MBB: 2019 Coaching Carousel

[ChillinDuke]

Pretty sure this was just his third year. 0-18 in the conference will leave a mark I guess, no matter which year.

I mean, sure, very bad year. But they did lose a Top-10 draft pick this year, and they were 4-0 with him before that (while not against a murderers row, they were decent wins).

- Chillin

[frb]

Drew got a raw deal. He lost Garland but was coming off the best recruiting class at vandy in decades.. signed 2 top 100 type recruits last november in Dylan Disu and Austin Crowley..plus scottie pippen jr. new AD walks in and wants to make himself seem useful.

[BD80]

... 0-18 in the conference will leave a mark I guess, ...

Not in the wins column ...

[YmoBeThere]

Presumably, YmoBeThere will be pleased.
Story.

In a way. I hate to see people get fired but the team never responded to his coaching. Or he wasn't coaching. I watched 28 out of the 32 games this season and the team just didn't get better. Yes, with Garland out there should have been an expected dropoff in team performance. But that doesn't mean going winless in conference is an acceptable outcome.

Drew got a raw deal. He lost Garland but was coming off the best recruiting class at vandy in decades.. signed 2 top 100 type recruits last november in Dylan Disu and Austin Crowley..plus scottie pippen jr. new AD walks in and wants to make himself seem useful.

I would guess that you may not have seen many of the games. His recruiting was fine but in many ways the players regressed on the court. And this wasn't just a one season thing. He went 12-20 the year before. I'm glad ADMT had the courage to make the tough decision. Otherwise we could be in Wake's position and dealing with "The Lost Decade" (as someone phrased it) in a couple years. We may still be, but at least for the moment we can hope for better days.

[CameronBornAndBred]

Wow...

So Wake Forest will not be a landing site for a new coach this year.

Danny Manning will return for a sixth season at Wake Forest despite his third 20-loss season in five years.
Retiring athletic director Ron Wellman announced the decision Friday, 10 days after the Demon Deacons ended an 11-20 season with a loss to Miami in the first round of the Atlantic Coast Conference tournament.

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/mannin...ason/18277346/

[Green Wave Dukie]

Dunleavy out at Tulane.

And Ron Hunter in...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...e-hunter-coach

Some of you will remember his moment of fame, 4 years ago, falling off a stool (which I think is one of the classic NCAA basketball tourney clips of all time)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmcOo-bGJp0

[BD80]

And Ron Hunter in...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...e-hunter-coach

Some of you will remember his moment of fame, 4 years ago, falling off a stool (which I think is one of the classic NCAA basketball tourney clips of all time)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmcOo-bGJp0

So when the university asks for a stool sample as part of the onboarding process ...

[DangerDevil]

Add Cal Berkeley to the list.

Waking Jones out after two seasons and a 16 and 47 record.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...es-8-23-season

[JasonEvans]

And Ron Hunter in...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...e-hunter-coach

I don't get this. Hunter has done an amazing job at Ga State (3 NCAA tourneys in 6 years, 4 out of 6 seasons winning 24+ games) and I would have thought he would be in line for a much bigger job. Tulane feels like a lateral move. The Green Wave are in a better conference (the AAC) and have a great campus that could be attractive in recruiting, but they have very little history of success (3 NCAA tournaments in their history, have not been to the NIT or NCAA in almost 2 decades).

-Jason "I don't know why a bigger program would not have gone after him" Evans

[DallasDevil]

Two more jobs opened up today. Dave Rose announced his retirement as BYU's coach, and Nebraska let go of Tim Miles. Mark Pope is reported to be the leading candidate for the BYU job, and Nebraska is reportedly eyeing Fred Hoiberg.

Article on Rose/BYU: https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...afternoon.html

Article on Miles/Nebraska: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...s-eyes-hoiberg

[Pghdukie]

Arkansas parts ways with their HC Anderson

[flyingdutchdevil]

Wow...

So Wake Forest will not be a landing site for a new coach this year.


https://www.wralsportsfan.com/mannin...ason/18277346/

I'm with you. This is shocking. For a really, really solid program with some incredible alumni (Duncan, Paul), I'm utterly shocked they kept Manning.

It's like WFU enjoys losing at basketball. Manning has a record of 65-93 (41%) at WFU. And they're still keeping him!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

Really unbelievable.

[TKG]

I'm with you. This is shocking. For a really, really solid program with some incredible alumni (Duncan, Paul), I'm utterly shocked they kept Manning.

It's like WFU enjoys losing at basketball. Manning has a record of 65-93 (41%) at WFU. And they're still keeping him!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

Really unbelievable.

As we have come to understand, Wake is a volleyball school.

[wsb3]

I'm with you. This is shocking. For a really, really solid program with some incredible alumni (Duncan, Paul), I'm utterly shocked they kept Manning.

It's like WFU enjoys losing at basketball. Manning has a record of 65-93 (41%) at WFU. And they're still keeping him!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

Really unbelievable.

Again..big contract buyout because the AD thought he did something to merit a contract extension a couple years back

[wsb3]

https://heavy.com/sports/2019/03/joh...-vandy-rumors/

Interesting. I have no idea how much more Vanderbilt could pay but I find myself hoping he stays at UCF. Also, how does Vanderbilt admissions line up with Stanford? I confess I have no idea. If memory serves me correctly it seems like we use to go head to head often on recruits with Stanford.

[Acymetric]

https://heavy.com/sports/2019/03/joh...-vandy-rumors/

Interesting. I have no idea how much more Vanderbilt could pay but I find myself hoping he stays at UCF. Also, how does Vanderbilt admissions line up with Stanford? I confess I have no idea. If memory serves me correctly it seems like we use to go head to head often on recruits with Stanford.

I would think that

A) Johnny would want a better P5 job than Vandy. I don't really see it as a big step up from UCF...I suppose they might be able to offer more money but I'm not confident that they would

B) Johnny is not going to leave after his son transfers to play for him (unless the younger Dawkins is going to graduate and go pro after this year)

Edit: I see the article discusses the angle of staying with his son (I would be surprised if he goes pro this year but who knows?). I still don't think Vandy is worth leaving UCF for.

[sagegrouse]

I would think that

A) Johnny would want a better P5 job than Vandy. I don't really see it as a big step up from UCF...I suppose they might be able to offer more money but I'm not confident that they would

B) Johnny is not going to leave after his son transfers to play for him (unless the younger Dawkins is going to graduate and go pro after this year)

Edit: I see the article discusses the angle of staying with his son (I would be surprised if he goes pro this year but who knows?). I still don't think Vandy is worth leaving UCF for.

I may have the details wrong, but I understand that Aubrey Dawkins may return to UCF, after which he would be eligible for Social Security.

[CameronBornAndBred]

I'm happy to see JD's name rumored for anything. Obviously, he was not the answer at Stanford, but he has since then proved himself for being a coach worthy of attention.
I'd like to see him stay at least another year or two at UCF so he can show what he can do with some momentum.

[HaveFunExpectToWin]

Pretty sure this was just his third year. 0-18 in the conference will leave a mark I guess, no matter which year.

This year was worse than many saw from the outside. Drew is a standup guy and got some exciting recruits that Stallings was never able to, but the players didn’t improve and seemed to quit from my and other fans’ perspective.

Also, that’s a low blow on the front page. Memorial is as fine a gym as you’ll find in college basketball. Go Dores.

[House P]

I would think that

A) Johnny would want a better P5 job than Vandy. I don't really see it as a big step up from UCF.

I should probably leave this to YmoBeThere, but I feel oddly compelled to step in and try to defend Vandy's reputation.

You are probably right if you consider the past 3 years. The Bryce Drew era at Vandy probably hasn't been a step up from the Johnny Dawkins era at UCF. Additionally, UCF seems to be putting a lot of emphasis on big time sports, so who knows what the trajectory holds for the next 10 years. While I wouldn't bet a pie on it, it is entirely possible that UCF could be as strong of a program as Vandy in 2025.

However, prior to Johnny and Bryce arriving at their respective schools, you could make an fair argument for Vandy as a top 50 basketball program, while UCF was barely on anyone's radar.

Here's some perspective.

Weeks ranked in the AP Poll (1949-2016)
Vandy: 204 (43rd best)
UCF: 4 (171st best)

Weeks ranked in the AP Poll (2000-2016)
Vandy: 60 (47th best)
UCF: 4 (101st best)

NCAA tournament bids, 12 seed or higher (2000-2016)
Vandy: 7
UCF: 0 (in fairness, UCF had appearances as a 14 seed and a 15 seed from the American Sun conference)

Seasons ranked in KenPom top 50 (2001-2016)
Vandy: 9
UCF: 0

Seasons ranked in KenPom top 100 (2001-2016)
Vandy: 15
UCF: 2