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    The Wilpons are in discussions to sell their controlling majority share to a hedge fund manager, Steve Cohen.

    only in New York, with James Dolan, are the Wilpons not the worst team owners in the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DU82 View Post
    The Wilpons are in discussions to sell their controlling majority share to a hedge fund manager, Steve Cohen.

    only in New York, with James Dolan, are the Wilpons not the worst team owners in the city.
    As a Mets fan from the Polo Grounds days (first years), I am now convinced that there IS a God.

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    Speaking of the Mets, Zack Wheeler to the Phils for 5yrs / $118MM.

    Hamels to the Braves for 1 year / $18MM. (I think this is a really nice pickup).
    Demented and sad, but social, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    Hamels to the Braves for 1 year / $18MM. (I think this is a really nice pickup).
    I hope you are right. My initial thought on this was I was hoping they would use any remaining money to make an attempt to resign Donaldson but maybe this is an indication the Braves knew he was be asking for more than they are willing to pay.
    "The future ain't what it used to be."

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    According to the Hall website, Marvin Miller and Ted Simmons have been selected by the Modern Era committee.

    (I think somebody put the names up before any announcements.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DU82 View Post
    According to the Hall website, Marvin Miller and Ted Simmons have been selected by the Modern Era committee.

    (I think somebody put the names up before any announcements.)
    Miller obviously belongs in. I really can't understand how Lou Whitaker keeps coming up short - more deserving than his teammates this committee previously selected, and the most deserving of the players on this ballot, and he wasn't even near the top of the voting. I just don't get it.
    Demented and sad, but social, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    Miller obviously belongs in. I really can't understand how Lou Whitaker keeps coming up short - more deserving than his teammates this committee previously selected, and the most deserving of the players on this ballot, and he wasn't even near the top of the voting. I just don't get it.
    I'm sad about this. Sweet Lou Whitaker deserves better, heck, he deserves the best. That would be an induction I would consider attending. Sighhhh...
    Nothing incites bodily violence quicker than a Duke fan turning in your direction and saying 'scoreboard.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by DU82 View Post
    According to the Hall website, Marvin Miller and Ted Simmons have been selected by the Modern Era committee.

    (I think somebody put the names up before any announcements.)
    Miller should be in. But otherwise these "Modern Era Committees" do not make sense to me. Simmons had plenty of chances to get elected, but it didn't happen. What has changed, other than perhaps the softening of the criteria, which is a huge slippery slope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyNotCrazie View Post
    Miller should be in. But otherwise these "Modern Era Committees" do not make sense to me. Simmons had plenty of chances to get elected, but it didn't happen. What has changed, other than perhaps the softening of the criteria, which is a huge slippery slope.
    A better understanding of offense and defense. A good/great hitter isnít based on things like RBIs, which are very situational. On-base percentage is more important than batting average. Itís why, for instance, Dwight Evans, in many eyes, is now considered a better player than His teammate Jim Rice. Wasnít as flashy or have the counting stats that Rice did, but he did more to help his team win.

    That, and the writers donít know everything, and make mistakes.

    I could make an argument for each one of the nominees although I wouldnít have voted for all of them. Each one was a better player than others already in. Thatís not a specific reason to vote someone in, but itís a starting criteria. Simmons doesnít lower the general standards. (He isnít well outside those standards as Harold Baines was last year.)

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    Strasburg back to the Nats for 7 years and $245 million. That is not a typo. He is 31 years old and has been prone to injury at times. I think they way overpayed, especially when you consider they effectively ended any chance of resigning Rendon with this move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUKIECB View Post
    Strasburg back to the Nats for 7 years and $245 million. That is not a typo. He is 31 years old and has been prone to injury at times. I think they way overpayed, especially when you consider they effectively ended any chance of resigning Rendon with this move.
    I agree. May look good for a couple of years, but will be bad on the back end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUKIECB View Post
    Strasburg back to the Nats for 7 years and $245 million. That is not a typo. He is 31 years old and has been prone to injury at times. I think they way overpayed, especially when you consider they effectively ended any chance of resigning Rendon with this move.
    I think they can still afford Rendon. According to this site they are $35 M away from the $208m competitive balance tax threshold. They could use that for Rendon and then would need to go cheap at 2B (likely call up Carter Keiboom) and also cheap on the bullpen (like they always do) but it can be done. They also were below the tax level this year, so if they want to go over a bit to pay Zim and Hudson the penalties on that wonít be too harsh. The Lerners are one of the wealthiest ownership groups in MLB, have just won a $100m settlement (though being appealed) with their TV deal, and could also sell the naming rights to the stadium. Itís always easy for fans to spend the ownerís money but I see a path here.

    Quote Originally Posted by accfanfrom1970 View Post
    I agree. May look good for a couple of years, but will be bad on the back end.
    Probably. But their window is now. They have 2 years left on Maxís deal, 5 years left on Corbyn, and donít have to pay Turner FA $ for 3 more years, and Soto and Robles for 5 years. If they have to overpay in 2024-2027 to give themselves more chances to win the WS with this core I think thatís the right bet to make. Plus, Stras has plus command of 4 pitches - heís not as power dominant as he once was, so there is a chance he could age well provided he stays healthy (which is a huge IF with him admittedly). As you can see Iíve already talked myself into this. Bring on more kool aid!

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    The Ranger has buckets of cash that they are aiming at Rendon, plus a groovy new stadium and the family proximity.

    The Yankee wants Cole, right? SS is a very nice man and was the hero of the WS but Cole any day, all day.
    Nothing incites bodily violence quicker than a Duke fan turning in your direction and saying 'scoreboard.'

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    Strasmas

    Quote Originally Posted by accfanfrom1970 View Post
    I agree. May look good for a couple of years, but will be bad on the back end.
    Maybe not, according to Fangraphs. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-nati...rasburg-leave/

    While I wish the Nats could also get Rendon, and agree that in some sense he is less of a risk than a pitcher, Strasburg would be harder to replace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUKIECB View Post
    Strasburg back to the Nats for 7 years and $245 million. That is not a typo. He is 31 years old and has been prone to injury at times. I think they way overpayed, especially when you consider they effectively ended any chance of resigning Rendon with this move.

    Strasburg is a horse. He could play a long time. What's not clear is the degree of deferment of compensation -- the cost to the Nats could be less than it appears to be.
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    Well

    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Strasburg is a horse. He could play a long time. What's not clear is the degree of deferment of compensation -- the cost to the Nats could be less than it appears to be.
    From what I've read, everything is paid within three years after he stops playing. Also, the deferred amounts bear some amount of interest. I think I read the AAV is 31 or 32M, taking into account the deferrals.

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    Gerritt Cole didn't get a ring, but he sure got paid - 9 yrs / $324MM to put on the pinstripes.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...year-324m-deal

    Scott Boras (Strasburg, Cole, Moustakas) isn't doing too poorly this fall.
    Demented and sad, but social, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    Gerritt Cole didn't get a ring, but he sure got paid - 9 yrs / $324MM to put on the pinstripes.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...year-324m-deal

    Scott Boras (Strasburg, Cole, Moustakas) isn't doing too poorly this fall.
    $36 million a year for 9 years to throw a baseball. Good grief. I hate the Yankees.
    "The future ain't what it used to be."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUKIECB View Post
    $36 million a year for 9 years to throw a baseball. Good grief. I hate the Yankees.
    I'm a lifelong Yankees fan going back to the Steinbrenner years and I am not happy about this either. I am glad to have him on the team but this salaries are ridiculous. I am guessing they paid a 10-15% premium (which in this case is a lot of money) because they were bidding against themselves and got snookered by Boras. It sounds like they had to pay a bit extra because his natural inclination was to go to CA and those teams were also willing to pay up, but this is craziness. Nine years for a pitcher is way too much.

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