One and Done going away, what will Duke (and KY) do?

[Wahoo2000]

Nothing super-new here, but it looks like one-and-done will almost certainly be done by 2021.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e04f12d85230

And this next bit might deserve it's own thread, but I'll just post here anyway-
It will be interesting to see how Duke and KY prepare for the following seasons. Will they just continue to load up on the one and done guys as much as possible, or will they try to incorporate more top 20-60ish guys over the next couple of seasons so they're not rolling out a roster full of guys who are BOTH inexperienced and not lottery-level-talent for the 21-22 season? I imagine that's especially difficult to forecast in Duke's case as there's probably a good chance K has retired by then.

[UrinalCake]

We do what we’ve always done - go after the best available players that fit the Duke system as players and as students. This will include some guys that may end up being one year guys, as well as more multi year players. I imagine Kentucky will do the same, though it wouldn’t shock me if this pushes Pitino to accept an NBA position.

If you’re asking just about the 2019 and 2020 classes, we’ve identified several OAD level guys that were recruiting for 2019, but some lower level guys too. So I think we’ll see a shift which may also coincide with K’s eventual exit plan.

[Kedsy]

I imagine Kentucky will do the same, though it wouldn’t shock me if this pushes Pitino to accept an NBA position.

Rick Pitino is more or less unemployable. You mean Calipari?

[UrinalCake]

Rick Pitino is more or less unemployable. You mean Calipari?

Wow. Apparent I had a recent frontal lobotomy that led me to believe Pitino was still their coach. Sorry for the slip up.

[ChillinDuke]

Wow. Apparent I had a recent frontal lobotomy that led me to believe Pitino was still their coach. Sorry for the slip up.

Ha! Given the context, that's a pretty big lobotomy you had there!

- Chillin

[OldPhiKap]

K will continue to excel at recruiting until he decides to hang it up. No worries, and frankly I would applaud the death of the 1-n-done era.

[jacone21]

I was thinking this morning about this. I think for recruiting powerhouses like Duke, recruiting the one and done era is actually easier. You go after the best guys. Period.

Recruiting in the "maybe one and done, maybe zero and done, maybe more and done" era has to be more difficult and frustrating. Sure... they did it before, but that was when just a handful of guys even considered going straight from high school to the NBA. Now, 47 guys a year will likely attempt to make the jump. Where do you focus your recruiting efforts when most or all of the good players will go zero and done or test the proverbial waters? What if we had 4 Shaun Livingston situations in one year? That would result in a late, mad scramble to field a team, with cascading effects. Yuck.

I'm very happy to see the guys who want to go pro be able to go pro. That's how it should be. But I would hate to be a recruiter in the next version of that environment.

[UrinalCake]

Recruiting in the "maybe one and done, maybe zero and done, maybe more and done" era has to be more difficult and frustrating... What if we had 4 Shaun Livingston situations in one year?

Will definitely be more difficult for the reason you stated. And moreso if the rule is adopted to allow players to test the waters and then return to school. Then imagine if they allow incoming freshmen to do this (which would make sense). Coaches wouldn’t know until after the draft what their incoming class or returning roster would be. There would be a mad scramble for grad transfers in July. And if the NCAA amends the transfer rules to allow a one time immediate eligibility without sitting out a year, then we’ll essentially have an entire recruitment cycle happening between July and August as coaches try to fill their rosters with transfer students to replace the players that left.

[Billy Dat]

Just because high school kids will be able to go pro, that doesn't mean the "one and done" era is over. Something tells me that great freshmen will still declare for the NBA draft after one year. You still need pro talent to win NCAA titles.

[Acymetric]

Will definitely be more difficult for the reason you stated. And moreso if the rule is adopted to allow players to test the waters and then return to school. Then imagine if they allow incoming freshmen to do this (which would make sense). Coaches wouldn’t know until after the draft what their incoming class or returning roster would be. There would be a mad scramble for grad transfers in July. And if the NCAA amends the transfer rules to allow a one time immediate eligibility without sitting out a year, then we’ll essentially have an entire recruitment cycle happening between July and August as coaches try to fill their rosters with transfer students to replace the players that left.

This is why I don't think allowing players who go undrafted (either out of high school or after 1+ years of college) to retain NCAA eligibility is a viable option. The draft just happens way to late to have that much up in the air for so many teams. You declare and don't pull out by whatever deadline (probably in April, May at the latest), you lose NCAA eligibility. I think that is tough, as many major decisions are, but not horribly unreasonable. A middle ground, I suppose, would be that a player who does not withdraw and then goes undrafted could retain eligibility, but would have to sit out a year like a transfer or something (that is not a solid, fully fleshed out solution, just a suggestion of the direction you would need to go to consider allowing undrafted players to return).

[jacone21]

This is why I don't think allowing players who go undrafted (either out of high school or after 1+ years of college) to retain NCAA eligibility is a viable option. The draft just happens way to late to have that much up in the air for so many teams. You declare and don't pull out by whatever deadline (probably in April, May at the latest), you lose NCAA eligibility. I think that is tough, as many major decisions are, but not horribly unreasonable. A middle ground, I suppose, would be that a player who does not withdraw and then goes undrafted could retain eligibility, but would have to sit out a year like a transfer or something (that is not a solid, fully fleshed out solution, just a suggestion of the direction you would need to go to consider allowing undrafted players to return).

Maybe we let everyone stay eligible and have an NCAA lottery and then a draft the week following the NBA draft. Dispense with recruiting altogether. With the first pick in the 2023 NCAA Draft, the Wofford Terriers select... Bronny James.

We have a trade to announce. The Georgia State Panthers have traded 4th pick, Buckets Williamson to the Tulane Green Wave for 7th pick, Shooter Davis, along
with redshirt freshman quarterback, Ace Gunner, Jr.

Jay Bilas: "Ace Gunner Jr. has a 7' 2" wingspan. That's ridiculous for a quarterback."

Okay. Maybe that's a bad idea.

[NSDukeFan]

Maybe we let everyone stay eligible and have an NCAA lottery and then a draft the week following the NBA draft. Dispense with recruiting altogether. With the first pick in the 2023 NCAA Draft, the Wofford Terriers select... Bronny James.

We have a trade to announce. The Georgia State Panthers have traded 4th pick, Buckets Williamson to the Tulane Green Wave for 7th pick, Shooter Davis, along
with redshirt freshman quarterback, Ace Gunner, Jr.

Jay Bilas: "Ace Gunner Jr. has a 7' 2" wingspan. That's ridiculous for a quarterback."

Okay. Maybe that's a bad idea.

You’re right. I don’t think Jay should be discussing football. I’m sure he would have strong opinions, but they would likely be less reasonable than his basketball ones.

[JasonEvans]

Maybe we let everyone stay eligible and have an NCAA lottery and then a draft the week following the NBA draft. Dispense with recruiting altogether. With the first pick in the 2023 NCAA Draft, the Wofford Terriers select... Bronny James.

We have a trade to announce. The Georgia State Panthers have traded 4th pick, Buckets Williamson to the Tulane Green Wave for 7th pick, Shooter Davis, along
with redshirt freshman quarterback, Ace Gunner, Jr.

Jay Bilas: "Ace Gunner Jr. has a 7' 2" wingspan. That's ridiculous for a quarterback."

Okay. Maybe that's a bad idea.

Cute, but I suspect it would be more like this:

"The Wofford Terriers announce they have traded the first pick in the 2023 NCAA Draft to the Kentucky Wildcats for the 232nd pick plus cash considerations... lots of cash considerations."

[CameronBornAndBred]

Zion is this lady's poster boy for getting rid of OAD yesterday.

Zion Williamson doesn’t belong in college.

With every game he plays, every opponent he dismantles, every did-you-see-THAT highlight he produces, the Duke freshman shows why the NBA needs to scrap its ridiculous “one-and-done” rule. Three games into his college career, it’s clear Williamson is more ready for the NBA than some of the guys already there.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...nRH?li=BBnbfcL

[jimsumner]

Zion is this lady's poster boy for getting rid of OAD yesterday.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...nRH?li=BBnbfcL

"Some?"

[kmspeaks]

This is why I don't think allowing players who go undrafted (either out of high school or after 1+ years of college) to retain NCAA eligibility is a viable option. The draft just happens way to late to have that much up in the air for so many teams. You declare and don't pull out by whatever deadline (probably in April, May at the latest), you lose NCAA eligibility. I think that is tough, as many major decisions are, but not horribly unreasonable. A middle ground, I suppose, would be that a player who does not withdraw and then goes undrafted could retain eligibility, but would have to sit out a year like a transfer or something (that is not a solid, fully fleshed out solution, just a suggestion of the direction you would need to go to consider allowing undrafted players to return).

I don't know, baseball makes it work. I believe the deadline for MLB draft picks to sign was a couple days ago.

[azzefkram]

I don't know, baseball makes it work. I believe the deadline for MLB draft picks to sign was a couple days ago.

Baseball has a none or 3 rule plus larger roster sizes. You only have to worry about a few of your incoming freshmen.

[SoCalDukeFan]

I was thinking this morning about this. I think for recruiting powerhouses like Duke, recruiting the one and done era is actually easier. You go after the best guys. Period.

Recruiting in the "maybe one and done, maybe zero and done, maybe more and done" era has to be more difficult and frustrating. Sure... they did it before, but that was when just a handful of guys even considered going straight from high school to the NBA. Now, 47 guys a year will likely attempt to make the jump. Where do you focus your recruiting efforts when most or all of the good players will go zero and done or test the proverbial waters? What if we had 4 Shaun Livingston situations in one year? That would result in a late, mad scramble to field a team, with cascading effects. Yuck.

I'm very happy to see the guys who want to go pro be able to go pro. That's how it should be. But I would hate to be a recruiter in the next version of that environment.

Finding players good enough to play for Duke and meet the other tests of character and academics and also not good enough to go straight to the NBA will be a real challenge. And then you gotta outrecruit every other school for these guys.

Still will be very happy when one and done is done.

SoCal

[flyingdutchdevil]

K will continue to excel at recruiting until he decides to hang it up. No worries, and frankly I would applaud the death of the 1-n-done era.

Moi aussi. I've had fun watching the Irvings, Parkers, Winslows, and Duvals, but it's just sad what's happening now with 2nd round picks/undrafted players leaving after 1 year.

[JasonEvans]

I imagine that's especially difficult to forecast in Duke's case as there's probably a good chance K has retired by then.

So I think we’ll see a shift which may also coincide with K’s eventual exit plan.

Don't want us to get sidetracked by a whole debate about K's future, but he has made it fairly clear in recent interviews that he does not have any idea when he will retire and he doubts it will be any time soon. That said, he is 71 and one has to think he has less than a decade left at Duke.