Jack White Can Shoot

[Duke79UNLV77]

Bolden’s stats are eye-opening, too. 74 for 80 free throws for a guy who shot 59% last year. It seems he could shoot some jumpers, too.

I haven’t seen a lot of handles from White, but he’s a very fundamentally sound defensive rebounder, and if he can be a dangerous spot-up shooter from 3, he’ll be a solid rotation player.

Have we seen stats from this drill in prior years? I wonder how many Billy King made?

[Spanarkel]

The stats show Javin hitting 34% from 2 and 47% from 3: very interesting.

[OldPhiKap]

Whiskey wins every time. No one beats Whiskey.

"Women without whiskey . . .
whiskey's hard to beat."

-- DBT

[kAzE]

Name	FT	2s	3s
Joey Baker	67/80	120/140	209/280
RJ Barret	64/80	90/140	156/280
Marques Bolden	74/80	93/140	154/280
Javin Delaurier	55/80	48/140	132/280
Jordan Goldwire	51/80	88/120	158/280
Tre Jones	69/80	61/70	95/140
Alex O'Connel	72/80	100/140	170/280
Cam Reddish	74/80	118/140	192/280
Jack White	77/80	118/140	233/280
Zion Williamson	???	???	187/280

Zion is total is 333/500, which means that he shot 146 / 220 combined 2s and FTs.

I know it's just a practice session, but I would never have guessed that Zion could comfortably top Alex O'Connell in 3 point shooting in any situation . . .

In fact, going by that chart, Zion was the 4th best 3 point shooter. (also, if Joey Baker is really going to redshirt, that would make Zion the 3rd best on the active roster)

What is going on here?? If this is for real, even if he's only really effective as a catch and shoot guy, Zion is a much more interesting player than I thought.

[flyingdutchdevil]

I know it's just a practice session, but I would never have guessed that Zion could comfortably top Alex O'Connell in 3 point shooting in any situation . . .

In fact, going by that chart, Zion was the 4th best 3 point shooter. (also, if Joey Baker is really going to redshirt, that would make Zion the 3rd best on the active roster)

What is going on here?? If this is for real, even if he's only really effective as a catch and shoot guy, Zion is a much more interesting player than I thought.

I assume these numbers represent the best these players hit on a given day moreso than the summer average? In theory, the pecking order of shooters would follow this chart, but I'm not so sure. Zion could have gotten really, really hot one day. Or maybe AOC is focusing more on strength training than getting shots up. Or it may mean - as you theorized - Zion is a much better shooter than we thought.

Personally, my pecking order of shooters is as follows, all based on historical productivity at Duke and high school reputation:
-Cam Reddish
-AOC
-Jack White
-Tre
-RJ
-Zion
-Big men

I'm sure I'll be wrong somewhere.

[jimsumner]

Bolden’s stats are eye-opening, too. 74 for 80 free throws for a guy who shot 59% last year. It seems he could shoot some jumpers, too.

I haven’t seen a lot of handles from White, but he’s a very fundamentally sound defensive rebounder, and if he can be a dangerous spot-up shooter from 3, he’ll be a solid rotation player.

Have we seen stats from this drill in prior years? I wonder how many Billy King made?

Yea, but nobody was guarding Bolden on the free throws in practice!!

Oh, wait.

Never mind.

[devildeac]

Yea, but nobody was guarding Bolden on the free throws in practice!!

Oh, wait.

Never mind.

Might be a loooong year if we can't/don't/won't improve our FT defense.

[NSDukeFan]

Might be a loooong year if we can't/don't/won't improve our FT defense.

I feel like some teams just refuse to work on their free throw defense. I don’t know if that’s on the coaches or if some players just can’t be reached.

[jimsumner]

I feel like some teams just refuse to work on their free throw defense. I don’t know if that’s on the coaches or if some players just can’t be reached.

I've long maintained that Duke needs to play more zone in that situation.

[UrinalCake]

Did they just walk up to the stripe and shoot 80 free throws in a row? Because that is a very different skill than shooting two at a time in between game action. Once you get into a rhythm then you’re just repeating the same motion. I did see in one of the DukeMBB videos that the shooting still had them shooting five or ten shots from various spots on the court, so at least they’re moving around some. But still, this type of drill is nowhere near the same as shooting one shot every few minutes.

Strongly disagree with the notion that a player should stop shooting if he misses his first couple shots, based on the notion that he is “cold.” First off, there’s no way to know that he’s cold until after the game when you look back. And secondly, there are plenty of examples of guys starting off cold and then heating up. Scheyer in the 2010 ACCT Final is a perfect example - started out 0-8 or 0-9 from three but then nailed the game winner in the final minute. If he had decided to stop shooting then he never puts that game away.

[Steven43]

...some of us wouldn't have minded seeing some earlier minutes by Jack and AOC - in case, you know, Grayson and Gary went cold in a big NCAA game...

Still too soon, HBCK. Still too soon.

[Newton_14]

I assume these numbers represent the best these players hit on a given day moreso than the summer average? In theory, the pecking order of shooters would follow this chart, but I'm not so sure. Zion could have gotten really, really hot one day. Or maybe AOC is focusing more on strength training than getting shots up. Or it may mean - as you theorized - Zion is a much better shooter than we thought.

Personally, my pecking order of shooters is as follows, all based on historical productivity at Duke and high school reputation:
-Cam Reddish
-AOC
-Jack White
-Tre
-RJ
-Zion
-Big men

I'm sure I'll be wrong somewhere.

Zion can shoot. Many people are going to be pleasantly surprised at how good... Foul line and jumpers 2's and 3's...

[OldPhiKap]

“Zion train is coming our way”

— Bob Marley

[Troublemaker]

Zion can shoot. Many people are going to be pleasantly surprised at how good... Foul line and jumpers 2's and 3's...

I hope so my friend. I wrote several weeks ago that it would be surprising to see Coach K coach two consecutive teams that can't consistently stretch the floor with multiple shooters. Last season was good (Duke was the #3 kenpom team and came within a rimout of the Final Four) but it was un-Duke-like in many ways in terms of style of play. I'm hoping this upcoming team will be more recognizably Duke -- multiple good shooters, versatile 6'6" - 6'9" wings, ball pressure (Tre Jones) in a man-to-man defense.

[cato]

“Zion train is coming our way”

— Bob Marley

I must admit I have been humming this to myself quite a bit

[flyingdutchdevil]

“Zion train is coming our way”

— Pre November 6: AOC. Post November 6: Every single opponent

Changed it for you.

[NSDukeFan]

I hope so my friend. I wrote several weeks ago that it would be surprising to see Coach K coach two consecutive teams that can't consistently stretch the floor with multiple shooters. Last season was good (Duke was the #3 kenpom team and came within a rimout of the Final Four) but it was un-Duke-like in many ways in terms of style of play. I'm hoping this upcoming team will be more recognizably Duke -- multiple good shooters, versatile 6'6" - 6'9" wings, ball pressure (Tre Jones) in a man-to-man defense.

I feel like ball pressure, generating turnovers creating fast break opportunities seem to be what every Duke team wants to do in the preseason but that doesn’t necessarily translate to the post-Christmas exam period. Neither does using the team’s depth tend to last very long.

[budwom]

I feel like ball pressure, generating turnovers creating fast break opportunities seem to be what every Duke team wants to do in the preseason but that doesn’t necessarily translate to the post-Christmas exam period. Neither does using the team’s depth tend to last very long.

Yeah, I'm not sure where the shooters are going to come from, but anything could happen. Regarding the fast break, I think we ran that poorly last year, am desirous that Jones will be an improvement there.
So many attributes and question marks on this team, I won't even begin to guess how it plays out. But for sure we'll play 9-10 guys, we all know that!

[CDu]

I hope so my friend. I wrote several weeks ago that it would be surprising to see Coach K coach two consecutive teams that can't consistently stretch the floor with multiple shooters. Last season was good (Duke was the #3 kenpom team and came within a rimout of the Final Four) but it was un-Duke-like in many ways in terms of style of play. I'm hoping this upcoming team will be more recognizably Duke -- multiple good shooters, versatile 6'6" - 6'9" wings, ball pressure (Tre Jones) in a man-to-man defense.

We have lots of 6'6"-6'9" guys, but I think it remains to be seen how many of them are good shooters. Barrett is known as a question mark as a shooter. Tre Jones as well. None of the guys (aside from maybe Baker, and he might redshirt) are considered knockdown shooters. There is a real possibility that this is a not very good shooting team. It's possible that several guys surprise and step up as shooters, too. But I think we should probably consider the possibility that we'll struggle with the jumpshots this year.

[lmb]

“Zion train is coming our way”

— Bob Marley

Here's another:

"Now the joy of my world is in Zion"
- Lauryn Hill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAY06SYDjH0