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  1. #1
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    A Deeper 3 Point Line Next Year?

    I like this idea and hope it happens. I think it would help Duke:

    https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...onal-distance/

    Bummer we lost boogie though

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by richardjackson199 View Post
    I like this idea and hope it happens. I think it would help Duke:

    https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...onal-distance/

    Bummer we lost boogie though
    I agree that is a good change and should reduce percentages a bit from 3 for the average shooter. Unless Alex or Joey become a bigger part of the O-not clear how this will affect Duke

  3. #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukelifer View Post
    I agree that is a good change and should reduce percentages a bit from 3 for the average shooter. Unless Alex or Joey become a bigger part of the O-not clear how this will affect Duke
    No surprise, but one of the options is to allow review of basket interference in the last two minutes plus OT.
    Sage Grouse

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    'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013

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    Deeper 3 point lane!

    I wish this rule would have been implemented last season. Zion would have been even more incredible with a cleaner lane. I have no idea how it will affect this years team. GoDuke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jv001 View Post
    I wish this rule would have been implemented last season. Zion would have been even more incredible with a cleaner lane.
    I feel like the deeper line would have caused opponents to pack it in even more against us, because they would respect our three point shooting even less. They would have essentially defended us as if the line didnít exist.

    In general I am in favor of this rule change though. The three point shot has become too common, it should be a difficult thing reserved for specialists.

  6. #6
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    fine by me, but even a fifteen foot arc wouldn't have helped us last year.

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    It wouldn't help us defensively. Extending the coverage area for our overplay defense? I cringe at the thought.
    Last edited by bullettoothtony; 05-11-2019 at 10:53 AM.

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    Overall a good idea.
    Would have helped past Duke teams.

    Unclear how Duke will be able to take advantage on either side of the ball in upcoming seasons.

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    I beg to differ

    Quote Originally Posted by bullettoothtony View Post
    It wouldn't help us defensively. Extending the coverage area for our overplay defense? I cringe at the thought.
    Since Duke usually puts pressure on outside the three point line, I donít think it would hurt Dukeís defense.

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    fyi the FIBA distance is 22' 1 3/4", or for metric-savvy folks, 6.75 meters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neals384 View Post
    fyi the FIBA distance is 22' 1 3/4", or for metric-savvy folks, 6.75 meters.
    Measurements on DBR are worthless unless they are in cinderblocks. Surprisingly, the Internet does not have a conversion chart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlu View Post
    Measurements on DBR are worthless unless they are in cinderblocks. Surprisingly, the Internet does not have a conversion chart.

    Incorrect.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_masonry_unit

    "In the US, CMU blocks are nominally 16 in (410 mm) wide and 8 in (200 mm) long. Their actual dimensions are their nominal dimensions, minus 3⁄8 inch (9.5 mm) any direction (to allow for mortar joints regardless of their orientation as laid).[7] In Ireland and the UK, blocks are usually 440 mm ◊ 215 mm ◊ 100 mm (17.3 in ◊ 8.5 in ◊ 3.9 in) excluding mortar joints. In Australia, New Zealand and Canada, blocks are usually 390 mm ◊ 190 mm ◊ 190 mm (15.4 in ◊ 7.5 in ◊ 7.5 in) excluding mortar joints."

    You're on your own to complete the math.

    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

  13. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildeac View Post
    Incorrect.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_masonry_unit

    "In the US, CMU blocks are nominally 16 in (410 mm) wide and 8 in (200 mm) long. Their actual dimensions are their nominal dimensions, minus 3⁄8 inch (9.5 mm) any direction (to allow for mortar joints regardless of their orientation as laid).[7] In Ireland and the UK, blocks are usually 440 mm ◊ 215 mm ◊ 100 mm (17.3 in ◊ 8.5 in ◊ 3.9 in) excluding mortar joints. In Australia, New Zealand and Canada, blocks are usually 390 mm ◊ 190 mm ◊ 190 mm (15.4 in ◊ 7.5 in ◊ 7.5 in) excluding mortar joints."

    You're on your own to complete the math.

    Uh, if I have to do my own math, it is not a conversion chart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neals384 View Post
    fyi the FIBA distance is 22' 1 3/4", or for metric-savvy folks, 6.75 meters.
    Whatís also interesting about the FIBA line is that itís slightly shorter in the corners, like the NBA line but much less pronounced. A lot of NBA offenses have incorporated schemes to take advantage of the arbitrage of the shorter corner 3, so it will be interesting to see if that makes its way to NCAA hoops

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkirsh View Post
    Whatís also interesting about the FIBA line is that itís slightly shorter in the corners, like the NBA line but much less pronounced. A lot of NBA offenses have incorporated schemes to take advantage of the arbitrage of the shorter corner 3, so it will be interesting to see if that makes its way to NCAA hoops
    this is what happens when you get involved with foreigners and their fancy meters and kilowhatevers and such.

  16. #16
    I like to see the 3-pt line moved all the way off the court but I like post play and pull up jumpers. The 3 point line was created as an NBA gimmick. I donít think the intent was to make the game revolve around three point shooting. Itís gotten boring imo.

  17. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusland View Post
    I like to see the 3-pt line moved all the way off the court but I like post play and pull up jumpers. The 3 point line was created as an NBA gimmick. I donít think the intent was to make the game revolve around three point shooting. Itís gotten boring imo.
    The first game with a three point line was played in 1945 in a college game. The ABA had a three point line throughout its history. The NBA didn't adopt it until several years after the ABA folded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusland View Post
    I like to see the 3-pt line moved all the way off the court but I like post play and pull up jumpers. The 3 point line was created as an NBA gimmick. I donít think the intent was to make the game revolve around three point shooting. Itís gotten boring imo.
    Yes, but the argument for the three-point line in college had to do with the shot clock. The introduction of the clock meant that teams would just pack the middle to stymie the offense. The three-point shot was the counter. Dean Smith was particularly insistent on this.
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    3 Point History

    Confession, I did not know this. My childhood sports memories do not go back to 1961.

    The 3-point line's first use in a professional league was back in 1961 in the American Basketball League. The ABL only lasted 1 Ĺ seasons before folding, so the 3-pointer quickly went away.

    Link- https://www.usab.com/youth/news/2011...3-pointer.aspx

  20. #20
    that's just kicking the can down the road. they're not looking at readily available data.

    the issue is NOT where the line is... the real problem is when the 3 pt shot was introduced, it was given far too much value over the 2 point shot. The conversion rate of a mid range and long range really isn't that much different.. so why would you take the 2 pointer? the 3 is just about the same probability and is worth 1.5x more. If you're trying to be as efficient as possible, you shoot 3s and lay ups/dunks. Mid range generally isn't worth burning a possession on.

    to "correct" the trend, if you even want to do that, do one of 2 things. Change the point values or eliminate the 3 point line altogether which will never happen- fans like it and the players do, too.

    awarding 1.5x the value of the 2 point shot was the error that was made. Now with modern analytics, teams are playing to be efficient.. and you do that by shooting 3s and lay ups. And of course driving to the basket and drawing fouls... the drives to the basket collapse the defense which opens up shooters to receive a pass for a wide open.. you guessed it.. 3 point shot.

    keep moving the line back and the kids will adapt. they'll figure out how to shoot from even the NBA 3 pt line. Might take a little while for coaches/trainers to get players ready but you'll see that over time, moving the line didn't accomplish anything.

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