Jack White Can Shoot

[SilkyJ]

Per the video in the Lebron Jr article on the front page (video link here).

Go to about the 3:36 mark. They have the shooting stats up on a board. Jack holds the single day record so far in FTs (40/40) 3s (124/140!) and total shooting (217/240). I'm assuming these stats are during drills in summer workouts.

The screen on the left is a bit blocked, but he seems to be shooting about 85% overall during this summer. Now these are likely during drills and unguarded, but still. Clearly he has a shooting stroke and he has good size and athleticism...could this be a case of the next Horvath-esque summer rumors or can he actually make an impact this year? He could make for a nice stretch forward this year, which is something we are lacking...

[kAzE]

Oh my God, I saw this video and came here to post this exact same thing!

Except, I was going to put in the pie bet thread, because I made a bet on jack white’s minutes

Also, was that LeBron James Jr among those kids, or are my eyes playing tricks on me? We might be interested in his services in a few years.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

....some of us wouldn't have minded seeing some earlier minutes by Jack and AOC - in case, you know, Grayson and Gary went cold in a big NCAA game....

[richardjackson199]

Oh my God, I saw this video and came here to post this exact same thing!

Except, I was going to put in the pie bet thread, because I made a bet on jack white’s minutes

Also, was that LeBron James Jr among those kids, or are my eyes playing tricks on me? We might be interested in his services in a few years.

So I bet a pie that Joey Baker gets more minutes than Jack this year, and Jack starts shooting 85% and 100% from the FT line. You're welcome Jack.

It's a gift.



If this shooting (and pie) pans out - great call Kaze. But it's a long season, so we'll see.

If Jack turns out to be a more athletic Steph Curry, that can only be great for this Duke team and will be worth (another) pie. So I'll pump the brakes on that and believe it when I see it. Ultimately I always want what's best for Duke.

smh

[JasonEvans]

So I bet a pie that Joey Baker gets more minutes than Jack...

I’ve been hearing that Baker is likely to redshirt. So, ummm, I’d rate you a long shot in this bet.

[BD80]

I’ve been hearing that Baker is likely to redshirt. So, ummm, I’d rate you a long shot in this bet.

Well, he's half the player Zion is - well 2/3. That is darn close to a literal statement.

His skills are somewhat redundant on the roster filled with 6'7" players. A year of maturation, eating and lifting would really help him.

[Kedsy]

...some of us wouldn't have minded seeing some earlier minutes by Jack and AOC - in case, you know, Grayson and Gary went cold in a big NCAA game...

You are assuming that if NBA-bound Grayson Allen and Gary Trent went cold in a big NCAA game that Coach K (or any coach, really) would bench them in favor of the likes of Jack White (2017-18 version, adjusted for "earlier minutes"). That assumption has little (if any) basis in reality.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

You are assuming that if NBA-bound Grayson Allen and Gary Trent went cold in a big NCAA game that Coach K (or any coach, really) would bench them in favor of the likes of Jack White (2017-18 version, adjusted for "earlier minutes"). That assumption has little (if any) basis in reality.

Actually, that's NOT my assumption...my assumption is the opposite...which is what happened. Attitude? Reading?

You know, Grayson came in as a little used freshman in a pretty significant game against Wisconsin if I recall...

[chrishoke]

big difference in hitting threes in practice with no defense and hitting them in games.

[OldPhiKap]

big difference in hitting threes in practice with no defense and hitting them in games.

True. All judgment should be deferred until the Blue-White game.

[richardjackson199]

I’ve been hearing that Baker is likely to redshirt. So, ummm, I’d rate you a long shot in this bet.

I should probably stop making pie bets. The next time I get that urge I guess I'll just spring for an ESPN+ subscription instead.

[Kedsy]

Attitude? Reading?

Sorry if I misunderstood you, but if the phrase "earlier minutes" has an obvious definition in the context of your sentence, then I guess it passed me by. I thought you meant "minutes earlier in the season." Did you instead mean, "minutes earlier in the game"? If so, I can't imagine how that could have cured a shooting slump by Grayson and Gary later in the game. If it's not either of those, then I have no idea what you meant, but my guess is neither would a lot of other people. Either way, the fact that the phrase had at least two possible meanings suggests that rather than a reading comprehension problem on my part, the "attitude" in question is yours.

[UrinalCake]

If you’re really hurting for some summer video, here’s a clip of Jack and Cam playing HORSE, filmed by Zion. It’s mostly just them messing around. Jack has always had a pretty good looking stroke, but hitting them in games with a defender on you is of course a much different story. When he’s on the court, his role is to provide energy and hustle, not really to score, and he’s proven to be a pretty good rebounder too. Love what he brings to the team and I hope he can earn some more minutes. Last year he had a nice stretch where he exploded I think against Wake, and then he started the next game, but was eventually relegated again to mop up duty.

https://youtu.be/16U2ZzH0AOg

[Rich]

If you’re really hurting for some summer video, here’s a clip of Jack and Cam playing HORSE, filmed by Zion. It’s mostly just them messing around. Jack has always had a pretty good looking stroke, but hitting them in games with a defender on you is of course a much different story. When he’s on the court, his role is to provide energy and hustle, not really to score, and he’s proven to be a pretty good rebounder too. Love what he brings to the team and I hope he can earn some more minutes. Last year he had a nice stretch where he exploded I think against Wake, and then he started the next game, but was eventually relegated again to mop up duty.

https://youtu.be/16U2ZzH0AOg

When will people learn to take video from their phone in landscape mode? I'm sure it's a nice fun diversion, but I can't even bear to watch the video.

[proelitedota]

RJ's shooting stats is nearly identical to Bolden's. ��

[proelitedota]

Name	FT	2s	3s
Joey Baker	67/80	120/140	209/280
RJ Barret	64/80	90/140	156/280
Marques Bolden	74/80	93/140	154/280
Javin Delaurier	55/80	48/140	132/280
Jordan Goldwire	51/80	88/120	158/280
Tre Jones	69/80	61/70	95/140
Alex O'Connel	72/80	100/140	170/280
Cam Reddish	74/80	118/140	192/280
Jack White	77/80	118/140	233/280
Zion Williamson	???	???	187/280

Zion is total is 333/500, which means that he shot 146 / 220 combined 2s and FTs.

[CDu]

RJ's shooting stats is nearly identical to Bolden's. ��

Barrett is by no means considered a great shooter.

[drummerdevil]

Name	FT	2s	3s
Joey Baker	67/80	120/140	209/280
RJ Barret	64/80	90/140	156/280
Marques Bolden	74/80	93/140	154/280
Javin Delaurier	55/80	48/140	132/280
Jordan Goldwire	51/80	88/120	158/280
Tre Jones	69/80	61/70	95/140
Alex O'Connel	72/80	100/140	170/280
Cam Reddish	74/80	118/140	192/280
Jack White	77/80	118/140	233/280
Zion Williamson	???	???	187/280

Zion is total is 333/500, which means that he shot 146 / 220 combined 2s and FTs.

Why did Tre shoot so many fewer shots than anyone else, and has Goldwire always been a poor free throw shooter?

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Sorry if I misunderstood you, but if the phrase "earlier minutes" has an obvious definition in the context of your sentence, then I guess it passed me by. I thought you meant "minutes earlier in the season." Did you instead mean, "minutes earlier in the game"? If so, I can't imagine how that could have cured a shooting slump by Grayson and Gary later in the game. If it's not either of those, then I have no idea what you meant, but my guess is neither would a lot of other people. Either way, the fact that the phrase had at least two possible meanings suggests that rather than a reading comprehension problem on my part, the "attitude" in question is yours.

Well, you got half of it right...I did mean earlier minutes in the season, but - my assumption was that K would not do that, not that he would ever do that. Sorry if I was not clear. I'll call 'my bad' on that. We were ironically making the same point, just in totally different ways.

Here's my take on 3 point shooting, in general, not specific to Duke or to any coach or team or player:
That it's always good to have relief pitchers so to speak to bring off the bench if the starters are having a rough go of it shooting. Shooters are by nature streaky, and if the two starters are on a cold streak, perhaps the guys off the bench are having a good day, or would have a good day. Some time a sub coming in and hitting a single 3 can settle down the whole team. You never know...

In that particular game, Grayson and Gary were a combined 21%...roughly half what we could reasonably expect. It was clear they were not confident. I think there's always the chance that a good shooter off the bench just might be hot... having a good day...we'll never know of course.

This analogy is not perfect, but Grayson versus Wisky was given the chance somewhat owing to foul trouble. He came off the bench - and as it turned out, was having a hot day, and he saved that Title game for Duke. His minutes late in the season...versus Mich State in the semis and his blow up against Wake late in the regular season...no doubt contributed to him being ready and able.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Well, you got half of it right...I did mean earlier minutes in the season, but - my assumption was that K would not do that, not that he would ever do that. Sorry if I was not clear. I'll call 'my bad' on that. We were ironically making the same point, just in totally different ways.

Here's my take on 3 point shooting, in general, not specific to Duke or to any coach or team or player:
That it's always good to have relief pitchers so to speak to bring off the bench if the starters are having a rough go of it shooting. Shooters are by nature streaky, and if the two starters are on a cold streak, perhaps the guys off the bench are having a good day, or would have a good day. Some time a sub coming in and hitting a single 3 can settle down the whole team. You never know...

In that particular game, Grayson and Gary were a combined 21%...roughly half what we could reasonably expect. It was clear they were not confident. I think there's always the chance that a good shooter off the bench just might be hot... having a good day...we'll never know of course.

This analogy is not perfect, but Grayson versus Wisky was given the chance somewhat owing to foul trouble. He came off the bench - and as it turned out, was having a hot day, and he saved that Title game for Duke. His minutes late in the season...versus Mich State in the semis and his blow up against Wake late in the regular season...no doubt contributed to him being ready and able.

Whiskey wins every time. No one beats Whiskey.