about as center as he could be. Instead of finding some ways to court people on some choice progressive matters during the primary, he's now essentially having to pivot to the left to do so during the general where you would expect him to be more centrist. Seems backwards.

    As far as the student loan forgiveness, seems like it would be better to just pick some amount ($5k, $10k, $25k, whatever) and just reduce everyone's balance by that amount rather than forgive debt only for people who attended public schools.

  16. #7936
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Undisclosed
    Quote Originally Posted by bundabergdevil View Post
    Well, in fairness, one of those (lowering the Medicare eligibility age) has broad appeal in the electorate of both parties. So, I don't necessarily think of that as a far-out progressive idea and the hardcore progressives may not bite. The student loan debt forgiveness tends to be more divided along partisan lines.

    I don't think either of my assertions is controversial but I'll need to do a little poll digging for back-up if I get called on either statement.
    FWIW your post jibes with my general sense of where the country is. This is not a radical position by Biden in terms of electoral politics.

  17. #7937
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Quote Originally Posted by OldPhiKap View Post
    I just can't see Harris as the #1 choice...I don't even think she's viable. She performed poorly in the primaries for a reason, and her career as a prosecutor is going to provide an open invitation to attack both her and Joe on "tough on crime" issues where they are not necessarily in step with at least some parts of the party (or at least their stances earlier in their careers weren't). Easily the worst choice on that list, IMO, and she's #1 which makes me question all their other rankings. The article mentions her home state as a strength, but I don't think Joe needs help shoring up California in the general.

    Quote Originally Posted by bundabergdevil View Post
    Well, in fairness, one of those (lowering the Medicare eligibility age) has broad appeal in the electorate of both parties. So, I don't necessarily think of that as a far-out progressive idea and the hardcore progressives may not bite. The student loan debt forgiveness tends to be more divided along partisan lines.

    I don't think either of my assertions is controversial but I'll need to do a little poll digging for back-up if I get called on either statement.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldPhiKap View Post
    FWIW your post jibes with my general sense of where the country is. This is not a radical position by Biden in terms of electoral politics.
    Agreed that expanding Medicare was some low-hanging fruit in terms of likely having broad bi-partisan support in the electorate that Joe was wise to pick up.

  18. #7938
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Undisclosed
    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    I just can't see Harris as the #1 choice...I don't even think she's viable. She performed poorly in the primaries for a reason, and her career as a prosecutor is going to provide an open invitation to attack both her and Joe on "tough on crime" issues where they are not necessarily in step with at least some parts of the party (or at least their stances earlier in their careers weren't). Easily the worst choice on that list, IMO, and she's #1 which makes me question all their other rankings. The article mentions her home state as a strength, but I don't think Joe needs help shoring up California in the general.
    Agreed with all of this.

    I would bet either a sitting governor, or Klobuchar if it is a Senator.

  19. #7939
    Quote Originally Posted by Acymetric View Post
    As far as the student loan forgiveness, seems like it would be better to just pick some amount ($5k, $10k, $25k, whatever) and just reduce everyone's balance by that amount rather than forgive debt only for people who attended public schools.
    I think it basically is capped because the proposal only forgives federal student loans, which are given at both public and private schools, and are capped at like $6k/year. So, this is not free college tuition or forgiving hundreds of thousands of dollars of loans to all students. It's undergrad federal student loan forgiveness only.
       

  20. #7940
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluedog View Post
    I think it basically is capped because the proposal only forgives federal student loans, which are given at both public and private schools, and are capped at like $6k/year. So, this is not free college tuition or forgiving hundreds of thousands of dollars of loans to all students. It's undergrad federal student loan forgiveness only.
    I'm not concerned about capping it, I'm offering that as a solution to actually doing what they ought to do.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammin.../#431cf1dd630d

    Biden’s proposal would forgive all undergraduate federal student loan debt for borrowers who attended public colleges and universities, as well as historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and private minority-serving institutions (MSIs).

    Borrowers who earn an income of less than $125,000 per year would be eligible for student loan forgiveness.
    I'm objecting to limiting it to federal student loans for public colleges. If you're forgiving federal student loans for people making under $125k per year, just do it regardless of the school they attended. If you think that costs too much, then cap the amount but still do it across the board. I'm not sure why someone who comes out of NC State with $25k in federal loans should have it wiped out, but someone who comes out of (for example) Guilford College with $25k in federal loans gets to keep paying theirs.

Similar Threads

  1. MLB 2020 HOF Election
    By Blue in the Face in forum Off Topic
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 01-24-2020, 12:28 PM
  2. Presidential Inauguration
    By such in forum Off Topic
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 11-26-2008, 11:19 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •