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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    After the Notre Dame game, Zion's nation-leading efficiency numbers got better:

    Zion's nation-leading PER is now 42.4

    Zion's nation-leading win shares per 40 is now .374

    Zion's nation-leading box plus-minus is now 21.2

    Zion's nation-leading eFG% is now 70.3%

    Zion's oRating of 136.4 is now up to 3rd in the country. His dRating of 82.9 is 4th in the country.


    This is not normal.
    It is unfathomable to me that he has continued to improve his efficiency even as we've gotten into the meat of ACC play. Coaches have gotten more tape on him to come up with better defensive schemes and he responds by somehow improving on his previous performances. It's ridiculous.
    Who needs a moral victory when you can have a real one?

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    Yeah, the other player was Shaq, as a junior at LSU. His rebounding and block numbers were insane as you’d expect, but Zion’s FG% is considerably higher which is amazing. I didn’t post FT% because I thought it would be a giveaway, but Shaq’s was even worse than Zion’s LOL.

    Both of these guys have larger than life personalities and fill up the room with their smiles. I could totally see Zion also getting into other ventures off the court when his playing days are done. But hopefully no movies about genies 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by COYS View Post
    It is unfathomable to me that he has continued to improve his efficiency even as we've gotten into the meat of ACC play. Coaches have gotten more tape on him to come up with better defensive schemes and he responds by somehow improving on his previous performances. It's ridiculous.
    I seem to recall the sayers of nay opining that once Zion got out of the easy high school leagues and faced real competition in college his game would be exposed. His game has been exposed, but not in a negative way. I thought he would be good and I am still surprised.

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  4. #104
    With 7 assists against 5 turnovers, Tre Jones's a/to ratio has shrunk to 4.65:1. Still record-setting pace, but this illustrates why it's so hard to keep this number up there in the stratosphere.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    With 7 assists against 5 turnovers, Tre Jones's a/to ratio has shrunk to 4.65:1. Still record-setting pace, but this illustrates why it's so hard to keep this number up there in the stratosphere.
    Tre's a/to ratio is now 3.49:1. The Duke record is 3.03:1, by Wojo in 1996-97.

    Hopefully, Tre can keep his ratio good enough for the record, but it's not a lock. For example, if in his NCAAT games Tre gets 30 assists and 18 turnovers, which wouldn't seem to be out of the realm of possibility, his season a/to ratio would be exactly 3:1, and he would fail to set the record.

    According to an earlier post in this thread (by DukeBlue666), the ACC record is 4.11:1 (Pitt's James Robinson in 2013-14). That would seem to be out of reach for Tre but I guess you never know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    Since Shelden Williams left town 12+ years ago, Duke has had five players (300+ minutes) with season-long block% above 6.0%:

    2018 Wendell Carter: 7.6%
    2018 Marques Bolden: 7.5%
    2007 Josh McRoberts: 6.9%
    2009 Brian Zoubek: 6.5%
    2010 Mason Plumlee: 6.1%

    So far this season, the current Duke team has four guys with a block% above 6.0%:

    Marques Bolden: 12.0%
    Javin DeLaurier: 7.3%
    Zion Williamson: 6.7%
    Jack White: 6.2%
    At this point, Duke is down to two players with block% over 6%:

    Marques Bolden: 8.8%
    Javin DeLaurier: 7.4%
    Zion Williamson: 5.9%
    Jack White: 5.0%

    Considering Duke has only had five such players in the previous 12 seasons, that's still pretty good. And Zion's pretty close to 6%, so he could be a third this season, which would be amazing.

    Also interesting that the only players Duke has had since Shelden with block% over 7% have all achieved that mark in the last two seasons.

    Marques would have to have a serious block party in the NCAAT to get even close to Shelden Williams's Duke block% record of 10.64%, set in 2003-04.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    In that same 12 year span, Duke has had four players (300+ minutes) with a steal% above 3.0%:

    2014 Tyler Thornton: 3.8%
    2013 Tyler Thornton: 3.4%
    2007 Dave McClure: 3.3%
    2011 Seth Curry: 3.2%

    So far this season, the current Duke team has five players with a steal% above 3.0%:

    Cam Reddish: 4.5%
    Zion Williamson: 4.4%
    Alex O'Connell: 3.8%
    Javin DeLaurier: 3.5%
    Tre Jones: 3.2%
    We're down to three rotation players with steal% at or over 3%, though that's still amazing considering only four Duke players total had done that in our previous 12 seasons. Also, Javin could get back over 3% if he feels a little felonious in the tournament. And though Jordan hasn't yet played enough minutes to count here, he only needs another 38 minutes and he's also over 3%.

    Zion Williamson: 4.1%
    (Jordan Goldwire: 3.5%; 262 minutes)
    Tre Jones: 3.3%
    Cam Reddish: 3.0%
    Javin DeLaurier: 2.9%
    Alex O'Connell: 2.3%

    Zion would have to get pretty steal-happy in the NCAAT to break Wojo's Duke season record of 4.54%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    In Duke history (since 1987), only one Duke player has had both a block% above 6.0% and a steal% above 3.0%, and that player was Shavlik Randolph in 2005 (6.7% blk% and 3.2% stl%). So far this season, we have two: Zion and Javin.
    Right now, nobody on our team would join Shav in this exclusive club. But Zion's block% is 5.9% (along with steal% of 4.1%) and Javin's steal% is 2.9% (along with a block% of 7.4%), so both of them are still in the running.

    For another interesting combination stat, going back through 2010 no Duke player has had both an assist% over 15% and a defensive rebounding percentage over 15%. This year, two Duke players are doing it:

    Zion Williamson: 18.6% DR%; 15.7% asst%
    RJ Barrett: 17.2% DR%; 22.9% asst%

    RJ's numbers in this regard are especially impressive.


    ZION WATCH

    PER

    According to an earlier post in this thread (by Slower), the NCAA season record for best PER is 36.93 (it's worth noting that the source for this record (and for the others I mention in this thread) doesn't always go back so far; in the case of PER, the record only goes back to 2009-10). Zion is on pace to crush this record, with his current PER of 42.0%.

    Interestingly enough, Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke is also on pace to break the record. He's currently 2nd in the country with a PER of 37.2%. As you'll see as I list Zion's accomplishments, Brandon Clarke is having an amazing season of his own. If it weren't for Zion, people might be talking about Clarke having one of the all-time great seasons.

    oRating

    Zion is currently 2nd in the nation with an oRating of 134.9, which is especially amazing considering his usage rate of 28.2% (Brandon Clarke is 1st in oRating, at 140.1, with a usage of 23.4%). The NCAA record (back to 2009-10) is 145.96.

    dRating

    Zion is currently 4th in the nation with a dRating of 85.5, one of only two players rated in the top 10 of both oRating and dRating (the other is, you guessed it, Brandon Clarke, who is 3rd in dRating at 84.7) The NCAA record (going back to 2009-10) is 76.35.

    eFG%

    Zion leads the nation in eFG%, at 71.7% (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at 70.0%). The NCAA record is 80.0% (going back to 1985-86).

    win shares per 40

    Zion leads the nation in win shares per 40, at .350 (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at .340). The NCAA record (going back to 2009-10) is .3459, meaning Zion is on pace to break it. But I would note that Eltson Brand's win shares per 40 in 1998-99 was also .350.

    box plus-minus

    Zion leads the nation in BPM, at 21.1 (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at 18.6). The NCAA record (going back to 2010-11) is 18.67 (by Anthony Davis in 2011-12), meaning Zion is on pace to crush this one.

    2-point FG%

    Zion is #2 in the nation in two-point FG%, at 76.0% (Brandon Clarke is 9th, at 71.2%). The NCAA record (going back to 1992-93) is 80.0%.

    FG%

    Zion is #2 in the country in plain old vanilla FG%, at 69.3% (Brandon Clarke is 1st, at 69.4%). The NCAA record (going back to 1992-93) is 80.0%.

  6. #106
    This year's Duke team has had 14 wins of 20 or more points, including 8 wins of 30 or more points (and possibly one or two more chances to pad these numbers). This bodes well for our NCAAT chances, as the following tables illustrate:

    Duke teams with more than ten 20+ point wins:
    Code:
    Year	20+ pt AP rk	NCAAT
    1999	24	1	2
    1998	20	3	8
    2001	20	1	1
    2002	18	1	16
    2010	17	3	1
    1989	17	9	4
    2019	14	1	???
    2011	13	5	16
    2004	13	6	4
    2015	13	4	1
    2000	12	1	16
    1990	12	15	2
    1991	12	6	1
    2018	12	5	8
    1988	11	5	4
    1993	11	10	32
    1992	11	1	1
    1986	11	1	2
    Of the previous 17 Duke teams under Coach K that had more than ten 20+ point wins, 13 of them (76.5%) made at least the Elite Eight (including 11 Final Four teams and all five champions). Of the 18 Duke teams under Coach K with ten or fewer 20+ wins, only two (11.1%) went as far as the Elite Eight (2013 and 1994, which of course went to the title game).

    Duke teams with more than six 30+ point wins:
    Code:
    Year	30+ pt	AP rk	NCAAT
    1999	15	1	2
    1998	14	3	8
    2001	12	1	1
    2002	9	1	16
    2000	9	1	16
    1988	9	5	4
    2019	8	1	???
    1990	8	15	2
    2010	7	3	1
    1989	7	9	4
    1991	7	6	1
    1993	7	10	32
    Of the previous 11 Duke teams under Coach K with seven or more 30+ point wins, eight (72.7%) made at least the Elite Eight (including seven Final Four teams and three champions). Of the 24 Duke teams under Coach K with six or fewer 30+ point wins, seven (29.2%) made at least the Elite Eight (including five Final Four teams and two champions).

  7. #107
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    It kind of got lost in the shuffle, but Zion also made 19 consecutive field goals between the NC State, first unc, and third Syracuse games. He missed his first attempt in the third unc game, however, leaving him one short of the ACC record held by Alaa Abdelnaby (and tying Javin’s streak earlier this season).

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by El_Diablo View Post
    It kind of got lost in the shuffle, but Zion also made 19 consecutive field goals between the NC State, first unc, and third Syracuse games. He missed his first attempt in the third unc game, however, leaving him one short of the ACC record held by Alaa Abdelnaby (and tying Javin’s streak earlier this season).
    How cool is that, that two players on the same team in the same season hit 19 in a row, something that hadn't been done by any ACC player in 19 years.

  9. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post

    Also interesting that the only players Duke has had since Shelden with block% over 7% have all achieved that mark in the last two seasons.
    Might the coaching staff have changed defensive strategy the last few years, de-emphasizing taking charges (after the changes in the charge/block rules) and emphasizing rim protection?

  10. #110
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    No doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by BandAlum83 View Post
    Might the coaching staff have changed defensive strategy the last few years, de-emphasizing taking charges (after the changes in the charge/block rules) and emphasizing rim protection?
    If you're in the cylinder, if you go straight up to try to block the shot, you can avoid the foul, at least in theory, and most refs are calling this correctly. So it stands to reason that the block rate would be up.

  11. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    Tre's a/to ratio is now 3.49:1. The Duke record is 3.03:1, by Wojo in 1996-97.

    Hopefully, Tre can keep his ratio good enough for the record, but it's not a lock. For example, if in his NCAAT games Tre gets 30 assists and 18 turnovers, which wouldn't seem to be out of the realm of possibility, his season a/to ratio would be exactly 3:1, and he would fail to set the record.

    According to an earlier post in this thread (by DukeBlue666), the ACC record is 4.11:1 (Pitt's James Robinson in 2013-14). That would seem to be out of reach for Tre but I guess you never know.
    I wonder if that number coming down is intentional...not that i mean he's intentionally committing turnovers, but intentionally being more aggressive at persuasion from the coaching staff?

    Think of it this way: Javin made a gazillion straight, not because he's necessarily a superb finisher and shooter, but because he limited his attempts to ones where he knew he would be successful. Similarly, Tre had great numbers, but might that be because he's almost perfect with low-risk plays and choosing to not play as aggressive? This would seem to follow if his assist rate was inversely correlated ATO when scaled for defense...namely, he trades efficiency for volume (which is always a trade that has to be made to some degree), however, it would hard to be able to get enough data here given the constantly fluctuating personnel this year.

    Further, it doesn't seem like as many of his turnovers are because of making aggressive passes, but seem to be because of his position...If you asked for my "theory" (other than just normal deviation), it would be that the staff has pushed him to be more aggressive, and then he is in a position where it is more easy for him to make turnovers. Regardless, I hope he can clean some of that up...since overall his passing is just so crisp.
    1200. DDMF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    Tre's a/to ratio is now 3.49:1. The Duke record is 3.03:1, by Wojo in 1996-97.

    Hopefully, Tre can keep his ratio good enough for the record, but it's not a lock. For example, if in his NCAAT games Tre gets 30 assists and 18 turnovers, which wouldn't seem to be out of the realm of possibility, his season a/to ratio would be exactly 3:1, and he would fail to set the record.

    According to an earlier post in this thread (by DukeBlue666), the ACC record is 4.11:1 (Pitt's James Robinson in 2013-14). That would seem to be out of reach for Tre but I guess you never know.



    At this point, Duke is down to two players with block% over 6%:

    Marques Bolden: 8.8%
    Javin DeLaurier: 7.4%
    Zion Williamson: 5.9%
    Jack White: 5.0%

    Considering Duke has only had five such players in the previous 12 seasons, that's still pretty good. And Zion's pretty close to 6%, so he could be a third this season, which would be amazing.

    Also interesting that the only players Duke has had since Shelden with block% over 7% have all achieved that mark in the last two seasons.

    Marques would have to have a serious block party in the NCAAT to get even close to Shelden Williams's Duke block% record of 10.64%, set in 2003-04.



    We're down to three rotation players with steal% at or over 3%, though that's still amazing considering only four Duke players total had done that in our previous 12 seasons. Also, Javin could get back over 3% if he feels a little felonious in the tournament. And though Jordan hasn't yet played enough minutes to count here, he only needs another 38 minutes and he's also over 3%.

    Zion Williamson: 4.1%
    (Jordan Goldwire: 3.5%; 262 minutes)
    Tre Jones: 3.3%
    Cam Reddish: 3.0%
    Javin DeLaurier: 2.9%
    Alex O'Connell: 2.3%

    Zion would have to get pretty steal-happy in the NCAAT to break Wojo's Duke season record of 4.54%.



    Right now, nobody on our team would join Shav in this exclusive club. But Zion's block% is 5.9% (along with steal% of 4.1%) and Javin's steal% is 2.9% (along with a block% of 7.4%), so both of them are still in the running.

    For another interesting combination stat, going back through 2010 no Duke player has had both an assist% over 15% and a defensive rebounding percentage over 15%. This year, two Duke players are doing it:

    Zion Williamson: 18.6% DR%; 15.7% asst%
    RJ Barrett: 17.2% DR%; 22.9% asst%

    RJ's numbers in this regard are especially impressive.


    ZION WATCH

    PER

    According to an earlier post in this thread (by Slower), the NCAA season record for best PER is 36.93 (it's worth noting that the source for this record (and for the others I mention in this thread) doesn't always go back so far; in the case of PER, the record only goes back to 2009-10). Zion is on pace to crush this record, with his current PER of 42.0%.

    Interestingly enough, Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke is also on pace to break the record. He's currently 2nd in the country with a PER of 37.2%. As you'll see as I list Zion's accomplishments, Brandon Clarke is having an amazing season of his own. If it weren't for Zion, people might be talking about Clarke having one of the all-time great seasons.

    oRating

    Zion is currently 2nd in the nation with an oRating of 134.9, which is especially amazing considering his usage rate of 28.2% (Brandon Clarke is 1st in oRating, at 140.1, with a usage of 23.4%). The NCAA record (back to 2009-10) is 145.96.

    dRating

    Zion is currently 4th in the nation with a dRating of 85.5, one of only two players rated in the top 10 of both oRating and dRating (the other is, you guessed it, Brandon Clarke, who is 3rd in dRating at 84.7) The NCAA record (going back to 2009-10) is 76.35.

    eFG%

    Zion leads the nation in eFG%, at 71.7% (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at 70.0%). The NCAA record is 80.0% (going back to 1985-86).

    win shares per 40

    Zion leads the nation in win shares per 40, at .350 (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at .340). The NCAA record (going back to 2009-10) is .3459, meaning Zion is on pace to break it. But I would note that Eltson Brand's win shares per 40 in 1998-99 was also .350.

    box plus-minus

    Zion leads the nation in BPM, at 21.1 (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at 18.6). The NCAA record (going back to 2010-11) is 18.67 (by Anthony Davis in 2011-12), meaning Zion is on pace to crush this one.

    2-point FG%

    Zion is #2 in the nation in two-point FG%, at 76.0% (Brandon Clarke is 9th, at 71.2%). The NCAA record (going back to 1992-93) is 80.0%.

    FG%

    Zion is #2 in the country in plain old vanilla FG%, at 69.3% (Brandon Clarke is 1st, at 69.4%). The NCAA record (going back to 1992-93) is 80.0%.
    I suspect all of 'em would rather have one particular end of season thing to be remembered by...

    -jk

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    Quote Originally Posted by -jk View Post
    I suspect all of 'em would rather have one particular end of season thing to be remembered by...

    -jk
    The box plus minus record back to 2010-2011?

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