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  1. #2941
    Quote Originally Posted by kidA View Post
    Stanley Borden. Lives in Turkey and appears to be on their U18 or U19 team. I couldnít find much on the inter-web; perhaps someone more technologically proficientÖ
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    Strong Bones Stanley.

  2. #2942
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    Yep

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBlue View Post
    Maybe itís Ivanís kid.

  3. #2943
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidA View Post
    Stanley Borden. Lives in Turkey and appears to be on their U18 or U19 team. I couldn’t find much on the inter-web; perhaps someone more technologically proficient…
    He's on the U19 team of the Turkish basketball club Besiktas, not the Turkish national team.
    https://bjk.com.tr/en/takim/36/

    Besiktas is one of the top clubs in Turkey. Former UNC PG Joel Berry plays for them. So does former Indiana star James Blackmon.

    It appears Borden has played in 2 games for the U19 team, averaging 9.5 minutes per game with 2 points scored and 8 total rebounds.
    https://www.youthbasket.com/team/Tur...m/49219?Page=3
    I don't know what you are doing right now, but if you aren't listening to the DBR Podcast, you're doing it wrong.

  4. #2944
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    He's on the U19 team of the Turkish basketball club Besiktas, not the Turkish national team.
    https://bjk.com.tr/en/takim/36/

    Besiktas is one of the top clubs in Turkey. Former UNC PG Joel Berry plays for them. So does former Indiana star James Blackmon.

    It appears Borden has played in 2 games for the U19 team, averaging 9.5 minutes per game with 2 points scored and 8 total rebounds.
    https://www.youthbasket.com/team/Tur...m/49219?Page=3
    And just to clarify, the Besiktas men's team is among the top teams in Turkey. But Borden doesn't appear to play for the Besiktas men's team. As you mentioned, he plays for the Besiktas U19 team. In European sports, the U19 team has relatively little bearing to the first team, as many of those guys on the U19 team never play for the men's team. The majority of those guys either wash out or are loaned/sold to another team.

  5. #2945
    The 2021 FIBA Men's U19 World Cup Gold Medal game between USA and France is starting in a few minutes.
    No Duke commits are playing, but former recruits include Chet Holmgren and Patrick Baldwin Jr.
    https://www.usab.com/news-events/new...al-canada.aspx

  6. #2946
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBlue View Post
    The 2021 FIBA Men's U19 World Cup Gold Medal game between USA and France is starting in a few minutes.
    No Duke commits are playing, but former recruits include Chet Holmgren and Patrick Baldwin Jr.
    https://www.usab.com/news-events/new...al-canada.aspx
    Doesnt the #1 recruit in the class of 2023 play for France ?

  7. #2947
    France leads USA 42-37 at the half. France's Victor Wembanyama (17 yo, 7'2") leads all scorers with 18 points.

  8. #2948
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBlue View Post
    France leads USA 42-37 at the half. France's Victor Wembanyama (17 yo, 7'2") leads all scorers with 18 points.
    That kid looks ridiculous. Only 17 too.

    Easily the number one pick in 2023.

    Game changer. Him and Holmgren are unicorns.

  9. #2949
    USA comes from behind to win 83-81. Wembanyama got into foul trouble and then fouled out with 3 minutes left and 22 points. Kenny Lofton Jr. and Jaden Ivey each had 16 points for USA. A well-deserved gold medal for the U19 team.

  10. #2950
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBlue View Post
    USA comes from behind to win 83-81. Wembanyama got into foul trouble and then fouled out with 3 minutes left and 22 points. Kenny Lofton Jr. and Jaden Ivey each had 16 points for USA. A well-deserved gold medal for the U19 team.
    Wembanyama finished with a very impressive statline of 22 points, 8 rebounds, and 8 blocks (with 5 fouls) in 27 minutes. Outplayed Chet Holmgren who had 10 points, 5 assists, and 2 rebounds. Worth keeping in mind that Wembanyama is 18 months younger than Holmgren. Both look impossibly lean and lanky but are fluid athletes.

  11. #2951
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBlue View Post
    The 2021 FIBA Men's U19 World Cup Gold Medal game between USA and France is starting in a few minutes.
    No Duke commits are playing, but former recruits include Chet Holmgren and Patrick Baldwin Jr.
    https://www.usab.com/news-events/new...al-canada.aspx
    Great. Just what I need is to watch guys who spurned Duke play really well and remind me of what could have been. 😊

  12. #2952
    Jalen Duren, the number 1 ranked player for 2022, has reclassed to 2021 and committed to Memphis. Emoni Bates has also reclassed and may join him. I'm not sure what to expect from Memphis, and I believe Bates stock has dropped, but given that it's Coach K's last season, I wish it was a weaker year for college basketball in general.

  13. #2953
    Quote Originally Posted by Owen Meany View Post
    Jalen Duren, the number 1 ranked player for 2022, has reclassed to 2021 and committed to Memphis. Emoni Bates has also reclassed and may join him. I'm not sure what to expect from Memphis, and I believe Bates stock has dropped, but given that it's Coach K's last season, I wish it was a weaker year for college basketball in general.
    I suspect K does not share that sentiment. I don't see him shying away from a Penny coached team of extremely young talent.

  14. #2954
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukehk View Post
    That kid looks ridiculous. Only 17 too.

    Easily the number one pick in 2023.
    Imagine him on the French senior national team for the 2024 Olympics. Team USA is going to have its hands full.

  15. #2955
    Quote Originally Posted by Native View Post
    Imagine him on the French senior national team for the 2024 Olympics. Team USA is going to have its hands full.
    It'll be fun to watch Tatum and Zion go at him.

  16. #2956
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    I suspect K does not share that sentiment. I don't see him shying away from a Penny coached team of extremely young talent.
    Yeah, I'm not concerned about Memphis in particular. As I said, I'm not sure what to expect from Memphis and Bates stock has dropped. The Duren signing is actually probably a positive thing from a Duke perspective since he was considered a heavy Kentucky lean. I didn't say more because I dont want to jinx anything. But college basketball as a whole will be stronger than I would have liked given that it is Coach K's last hurrah.

    I really want to see Coach K go out on a high note, which, given his success, would require a good tournament run. I didn't love seeing Bacot return, Gonzaga add Holmgreen and retain Timme, Kentucky supposedly add Cockburn (this one actually never came to fruition, thankfully), Dickenson back at Michigan or Duke sitting at 10 in the preseason poll. Normally, I'd look at it as a chance to exceed expectations. This year I just want Coach K and Duke to do well, especially given last season's ending.

    And to pacify the weaufx gods, Hardaway is a relatively young guy who may ultimately be a very good coach, althoughc the jury is still out. And in his first year as an assistant, Larry Brown may be doing a significant amount of coaching without the baggage he will likely quickly accumulate. If Penny adds Rasheed Wallace to his staff as rumored, it will be even more interesting (it should also be noted that Bates evidently will still be too young to declare for next year's draft). So while I don't think Coach K is at all worried about Memphis right now, I'm not sure I'd want to see them in the second round.
    Last edited by Owen Meany; 08-07-2021 at 10:17 PM.

  17. #2957
    Quote Originally Posted by Owen Meany View Post
    Yeah, I'm not concerned about Memphis in particular. As I said, I'm not sure what to expect from Memphis and Bates stock has dropped. The Duren signing is actually probably a positive thing from a Duke perspective since he was considered a heavy Kentucky lean. I didn't say more because I dont want to jinx anything. But college basketball as a whole will be stronger than I would have liked given that it is Coach K's last hurrah.

    I really want to see Coach K go out on a high note, which, given his success, would require a good tournament run. I didn't love seeing Bacot return, Gonzaga add Holmgreen and retain Timme, Kentucky supposedly add Cockburn (this one actually never came to fruition, thankfully), Dickenson back at Michigan or Duke sitting at 10 in the preseason poll. Noormally, I'd look at it as a chance to exceed expectations. This year I just want Coach K and Duke to do well, especially given last season's ending.

    And to pacify the weaufx gods, Hardaway is a relatively young guy who may ultimately be a very good coach, although though the jury is still out. And in his first year as an assistant, Larry Brown may be doing a significant amount of coaching without the baggage he will likely quickly accumulate. And if Penny adds Rasheed Wallace to his staff as rumored, it will be even more interesting (it should also be noted that Bates evidently will still be too young to declare for next year's draft). So while I don't think Coach K is at all worried about Memphis right now, I'm not sure I'd want to see them in the second round.
    I understand your perspective. And I know/agree K wants badly to go out on top. But I suspect that he wants to beat the best. Not win situationally or against subpar competition.

  18. #2958
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    I understand your perspective. And I know/agree K wants badly to go out on top. But I suspect that he wants to beat the best. Not win situationally or against subpar competition.
    K has taken Duke to 12 Final Fours:

    1986: Duke played a #12 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #7 seed in the Elite Eight
    1988: Duke played a #11 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #6 seed in the Final Four
    1989: Duke played a #11 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #3 seed in the Final Four
    1990: Duke played a #7 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #4 seed in the Final Four
    1991: Duke played a #11 seed in the Sweet 16, a #4 seed in the Elite Eight, and a #3 seed in the championship game
    1992: Duke played a #6 seed in the championship game
    1994: Duke played a #6 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #3 seed in the Final Four
    1999: Duke played a #12 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #6 seed in the Elite Eight
    2001: Duke played a #6 seed in the Elite Eight and a #3 seed in the Final Four
    2004: Duke played a #7 seed in the Elite Eight
    2010: Duke played a #5 seed in the championship game
    2015: Duke played a #7 seed in the Final Four

    To sum up the above, in our 12 Final Fours, we played 21 games against teams more than one off the expected seed line (e.g., as a #1, playing a #5 seed instead of a #4 in the Sweet 16 would be "one off"). In contrast, in the 13 tournaments in which Duke lost in the Sweet 16 or the Elite Eight during K's tenure, we only played four games against teams more than one off the expected seed line. Coincidence or not, we've gone further in the tournaments when we haven't played the best teams potentially in our path.

    In fact, in our five championships, we only played against two #1 seeds (in theory, we could have played as many as eleven #1 seeds in those five tournaments), and the only championship run during which we played the overall #1 seed was 1991 vs. UNLV.

    To my knowledge K has never complained about beating subpar competition, winning situationally, or not getting the opportunity to beat the best during or after any of his Final Four runs. (At least not publicly.) Obviously, you play who's in front of you. It probably helps when they're not the best.

  19. #2959
    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    K has taken Duke to 12 Final Fours:

    1986: Duke played a #12 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #7 seed in the Elite Eight
    1988: Duke played a #11 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #6 seed in the Final Four
    1989: Duke played a #11 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #3 seed in the Final Four
    1990: Duke played a #7 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #4 seed in the Final Four
    1991: Duke played a #11 seed in the Sweet 16, a #4 seed in the Elite Eight, and a #3 seed in the championship game
    1992: Duke played a #6 seed in the championship game
    1994: Duke played a #6 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #3 seed in the Final Four
    1999: Duke played a #12 seed in the Sweet 16 and a #6 seed in the Elite Eight
    2001: Duke played a #6 seed in the Elite Eight and a #3 seed in the Final Four
    2004: Duke played a #7 seed in the Elite Eight
    2010: Duke played a #5 seed in the championship game
    2015: Duke played a #7 seed in the Final Four

    To sum up the above, in our 12 Final Fours, we played 21 games against teams more than one off the expected seed line (e.g., as a #1, playing a #5 seed instead of a #4 in the Sweet 16 would be "one off"). In contrast, in the 13 tournaments in which Duke lost in the Sweet 16 or the Elite Eight during K's tenure, we only played four games against teams more than one off the expected seed line. Coincidence or not, we've gone further in the tournaments when we haven't played the best teams potentially in our path.

    In fact, in our five championships, we only played against two #1 seeds (in theory, we could have played as many as eleven #1 seeds in those five tournaments), and the only championship run during which we played the overall #1 seed was 1991 vs. UNLV.

    To my knowledge K has never complained about beating subpar competition, winning situationally, or not getting the opportunity to beat the best during or after any of his Final Four runs. (At least not publicly.) Obviously, you play who's in front of you. It probably helps when they're not the best.
    Those are great stats. And I always respect your posts. But none of that contradicts what I said. I don't think K shies away from top tier competition. Intelligent minds can disagree, though I have never gotten the sense that he relishes lower level opposition.

  20. #2960
    Not sure if Iím the only one, but would love for this thread to get back to recruiting. 😃

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